JJL Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 They're both in the same game with Income Tax cuts. The problem with the Liberal approach is all of the new taxes that will be added to pay for their "Social"ist programs. Health tax for the new Health Care Program..........Environmental Tax for Global Warming.............Immigration Tax so we can support all of the new Democrat Voters............Race Tax to make up for the years held in Bondage to Slavery.............Checkerboard tax tho help the children of Mixed Marriages..............Audio Tax to help those with Big Ears.....................The Oak Tree Tax to help Acorn Fix the next election as well..........The Oprah Tax to help out all of the people who are too lazy to get a job and just sit at home watching Oprah...................and my personal favorite........The Success Tax for the people who have worked hard and become successful-------we need to pay our "FAIR SHARE" to help those who haven't done squat. The election of O'Bama will turn me from a hard working successful businessman into a tax-evader.............so be it..........it's now the "American Way". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobuckhunter Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Bums don't make $60,000 a year - the ones making less than $10,000 are the ones not motivated, i.e. more bum-like. wow that was a harsh statment people that only make 10,000 a year are bumlike wow just a little fyi my wife works between 45 and 60 hours a week as a server so she probably works more hours and probably harder than you. wow she is a bum thanks for opening my eyes to that. she at most on paper with her check and credit card tips makes 10-12,000 a year. also i would like to add acearcher you are fighting a battle you will not win here seems to me most people here have the same views when it comes to politics. i don't support either candidate so i am not voting for one. but i surely am not ready to see 4 more years of screw the poor man. i myself work 40+ hours a week and we only have one child and we barely and i mean barely get by and we have cut back alot got rid of the 2 lease cars and bought older cars so we wouldn't have the payments and now instead of paying for a nice car i will be paying for the screw up of other people's mistakes and failure to pay their bills gee i can't wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Wasn't directed at you or your wife - was directed at people that don't work or won't improve themselves. If I offended you I apologize. Waitresses are hard workers and I am aware they only make (last I knew) $2.65 an hour average. If they show no/low tips that doesn't look like they do very well. And, your'e right. We will all be paying for the mistakes of others and for their failure to pay their bills. But, as I'm sure you've noticed in the discussions, that was brought on by the dems housing bills and their requiring lenders to loan money to those that couldn't afford them - i.e. pay for them. AND, Obama voted for the bail-out too. Again, sorry if you read into it and took it personal or that it was directed at you. From what you say you and you're wife aren't dead beats. Don't put yourself in that class if you're not. I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobuckhunter Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 that's fine it just threw me for a loop when i seen that knowing how hard she works for her money she works circles around me has to deal with some really bad people like when they dine and ditch or "forget" to leave a tip.oh by the way the servers did get a whoping raise. she now makes $3.42 an hour lol i also belive it is a both party's fault for the way our country is and i feel there is no short term fix no matter who gets elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Ohio Buckhunter. Ultimalty you and your family will get some tax relief under the the Obama administration. That is the good news. If you are a registered voter I would implore you to vote...pick a canidate but at least vote for who you think most closely represents your interests and what is best for this country. The problem most in here have is they don't realize that there are plenty of hard working people that don't make much money. A $500 tax credit is hardly some type welfare check that will be a disincentive for people to work. Guess what it just isn't Ohiobuckhunter wife who is hard working...there are hundreds of thousand of hard working Americans who don't. My grandfather will get tax relief under Obama. He will be 83 on Saturday and junks scrape metal in order to pay for medicine and gas. He makes less than $10k and will get tax relief of and extra $500...you could call it welfare b/c it will be $500 more than he paid in. Let me tell you....this man works hard today and has all his life. As I have stated b/f he is a veteran who joined the marines at age 16 and fought in the battle of Iwo Jima. So I guess he is probably not a bum either...or maybe I should inform him that he is a bum. So I ask...who exactly are the bums who are workers that make very little money? I realize that I am fighting an uphill battle in here...however, if you don't speak up on the side of right then you are just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I don't want to sound callous, and I'm not asking a rhetorical question, but if your grandfather is in need, why don't you