A tip from the pros at the ASA

[Pinwheel5]

Here is a tip at the request of Tony that I picked up talking with some pros this weekend.

We were sitting around the grill waiting on the chicken and Okbwhtrs buddy, Luke Pettigrew asked Derry Null where he hits on the practice bail when he is sighted in for 3-d targets. "Huh?" I thought to myself. Derry went on to explain that he hits high left (I think that is how I remember) on a practice bail when dead on an animal. I have never heard this. I have worn out my hex screws on so many sights because I would shoot bails and 3-d and hit differently but presumed it was my form. I guess it is not. Later I told Luke that I had no idea that the two targets would cause different impacts and he said it sure would. Sure does explain why I would be dead on out to 40 on the bails and shoot my first 3 or 4 3-d to the left before I adjusted my sights. Sure enough I would be hitting to the right back at the bails.

I guess the tip is when you are getting ready for 3-d shoot and sight in on 3-d targets. When you get to the warm up bails don't adjust your sights because you are off, they will be dead on at the range.

Got some more tips from this weekend I will share later.

[Okbwhtr]

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Burly Hall told me several years that you can hit different on bag target. He said he usally has tendacy to hit right side. Its mainly due to how you sight up on round spot. When you sight up on 3d target you could be right on.

I have heard this more than once.

[Tony]

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thanks Pin and Dan keep em coming .

i wonder if its the lighting or the differance in aiming indoors that makes the sights differant.

i have experienced this also . my 20 is dead on indoors but when i go outside it changes .

but i have my sights adjusted for foam animals now. and i will remember that little tip.

Shoot Strong

Tony

[Okbwhtr]

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Here a good thread with Eric explaining Back tension.

Eric, Chance and Nathan Brooks all agree they shoot Back tension this way. Hard to argue against Nathan Brooks and Chance.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86919

[Tony]

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thakns Dan i have read and responded to that post on AT . it seems that many Pros have there own way to get the release to fire .

but you and i know that its there mental game that makes them the top shooters.

sure rock solid form and range estimation help but that mental game is what makes them able to perform under pressure.

sure wish Eric or Nathan could bottle it and sell me some .

Shoot Strong

Tony

[VTbowman]

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Is this one of those tips that is explained, "I dunno why it just works."????

I do not understand how that can be.

Hit one place on a 3-D and another on a bag?

Please explain further...

[Okbwhtr]

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I notice lighting effects aining spot also.

I hit a little different when the sun is up and when the target is in shaded dark area.

Make no doubt about when that string hits Nathans nose the mental aiming is there. Them guys are ure shooters.

[Tony]

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heres a good tip i got this weekend from one of the guys i shot with.

he said " trust your level " when making those nasty side hill shots . he said that bubble will never lie to you .

so you stand on a slope to the left , the target is also leaning to the left . when you draw your bow the level should be in the center not leaning left . this will allow you to make a good shot.

[TreeWalker]

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Here is a tip at the request of Tony that I picked up talking with some pros this weekend.

We were sitting around the grill waiting on the chicken and Okbwhtrs buddy, Luke Pettigrew asked Derry Null where he hits on the practice bail when he is sighted in for 3-d targets. "Huh?" I thought to myself. Derry went on to explain that he hits high left (I think that is how I remember) on a practice bail when dead on an animal. I have never heard this. I have worn out my hex screws on so many sights because I would shoot bails and 3-d and hit differently but presumed it was my form. I guess it is not. Later I told Luke that I had no idea that the two targets would cause different impacts and he said it sure would. Sure does explain why I would be dead on out to 40 on the bails and shoot my first 3 or 4 3-d to the left before I adjusted my sights. Sure enough I would be hitting to the right back at the bails.

I guess the tip is when you are getting ready for 3-d shoot and sight in on 3-d targets. When you get to the warm up bails don't adjust your sights because you are off, they will be dead on at the range.

Got some more tips from this weekend I will share later.

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And I thought I was loosing my mind ??!!

Actually this exact thing cost me placing in State this year.........at least I like to think it did..........it took me the first 7 targets, before "biting the bullet" and swallowing my pride before adjusting my windage.....

This has happened to many times, and I never knew the cause....I had always thought it was a breakdown in my form as well.............so many times I've adjusted my sight while in tourney mode.....................I've always been the mentality that "I must be torquing the grip..." etc......and would try to work through my from before actually making any adjustments..............usually by the time I make any needed adjustments, it's to late

Thanks for the tips guys..........hopefully I can put them to good use....

[Tony]

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im going to make this a permanant post so that we can come in here and post any good tip for shooting.

whether its indoor target or 3-d or field archery .

i think it would help some guys to have a tips post that they can check out anytime , without having to do a search for it.

[VTbowman]

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I still do not understand the original tip Tony posted... (???)

Anyways, the biggest tip I had recieved, from a semi-pro, was to open and let limp all fingers and thumbs once at anchor point. A form of relaxing at full draw.

This tip reduces torque caused by gripping your bow to firmly, and also twisting your release, not just left or right, but up or down too.

Most releases have rotation abilities in there interface between the wrist and jaw, some are simply string or rope that is very forgiving.

