ParrotHead Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. The GAO? You're getting your legal advise from the GAO? While I don;t condone spending tax payers money on much of anything whether it's Clinton, Kerry, Bush or Mickey Mouse in the White House I can't for the life of me see where it's breaking a law and to date I've asked and no one has been able to tell me what law was broken. Unethical? Maybe - but ethics in this group can be wide spread. Illegal? Again, show me the law that prevents this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. news clips and accusations so far. if proven true, i'll step forward and criticize bush. wrong is wrong. but the dems will never critizice clinton. even you think it o.k. to "just get a b.j. " in the oval office. hey, you must be progressive.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] news clips and accusations so far. if proven true, i'll step forward and criticize bush. wrong is wrong. but the dems will never critizice clinton. even you think it o.k. to "just get a b.j. " in the oval office. hey, you must be progressive.... [/ QUOTE ] Never said it was OK for a married person to do that, but it is not illegal and certainly not impeachable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] news clips and accusations so far. if proven true, i'll step forward and criticize bush. wrong is wrong. but the dems will never critizice clinton. even you think it o.k. to "just get a b.j. " in the oval office. hey, you must be progressive.... [/ QUOTE ] Never said it was OK for a married person to do that, but it is not illegal and certainly not impeachable. [/ QUOTE ] But slug, it is punishable under the UCMJ, you know, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and he WAS at the time, The President of the United States, and our Commander-in-Chief. Had a servicemember done that, and gotten caught, they could have been punished for it. Something to think about there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] news clips and accusations so far. if proven true, i'll step forward and criticize bush. wrong is wrong. but the dems will never critizice clinton. even you think it o.k. to "just get a b.j. " in the oval office. hey, you must be progressive.... [/ QUOTE ] Never said it was OK for a married person to do that, but it is not illegal and certainly not impeachable. [/ QUOTE ] But slug, it is punishable under the UCMJ, you know, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and he WAS at the time, The President of the United States, and our Commander-in-Chief. Had a servicemember done that, and gotten caught, they could have been punished for it. Something to think about there! [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it is punishable under the UCMJ and I know more than a few that were reprimanded under that particular jurisdiction, my feelings against that are a whole other topic. Regardless of him being the " Commander in Chief" The President is a civilian, he is not a member of the armed forces and thus is not subject to the rules of the UCMJ. Our government was set up to make sure that civilians ran our military on the sole idea of not wanting military warlords taking over the country. There is no law against having an affair in civilian life, regardless of profession. Was it low down, yeah, I don't condone anyone having an affair, but trying to ruin someone over it is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Perjury is against the law - how do you feel about that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] news clips and accusations so far. if proven true, i'll step forward and criticize bush. wrong is wrong. but the dems will never critizice clinton. even you think it o.k. to "just get a b.j. " in the oval office. hey, you must be progressive.... [/ QUOTE ] Never said it was OK for a married person to do that, but it is not illegal and certainly not impeachable. [/ QUOTE ] But slug, it is punishable under the UCMJ, you know, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and he WAS at the time, The President of the United States, and our Commander-in-Chief. Had a servicemember done that, and gotten caught, they could have been punished for it. Something to think about there! [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it is punishable under the UCMJ and I know more than a few that were reprimanded under that particular jurisdiction, my feelings against that are a whole other topic. Regardless of him being the " Commander in Chief" The President is a civilian, he is not a member of the armed forces and thus is not subject to the rules of the UCMJ. Our government was set up to make sure that civilians ran our military on the sole idea of not wanting military warlords taking over the country. There is no law against having an affair in civilian life, regardless of profession. Was it low down, yeah, I don't condone anyone having an affair, but trying to ruin someone over it is worse. [/ QUOTE ] But slug, since he is the Commander-in-Chief, is he not supposed to "LEAD BY EXAMPLE"? That's what personnel in a leadership position are supposed to do, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Perjury is a pretty serious offense. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but is it not in most cases normally an offense that results in jail time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] Perjury is a pretty serious offense. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but is it not in most cases normally an offense that results in jail time? [/ QUOTE ] Once again we are still stuck in the 90's good to see we have a grip on the problems the country is faceing today yes purjury is a crime. one that has been commited by more than one president in the past and one that Im shure we will see in the future. I dont care what clinton did with some women. Clintons waste of human life in somolia will be where my distaste for the man will always lie. I think we could come up with some real crappy stuff clinton did during before and after his days in Office sleeping around was prob. the least of his problems. BUT WHO CARES!!!! it is all over and well documented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Yep Aaron, you are right that is in the past. Discussing it now while we are bored is nothing more than useless conversation. Unfortunately looking into the future I am afraid another Clinton is going to be attempting to make her way into the White House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Now here's where I have a problem with your statement. You don't care what Clinton did but you do care what Bush does. There's still a double-sided view going on here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] Now here's where I have a problem with your statement. You don't care what Clinton did but you do care what Bush does. There's still a double-sided view going on here.... [/ QUOTE ] past and present is far from a two sided view......and I dont think I've mentioned bush in a month. I do care what bush does right now if what he did was illegal than he should be called out for it just as clinton was. But no, currently i couldnt care less about clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. wrong, carbonhunter. purjury is lying under oath. while i agree that alll presidents have lied to us, only ONE lide under oath. clinton committed purjury, which is a jailable offence. after pleading GUILTY to purjury, clinton was left in office (not impeached), and given no sentence. at the same time, 118 attorneys were in jail for lying under oath about having sex. in short, same crime by same people. all of their requests for clemency were denied. thus, clinton proved that he was, indeed, above the law. isn't true history wonderful??