Tominator Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 What really concerns me about the Fair Chase Rules is the very last one listed .... Why should that concern you? Their club, their rules. No law saying you have to join the club. It's not an entitlement, it's an application process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Why should that concern you? Their club, their rules. No law saying you have to join the club. It's not an entitlement, it's an application process. I totally understand it's thier club and thier rules Chris ,, what I don't like, is that these rules can apply to one hunter applying and be totally disallowed for another hunter ..( but yet they use the word FAIR to describe their rules ) There's NO strict guide line, it changes to fit thier views as needed and when suited .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodnottygy Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 If you kill a record book animal with the aid of an lighted knock, so be it... and congratulations. It had little or nothing to do with you killing that animal anyway. If Pope & Young don't like it, so what? Any trophy that I have killed, makes me feel the sense of accomplishment, whether I put it in a book or not. I have killed several that would make the book and never entered them, so that I would not draw attention to my areas that I hunt. I also pass up on numerous Pope & Young whitetails every year. If you kill every 125" deer that walks by, you'll be done hunting early and rarely kill a 140" or better buck. Gross score is all that matters to me, anyway. Having my name in the book really does not mean that much to me, but knowing that I could, is what really matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 what I don't like, is that these rules can apply to one hunter applying and be totally disallowed for another hunter ..( but yet they use the word FAIR to describe their rules ) Fair chase is what they contend, not fair application process. There's NO strict guide line, it changes to fit thier views as needed and when suited Yeah, but it's their club, their prerogative to change their guidelines when they deem necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Fair chase is what they contend, not fair application process. Yeah, but it's their club, their prerogative to change their guidelines when they deem necessary. I agree ,, I guess I'm just not able to articulate (type) what I'm trying to get across, without sounding stupidly arrogant .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Thanks for the interesting thread...It had me searching the main page of the P&Y club and I found something very similar to my line of belief about hunting. I like what's stated on the P&Y main page by one of the founders: “In the joy of hunting is intimately woven the love of the great outdoors. The beauty of the woods, valleys, mountains, and skies feeds the soul of the sportsman where the quest of game whets only his appetite. After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope, 1923 Recognition in someones book here on earth was not taught to me by my mentor/father. In his opinion there was only one Book that I needed to be concerned about having my name in and it's not on this earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 OK, back on track here, ... My argument with a lighted nock would be that it doesn't give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the animal. It's just designed to help the hunter find his or her arrow after the shot. Right? I agree...would be like saying you can't use a flashlight to track it As for the book....if I ever get one, I'll be satisfied to know it's a nice buck and won't need to send them money to be in thier book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 won't need to send them money to be in thier book Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layin on the smackdown Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I also feel that the use of trail cameras to locate game for the purpose of hunting them should also disqualify the hunter from entering the animal taken from entry into the record book. My reasoning for these opinions lies in the idea that a hunter should be able to hunt/locate the animal, or animals travel patterns, by him/herself and possess the skills to recover the animal once the shot is taken. I would have to disagree with you. But before doing so, i would also like to commend you on your beliefs with which i share the majority of with you. Especially the book thing... I feel very strongly that trail cams are another tool used for management, inquiries, hobbies, knowledge, familiarization of animals on your hunting ground, aging etc. in no way do i think trail cameras make anyone kill anything. As we all are outdoorsmen/women, we all spend countless hours scouting, hunting, shed hunting, and so on. What the trail camera does for us is help us get a better understanding of the who where and when...They help capture history. they provide proof of what you may have seen and want to share with people. they capture pics of nature at its best whether it be an albino, white, piebaled, 3 legged fawn, eagles, foxes etc. So many times have i seen a giant that i don't have on film, and so many times i have a giant or 3 on film and never lay eyes on them...i think trail cams are a great way to share the love of the outdoors as well as educate ourselves about what is going on when we are not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I agree ,, I guess I'm just not able to articulate (type) what I'm trying to get across, without sounding stupidly arrogant .. I know what you mean. My trophy is my trophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Rules are Rules Just like it has been stated above in several different posts that it is the rules of P&Y and this club is ran by members voted in; not some government ran organization. the entry process isn't a hard one, just follow the rules but first and foremost know them before trying to enter an animal, then you will not be discouraged when you haven't met one of their rules for your animal taken. Their rules are fairly simple and posted on the internet for everyone to see. When I started bowhunting, I read and followed (and still do) all P&Y rules, just in case I did take a P&Y animal. The 65% let-off rule being moved up to the 80% let-off was primarily pushed by the bow manufacturers pushing that, with al the new bows being made in that let-off and bringing in more bowhunters which was a needed kick for bowhunting. I doubt very seriously that lighted nocks will be as big as the 80% let-off bows being sold, it's not going to make or break bowhunting or archery manufacturing if they aren't being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoytguy Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 If they are worried about a battery and a light to see where your arrow went, then by all means on our way to the stand we all should leave our flash lights in the truck. "MENTAL NOTE" after the harvest just slip in a standard nock.....how will they know ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 If they are worried about a battery and a light to see where your arrow went, then by all means on our way to the stand we all should leave our flash lights in the truck. "MENTAL NOTE" after the harvest just slip in a standard nock.....how will they know ??? I too thought about that, but if I have to be dishonest (not illegal) to enter an animal into a record book, why bother entering at all? I e-mailed some questions to P&Y (I am an associate member) and I posted their replies in the pro-staff room under the thread "Debate Time". Check it out if interested. I doubt lighted nocks (not "knocks" Tink) will be allowed any time soon. Initially I wasn't planning to use them, but now I'm contemplating using them anyway. I do not feel they give the hunter an unfair advantage in shooting the animal or even making a good hit. I do feel they may help recover an animal which in my "book" is more important than entering it in any other "book". On the other hand I'm a proponent of keeping things simple. The more tech the greater the chance for the tech to malfunction. Not sure how much of an impact a malfunctioning lighted nock would have? Perhaps it might start blinking for no reason? Something I'll have to think about for a while. >Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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