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Black guns are by far my weakest area of expertise. I've shot several that belonged to others, including some that were selective fire. But I've never owned one and really don't know where to start.

Maybe I should ask Ted Nugent for suggestions?

Never owned one before my rock river varmint either Mike, I want another one and think I probably need to get it while I can, but think I will opt for the .308 in my next one. There are a lot of good options out there in the price range you posted. I looked pretty close at the dpms and rock river varmint models. The varmint model I have in .223 is pretty heavy, but it is an absolute tack driver and has been deadly on the yotes here.

Personally I really do not want to wait and see if maybe the liberals will maybe surprise us and not push for the awb and bans on semi-autos after January 20th, I am looking now.:rolleyes::(

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Yep, the unfortunate events of the last election have definitely altered my timetable. Otherwise, I'd wait until after deer season, and then take my time to find something.

The other thought I had, is that there may be a run on these types of weapons which will in turn cause a shortage, and maybe even price increases.

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The other thought I had, is that there may be a run on these types of weapons which will in turn cause a shortage, and maybe even price increases.

I believe you are probably right. I am going to be getting some quotes here shortly, I figure that availability might be an issue too, but hopefully I will be able to get what I am after.

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Have heard good things about the dpms too and may end up going that route with my next one. Looks like the rock river standard A4 in .308 is going to be hard to find.:(

The rock rivers do have some very good reviews though Mike, if you can find one in the caliber and style rifle you want. Here is a review on the varmint model http://www.snipercentral.com/rra.htm. I have the 20 inch barrel model and typically get sub 3/4 groups out of mine @100 yards with the ultramax 55 grain soft points. The black hills 55 grainers groups open up a little but still under an inch.

Also ran across this link to an excerpt from a book which might be helpful http://books.google.com/books?id=6Ocu_C6xMdwC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=rock+river+rifles&source=bl&ots=g2J4IiD1xF&sig=m_bZjx2NXwIeOZNpmCIvlWrWrf4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA255,M1

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