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Clinton was impeached, he was found innocent, if he were found guilty then he would have been forced out of office. Impeachment only refers to the trial that is indertaken, not being forced out of office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Yeah, I actually thought he was found guilty, but was not impeached, up until somone in here posted a link and I read for myself that he was in fact impeached, but got to remain in office . I always thought to be impeached meant he would have had to left office. I however thought and unless I am mistaken am pretty sure that he was in fact found guilty of the perjury charge . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] wrong, carbonhunter. purjury is lying under oath. while i agree that alll presidents have lied to us, only ONE lide under oath. clinton committed purjury, which is a jailable offence. after pleading GUILTY to purjury, clinton was left in office (not impeached), and given no sentence. at the same time, 118 attorneys were in jail for lying under oath about having sex. in short, same crime by same people. all of their requests for clemency were denied. thus, clinton proved that he was, indeed, above the law. isn't true history wonderful??? [/ QUOTE ] Uhh?? i know what perjury is.....but what is the rest of that blather??? And I really doubt that Clinton was the first president to lie under oath But let me ask you this when your the president of the united states does it matter if you lied under oath or just lied??? One is illigal and one isnt but aside from that, I dont see much differance between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Sorry Aaron, but I dont think there is any excuse for lying under oath. Lying is wrong any way you look at it, but going into a court and knowingly putting your hand over the bible and swearing to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and then not telling the truth in my eyes is worse than just trying to hide the facts from your wife or from the public by deception. Not that there is a good liar, but if somone will lie under oath, they are the worst kind of liar out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Hmm so now we rank liers, I dont think so a lie is a lie. That is the problem with many things today....one person kills someone and they get a year, another commits the same crime and gets the death penalty. When you are president of the USA, a lie to the american people is a lie no matter what context it was under. I dont think there is any excuse for lieing under oath and i had no intention of making it sound that way. A lie is a lie, If we are going to impeach one president for it we should impeach all the others that do it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. sluggo. you really need to study history. clinton was not found innocent. in fact, he pled guilty to lying under oath. history, man. read some of it. it's all in the national archives. while it it wrong, everyone lies. but lying under oath is a felony. that is why clinton was impeaches. no revisionist liberal history lessons, please, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. while it it wrong, everyone lies. but lying under oath is a felony. that is why clinton was impeaches. no revisionist liberal history lessons, please, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So you lie??? May the lord have mercy on ya then. A president lieing to his constituants should be a felony regardless of the context....... You seem to think your a quick as a wip, but i wouldnt go judging people when you cant spell impeached....... night peaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] You seem to think your a quick as a wip, but i wouldnt go judging people when you cant spell impeached....... [/ QUOTE ] OUCH [/ QUOTE ]night peaches [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] So you lie??? May the lord have mercy on ya then [/ QUOTE ] look who's judging people now eh [ QUOTE ] You seem to think your a quick as a wip, but i wouldnt go judging people when you cant spell impeached....... [/ QUOTE ] quit being a nit picker carbon. Seems like your trying to get something going in here from the last few posts of yours that I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. Aaron, was not trying to imply anything about what you were or are saying bud. I agrea a lie is a lie, but is it not more wrong to do it while under oath? I do also agree with what you are saying abotu other offenses and not being equally just punishment in many cases. Not that I am "ranking liars" as you suggest. I personally despise a liar, but think that lying under oath is worse than just telling someone a bold face lie. Maybe I am nuts, but the idea of taking an oath in the eyes of the God and knowingly not telling the truth to me just seems like it is worse. Of course there is a difference in the "white lies" such as the deer and fishing stories we all tell. Those are innocent, it is the lies that are intended to decieve that I have a problem with. btw s is next to d on the keyboard, easy mistake for any decent typist. I have accidentally mispelled words hitting those keys for each other many times while typing many times myself. Maybe your remark was in good humor, maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. [ QUOTE ] i agree 100% The Bush administration has screwed this country up big time!! [/ QUOTE ] Oh please do tell - give us some enlightened vision to your analogy of "screwed this country up big time", I can't wait to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Re: I\'ll go ahead and mention it. You wanna see how Liberals screw things up ...come to Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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