My wife has seen the light

[johnf]

She's a life-long democrat and last night these words came out of her mouth.

"The democratic party doesn't stand for what it did when my mom and dad were young. They're the socialist party now and the Republicans are more like the democrats were 40 years ago."

Wooo hoo, she finally gets it.

[stevebeilgard]

and she's right. i sure wish there was a conservative party... the republicans have left their base, just as the liberal dems have thrown away moderates, like lieberman.

[johnf]

She told me tonight that her parents who are 83 and 84 and have never voted for a single republican mailed their early voter cards today and have broken with tradition and both of them voted McCain. When I asked my FIL why he said "Obama is too inexperienced to be president and never should have made it this far".

If they are voting Republican I think the chances of an Obama win just went way down.

[slugshooter]

You may have a point there John. The majority of voters are still those who are older Americans. Many of the people who are out shouting for Obama, have never voted, and probably still won't vote. Joining a large crowd makes people feel like they are a part of something. I know people my age (early 30's) who still have never voted in their life.

[Jorden]

You may have a point there John. The majority of voters are still those who are older Americans...

My friends and I were actually having this conversation the other night. Obama appeals to the younger generations, people in their 20's and 30's but a majority of older Americans probably relate more with McCain. That is the reason that so many polls show Obama with such a large lead because a majority of people taking those polls are probably in their 20s and 30s. There is still hope for McCain yet.

[Jorden]

You may have a point there John. The majority of voters are still those who are older Americans...

My friends and I were actually having this conversation the other night. Obama appeals to the younger generations, people in their 20s and 30s. You have to figure that a majority of older americans identify with McCain. That is why you see Obama ahead in a lot of the polls because a majority of people who take those polls are probably in their 20s and 30s. There is still some hope for McCain yet;)

[JJL]

My wife has been bashing me because I'm voting for Alan Keyes ( the only true Conservative on the ballot). After watching the debate the other evening she never said a word, she walked over- grabbed the laptop- fired up the internet- and then asked....." How do you spell KEYES ?"

[oldksnarc]

I have always said I would vote for a black man, a woman, or a black woman - IF it were the right person.

I've read most of what Keyes has said and have to agree with most of what he says. In normal times if it were between McCain and Keyes I would vote for Keyes because of McCain's moderate stand on a number of issues.

My problem with voting for Keyes at this point is that every vote to an independent is a vote for Obama because it will take away from the popular votes that will decide whether Obama or McCain wins the popular vote - and we don't need and can't afford Obama as President.

I can only hope the Electoral College goes the Right way. But, then, I believe that will cause riots.

[johnf]

My wife has been bashing me because I'm voting for Alan Keyes ( the only true Conservative on the ballot). After watching the debate the other evening she never said a word, she walked over- grabbed the laptop- fired up the internet- and then asked....." How do you spell KEYES ?"

Any vote not for McCain is for Obama.

[stevebeilgard]

Any vote not for McCain is for Obama.

i don't like mccain very much, but you are right on. :(

[JJL]

You could not be more wrong..........

John McCain is dead in the water. When he voted yay on the bailout bill, he lost the votes of the undecided voters all across the country. Game over. The courts, the media, and the left-wing wacko's are going to get their man.

Here's a little read you might enjoy..........if you can open your mind.

October 10, 2008

A WASTED VOTE

By Chuck Baldwin

When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

[JJL]

Any vote not for McCain is for Obama.

You could not be more wrong.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Is Alan Keyes even on the ballot, or is he a write in?

[wtnhunt]

Is Alan Keyes even on the ballot, or is he a write in?

Being that he has not been at any of the debates, I am assuming he is a write in. Wonder how that works out with the electronic voting machines?

[oldksnarc]

You could not be more wrong.

I normally agree with most of what you say.

But, how can that be wrong? Obama may not get the vote - but neither does McCain. So, it's the same as not voting - which means McCain loses a vote and Obama has a greater chance of winning.

[wtnhunt]

But, how can that be wrong? Obama may not get the vote - but neither does McCain. So, it's the same as not voting - which means McCain loses a vote and Obama has a greater chance of winning.

Would have to agree completely with this. Not voting for McCain does increase the chances of Obama winning.

A wasted vote is the vote not cast. Yeah, the person the spin is for may have all the desirable traits - and in normal times a principle vote would be ideal.

But, these are not ideal times and socialism and Obama's values are not the path we want, nor can afford, to go down. Is the spin's candidate the better choice? Yes. Is he going to win - or even be counted at the end of the day? No. He couldn't even beat Obama in Illinois.

I've always stood on principle rather than popularity - but, again, these aren't normal times. As much as I disagree with McCain's moderate views, I have to cast mine to give him a better chance at the popular vote and, again and still, hope the electoral college goes the right way.

From a different thread, but also applies here. Well said.

[slugshooter]

You could not be more wrong.

Think about it this way, everyone knows that if Ross Perot had stayed in Texas, Bill Clinton never wins his first term. As such, if Ralph Nader would have stayed in whatever hole he only crawls out of for an election, then George W. doesn't win his first term.