Nevertheless, I think it helps me 1000% more to let all fingers and thumbs go limp.

[Tony]

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VT i will see if i can provided more info on Pinwheel 5s original tip . its an explanation as to why some of our pins for indoors are differant when we go outside to shoot .

some of the guys pins are dead on at 20 and 30 inside but hen they go outside to shoot there pins are off either slightly left or right and sometimes high and low.

sometimes because of lighting pins change point of impact . when we move outside to shoot 3-D or field archery we need to sight in our pins outside in typical lighting we expect we will be shooting in.

i guess its just the differant veiw of the pins from indoor to outdoor . i also have this happen . i was in the shop last night shooting at 20 and 30 yards and my pins are about 1 inch low .

i know they are dead on outside because i use a laser range finder to set up my distances. and i know the distances in the shop are correct because i used the same laser range finder for them.

hope this explains this better for you and everyone else.

[VTbowman]

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So its basically the light defraction issue we talked about a few weeks ago.

I never have had this issue.

Like my PM said, I shoot at white foam with black spots, black foam with orange stickers, brown foam (3-D target) with and without orange stickers. Low light and high sun and at all directions. Level land, down sloping hills, and a 18' practice stand. 10 to 60 yards.

My peep is very large hole for hunting though.

I know some 3-D peeps are extremely small and may cause this effect to be more pronounced.

I dunno though jusy my theroy on it.

I heard of one peep that is actually a crosshair like cut out instead of a round hole. The optical illusion when your eye is so close to it makes the hole look square. This peep is suppose to eliminate the light defraction issue.

Not sure if it does or not, never tried it.

Thanks for your clearification...

[Pinwheel5]

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yea, going from inside to outdoors can sure cause some different impact points, i have known this for sometime. What my original point was about practice bails and 3-d, both outdoors. That is where i always gave up some points, being dead on at the bails and being off on 3-d. interesting stuff and sure enough, this weekend I proved it to myself.

[dg]

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I've had the same problems. I think it's the concentrate on the sight pin vs the dot aiming technique. Many say: "aim on the target": but the subconscience picks up the pin. I aim on the sight pin and "the subconscience picks up the point of contact". They both will make the arrow go to the side..

[Okbwhtr]

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Tip from Dean Pridgon(Multi world champion)

The most important thing is you better have your eyeball centered in peep, peep centered on scope or pin or impact will change evertime. This is why you dont really need kisser button, because if you have your eyeball in right postion evertime the rest will take care of its self.

Another tip

The brain can do one thing (AIM on target) Everthing else happens in subconcouis mind. You build a good subconcouis mind shot with practice.

Example

If you subconcious is saying here we go shoot. One must just hold on target as well as they can and subconsouis happens normally. You cannot be thinking about is my form right, I need to squeeze the trigger during the shot. It should be and feel natural.

I assure you guys like Nathan and Chance are doing one thing aiming hard and pulling thru there shot with subconsouis mind. They have shot for years and this is what repetative perfect practice does. Dont practice when your if you are not in right frame of mind, only produces bad habits.

Archery is simple game. Tune the bow as well as one can. Then find a shot process. Then repeat that shot process evertime whether the target is 20 yrds. or 80 yrds. My coach constantly says guys you make this sport to hard. Dean Pridgen won and domanated indoor for many years. He still shoots awefull good at age 67. In the last two years he has taught me alot.

I still continue to work on mental game.

Lannybassham.com tapes have been the best thing for that. He has book and audio tapes. Excellant stuff.

If your serious about competing. Find a pro or seek a coach. It will save you alot of time to help you find your goal.

[Tony]

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thats a big time tip there Dan . if you really want to compete at a higher level then a coach or shooting mentor is very necessary.

someone to help us along or give us a kick in the pants when needed .

you are truely blessed to have Mr. Pridgon helping you.

[Tony]

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hers another tip ...

if your having problems with your bow grip . put a mark on the back of your hand that lines up with something on your arrow rest .

that way each time you grip the bow line up the mark and the point of referance . after a month or so you should have a very repeatable grip that no longer needs a mark for referance.

this tip came from Randy Ulmer . he actually tatooed a mark on his hand and made a line on his arrow shelf to line up.

[Pinwheel5]

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Here is one I got from my friend Ken Likens. Paper tuning is not very important for setting up a bow. Most now realize that you can shoot fine through paper but still group like crap. Group tuning is what is important for setting up your bow.

BUT, Paper tuning can still be a benefit to you. Ken shoots all his arrows through paper to make sure they all tear the same. This assures all the arrows are flying the same even if it is a bad tear (We are not worried about that, remember), just as long as all of them are the same. You may have to tweak some nocks or even throw away a few arrows out of a dozen before you find a perfect set.

[Gator]

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I am so glad I came in and read this today, cause it explains alot!! This past weekend, at the Okie get together, we went and shot a 3-d course. Now wouldn't you know it, but I had several shots going left, but even when I got back home, I was dead on, on a bag target. Guess I need to read this stuff alot more!! This at least makes me feel better as to why I was shooting left.