pass through question?

[PotashRLS]

This is the point I was trying to make!

The Kinetic Energy is there to get pass throughs...but the Momentum is not.

Assuming that the arrow weight will probably not change with the original posters setup...the only way to get a pass through would be from shot placement that decreases the chance of bone contact.

With heavier arrows the likelyhood of pass throughs increase.

I agree with Hutchies analogy about the motorcycle and the 18 wheeler.

The motorcycle can be blazing fast when it hits the wall and do little damage...the 18wheeler can coast into the wall and push it over. A perfect example of how kinetic energy decreases rapidly as the weight of the object is lighter.

I couldn't agree more!!!!! My brother shoots a Parker Hunter Mag bow with poundage in the low 60s. The difference is that he shoots Easton XX78 2315s at 27 1/2". He gets a BLAZING 207 fps , yet his arrows tipped with a 1 3/8" Grim Reaper almost always passes through or is just hanging by the feathers.

Stay with heavier setups if you want consistant penetration.

And yes, the Momentum vs. Kinetic Energy is an awesome read.

[layin on the smackdown]

i use Montec G5 100 grain broadheads, and they seem to slice right through em every time (except the quartering away shot due to opposite shoulder)...you don't hear a lot of hype about montec G5's, but i will attest that they do the job quite well!

[GWSmith]

...you don't hear a lot of hype about montec G5's, but i will attest that they do the job quite well!

They used to be all the Rage(no pun intended) when they first came out. Thier just not the latest thing anymore and dont have the big name hunters and shows pimping thier product;)

I used to shoot mech's but since I found out how easy it was to get good arrow flight out of fixed blade(muzzy 3-blade 100's) with this little tool at the pro shop I'll never look back.

I like the chisel tip for those times when I hit bone with the Muzzy's;)

[Tony]

GW that tool right there is probably one of the biggest reasons i get great arrow flight on my arrows now. the G5 ASD is just one great tool. all arrow builders should have one.

Tony

[Leo]

GW that tool right there is probably one of the biggest reasons i get great arrow flight on my arrows now. the G5 ASD is just one great tool. all arrow builders should have one.

Tony

I agree. Some folks think they have to use it on the carbon before they glue in the inserts. That's ideal, but you can use it to true up an insert that's already glued in. It will make a difference.

If I'm building arrows, I'll also true up the nock end before I glue the fletchings on.

[atthewall]

Fixed blade heads, spin test them before hunting. Simply place the tip down on a hard top, shaft up, and spin it in your cupped hand. It should spin true.

If it doesn't, the insert or broadhead is off. If it spins true, do a bowtune and get everything dialed in.

I shot mechanicals a few times and never really liked them for big game. I use them on turkey only now and my hope there is, no pass-thru...that's the desired result.

I prefer a pass-thru...it's easier on the hunting arrow and less costly vs busted up shafts as they run off with the arrow inside and there is something about recovering a bloody arrow at the beginning of a good blood trail.

[Tink]

What? Another problem with Rage?

I would say that 80% of the bow forums I visit have thread after thread on the woes trails and tribulation of Amazed Rage shooters singing the blues.

I think in the many cases of un recovered deer the RAGE blades broke off and failed to cut

The pressure to break the blades used up energy and the deer runs off with the arrow.

Hate mechanic Cal's as A Professional Guide in USA Africa & Canada I have seen far far too many well struck critters escape due to mech head that failed in one manner or the other.

its like shooting a solid bullet that doesn't mushroom

Would you knowingly shoot a rifle bullet that had a reputation of not expanding but zipping Right thru making a .27 caliber hole going in ( .270 Win) and a.27 hole exiting?

Say 5% of the time

Heck No

nor would i take a ch chane ona bullet that only worked 99% of the time

but Bowhunters willing shoot head that have a failure rate of anywhere from 205 to 505 on lost deer.

I think the large unsupported blades on the Rage and weak little pins and piss ant screws are causing breaking and lost blades and lost game galore

Plus they are made in CHINA Red China

Who watches the steel tempering & QC of RAGE BLADES?

The same folks that poison us with Melamie in our dog food & baby Milk and chocolates.

Yes Same guy

You just don't see these Threads with any fixed heads

Sorry I call them as I see them

[Straight Shooter]

Way to call it tink! A spade is a spade. Totally agree with you on this.

[m gardner]

My nephew in upstate New York shot and lost 2 bucks using the Rage 2 blade and went back to Muzzys and killed the next one he shot. I think part of it is that the 2 blade head creates a hole that can close and on hits that aren't instantly fatal you need all the bleeding you can get and a 3 or 4 blade head creates a wound that won't close.