Unfortunately, unlike other countries, our country facilitates, and in some states (North Carolina) mandates that there be only two parties on the ballot. Now, I looked at a sample ballot online for Florida a couple days ago, I think there were 10 presidential choices. Reform, Green, Libertarian, Socialist Workers, etc. Now, the lower tier parties get a couple hundred votes, at best, but Reform and Green and Libertarian tend to go into the thousands. Greens are going to lean Democratic, Reform will lean more Republican, Libertarian, either or. Now, everyone knows that anyone from a party not Rep. or Dem. doesn't stand a chance to ever win the presidency, so, while voting for your third tier candidate may make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, it doesn't necessarily help the electoral process. If 10,000 people vote for Alan Keyes who normally would have voted for McCain, and Obama wins that state by 9000 votes, well, you have just helped elect Barack Obama.

[Gator]

Think about it this way, everyone knows that if Ross Perot had stayed in Texas, Bill Clinton never wins his first term. As such, if Ralph Nader would have stayed in whatever hole he only crawls out of for an election, then George W. doesn't win his first term.

Unfortunately, unlike other countries, our country facilitates, and in some states (North Carolina) mandates that there be only two parties on the ballot. Now, I looked at a sample ballot online for Florida a couple days ago, I think there were 10 presidential choices. Reform, Green, Libertarian, Socialist Workers, etc. Now, the lower tier parties get a couple hundred votes, at best, but Reform and Green and Libertarian tend to go into the thousands. Greens are going to lean Democratic, Reform will lean more Republican, Libertarian, either or. Now, everyone knows that anyone from a party not Rep. or Dem. doesn't stand a chance to ever win the presidency, so, while voting for your third tier candidate may make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, it doesn't necessarily help the electoral process. If 10,000 people vote for Alan Keyes who normally would have voted for McCain, and Obama wins that state by 9000 votes, well, you have just helped elect Barack Obama.

Very well said Marc, and I have to agree with that.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

...Now, I looked at a sample ballot online for Florida a couple days ago, I think there were 10 presidential choices. Reform, Green, Libertarian, Socialist Workers, etc...

Socialist Workers, eh? Was Obama's name on the ballot twice?

[JJL]

If George H. Bush wasn't such an idiot..........Bill Clinton nevers wins the election. Then the GOP runs Bob Dole in '96...........BOMB. George W. wins 8 years because the Dems can't find a candidate with a brain. Now the GOP wants to push McCain down our throats. WHY ?????

They expected Hillary to be the nominee.........Bad guess. You can sure bet that when O'Bama got the nomination a whole bunch of Republican Leaders crapped their pants. They had a lame horse in the race cause they knew they couldn't win.

It's like this............. The old Dems are the new Socialist Party and the old Republican Party is the new Liberal Democrat Party. We Conservatives are left without a voice.

Is a vote for a Third Party a vote for O'Bama????

I look at it this way. Your giving me a choice between "Child Abuse" and "Drug Abuse". Obviously child abuse is worse. But, I'm not going to do either. And don't try and blame me when Child abuse takes over. I'm not going to support drug abuse when there are other options.

The GOP made their bed..............let them die in it. This country is very resilient and will recover from O'Bama. Mainly because of those people who refuse to eat crap-sandwiches just because that's what the cafeteria was serving.

Let me close by saying that I support Palin, she's the real deal. Too bad she hitched her cart to a lame horse.

[oldksnarc]

The GOP made their bed..............let them die in it. This country is very resilient and will recover from O'Bama.

Let me close by saying that I support Palin, she's the real deal. Too bad she hitched her cart to a lame horse.

I think the GOP has lost its way for conservatives. But, they aren't the ones who are going to lie in it - we will.

Maybe the country is resilient, but how many good people are going to lose and suffer thru the Obama years - and the years it will take to recover afterwards. Obama told a plumber that he wants to redistribute the wealth to the middle-class. That's political rhetoric - he wants to re-distribute it to those who won't work for it. It is those for whom the CRA was designed and because of those that we're in the financial crisis we're in.

And, it won't be his wealth that gets redistributed - it'll be yours and mine.

You support Palin as the real deal? Then vote for her and not McCain and hope something happens where she gets the nod to step up. McCain's already said he's only going to be a one-term Prez. Give her a chance to step in for him or step up after him.

[JJL]

You support Palin as the real deal? Then vote for her and not McCain and hope something happens where she gets the nod to step up. McCain's already said he's only going to be a one-term Prez. Give her a chance to step in for him or step up after him.

The GOP runs Palin and Jindal in 2012 I'll be back. This year No-Can-Do.

[davetucker]

i turn 31 thursday and all my voter yrs(all 12 will be 13)i have voted republican and have not wooried about the dem party winning!!This yr for some god aweful reason i am very worried about this election!!Obamma has me so scared that he's gonna win and tear our country apart from the inside out!!Do i have reasons to be worried?I think so!!

[oldksnarc]

Do i have reasons to be worried? I think so!!

Be afraid. Be very, very afraid.