help him out instead of relying on the government? And don't say that he won't take it. There are ways of doing it without hurting his pride. You could just stop by and say "Grandpa, I'm going to take your car and wash it." And then bring it back with a full tank of gas. So he recycles scarp metal? Find some friends that will take their stuff to him. Invite him over for supper 2 or 3 times a week. That will decrease his food bill significantly. Does he read the newspaper? Pay for his annual subscription. Does he call long distance? Buy him some prepaid phone cards, or even a prepaid cell phone. Families can and should do more things to help the elderly than the government. Then the government should be there to step in and help the elderly that don't have families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I do help him out! I do all of those things and more. So please don't be so presumtious as to tell me that I should help my grandfather and assume that I don't. Further...I am not the one complaining about paying potentially a little more in taxes so that other get releif. Of course I help my family b/f I help anyone else. The point is that you label people in low income brackets as being "lazy" and any tax policy aimed at these people being "welfare". For the most part you sterotype this people (such as Ohio buckhunters wife and my grandfather) as being recipients of what you would call welfare. If you are fortunate enough to be making good money then you should pray to God everyday that you a blessed so much as to pay into a 39% tax bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 So my question is this: Are you still going to be glad you voted for Obama if this grand tax plan proves unworkable from the outset or unsustainable in the logn run? If that is all you are basing your vote on, are you willing to consider other facets of a possible Obama presidency, or are the blinders set? HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I do help him out! I do all of those things and more. So please don't be so presumtious as to tell me that I should help my grandfather and assume that I don't. Further...I am not the one complaining about paying potentially a little more in taxes so that other get releif. Of course I help my family b/f I help anyone else. The point is that you label people in low income brackets as being "lazy" and any tax policy aimed at these people being "welfare". For the most part you sterotype this people (such as Ohio buckhunters wife and my grandfather) as being recipients of what you would call welfare. If you are fortunate enough to be making good money then you should pray to God everyday that you a blessed so much as to pay into a 39% tax bracket. Who labelled anyone? The remark I saw about low income was your self admitted sarcastic comment about 60k bums. There is a huge difference in the struggling middle income workers and "lazy welfare bums" who can work but DO NOT work and do still collect government benes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I do help him out! I do all of those things and more. So please don't be so presumtious as to tell me that I should help my grandfather and assume that I don't. Further...I am not the one complaining about paying potentially a little more in taxes so that other get releif. Of course I help my family b/f I help anyone else. The point is that you label people in low income brackets as being "lazy" and any tax policy aimed at these people being "welfare". For the most part you sterotype this people (such as Ohio buckhunters wife and my grandfather) as being recipients of what you would call welfare. If you are fortunate enough to be making good money then you should pray to God everyday that you a blessed so much as to pay into a 39% tax bracket. I knew I was running the risk of my question being taken wrong. I didn't know if you did or did not help him out. If not, I wanted to at least put the notion into your head. My point is that there are far too many people in this country who DO think that the government owes their elderly family members more and more, while those very same people are doing less and less for the elderly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I really didn't take offense to the comment. I think that we should help to people that we know and try to empower the people that we don't know. Also, I am very open to ideas of the McCain campaign. The only problem is that Senator McCain hasn't presented many ideas. He just doesn't seem very buttoned up on the issues and and the problems facing everyday Americans. If he/Palin would have presented ideas rather than weeks and weeks of small minded negative fear mongering then perhaps it would be a closer race. McCain is not a bad guy but in this instance is a far second in our choice. If Obama comes into office and totally lies and does nothing of what he campaigned for then yes I would be disappointed. I support his ideas, truthfulness and judgment so if one of those things turns south in the future yes I would be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois59 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 These are some quotes from former Presidents that remind me of Obama: "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues."~Theodore Roosevelt And so it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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