buckbuster11 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I know a bunch of us here aren't real big Favre fans, but now it seems like Favres teammates aren't real big Favre fans either. This dude just needs to hang em up already. Thomas Jones on Favre....... "We're a team and we win together ... but at the same time, you can't turn the ball over and expect to win," Jones said in an interview Tuesday with New York Hot 97 FM. Favre threw three interceptions in the Jets' season-ending 24-17 loss to Miami that clinched the AFC East for the Dolphins. "The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that's just reality," Jones told the radio station. "If I were to sit here and say, 'Oh, man, it's OK,' that's not reality. ... I don't like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it. "If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game," Jones told Hot 97 FM. "You're jeopardizing the whole team because you're having a bad day. To me, that's not fair to everybody else. You're not the only one on the team. So when you get to the wire and somebody is just giving the game up, I mean, it's just not [fair]." "In this league, when you're the head coach or the quarterback and things don't go well, you're going to get a lot of the blame," safety Kerry Rhodes said earlier this week, adding that if Favre chooses to commit to the Jets for his 19th NFL season, he's got to be all in. "If he's dedicated and he wants to come back and do this, and do it the right way ... and be here when we're here in training camp and the minicamps and working out with us ... then I'm fine with it," Rhodes said. "But don't come back if it's going to be half-hearted or he doesn't want to put the time in with us." A veteran Jets player, quoted anonymously by Newsday, described Favre as a "distant" teammate who, when at the Jets' practice facility, spent his down time away from teammates in an office specially designated for him. "There was a lot of resentment in the room about him. He never socialized with us, never went to dinner with anyone," the player told Newsday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireStrut Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 He should of stayed retired. He was great once, now he is just making himself look bad. My two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Wow....guess he shoulda thought this out just a little more before he made a snap decision to un-retire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I know a bunch of us here aren't real big Favre fans, but now it seems like Favres teammates aren't real big Favre fans either. This dude just needs to hang em up already. A veteran Jets player, quoted anonymously by Newsday, described Favre as a "distant" teammate who, when at the Jets' practice facility, spent his down time away from teammates in an office specially designated for him. "There was a lot of resentment in the room about him. He never socialized with us, never went to dinner with anyone," the player told Newsday. Duh........ Thats because he bleeds Green and Gold and never really thought it would go this far. He never really wanted to be in New York, just look back at his first interview holding up the Jets jersey. He had the "this really sucks" look all over his face. The whole thing blew up last summer and the ending is what it is. Arguably the best QB career in the NFL will be tarnished forever. However, he will always be loved in Green Bay and all of Wisconsin, me included. Afterall....... he's Brett Favre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I have to laugh at the comments from these Jets players. They act like they would have this great of a season without Brett Favre. They have their best season in yeeears and when they come an inch short of the playoffs, they blame the old man. As for him possible not returning to the NFL. SURPRISE! Let the Brett Favre soap opera begin again!!! Everyone knew that Brett didn't want to go to New York. But when you bite the hand that fed you, you get what you deserve. I hope he retires and disappears. He has done nothing but disgrace himself and his Packers fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 The Jets lost the last 4 games of the season because of Favre's poor play. Thats why they didnt make the playoffs. Favre should of stayed retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 One man team ... got to love it .... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMn106 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 A team does not consist of one man. Does Favre deserve some blame? Yes, but not all of it. I did not see the defense stepping up and stopping teams either. Thomas Jones, 10 rushes for 23 yards. 2.3 yards a carry. That is not stepping up at all. One of Favres interceptions was not his fault, his one receiver had a hand on the ball and the other did not even move. Not to mention he was playing with a torn biceps tendon. I just don't see how everyone can degrade on one of the best QBs to play the game. He elevated that team to a better team and winning record on the brink of making the playoffs. I do agree with the Kerry Rhodes statement though, if he comes back, with a new offense he needs the time to learn it. I think with the Packers he knew the offense so he could get away with it, not now. I personally hope he comes back, I am a big Favre fan. The passion that he plays the game with is unmatched and I think he is still one of the top 10 QBs in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 It is hard to win in the NFL when your QB throws as many interceptions as touchdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Just a reminder...your's truly had this guy pegged about 3-4 years ago and you all said I was being unfair. Egotism and selfishness are ruining this guy's legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 All you guys saying that its not a one man team, you need to tell Favre that. Because it seems like he is thinks that he is the only one that matters. If his injury was so bad, he should have did whats best for the team and sat out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Just a reminder...your's truly had this guy pegged about 3-4 years ago and you all said I was being unfair. Egotism and selfishness are ruining this guy's legacy. back then, you were wrong :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Just a reminder...your's truly had this guy pegged about 3-4 years ago and you all said I was being unfair. Bull roar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMn106 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 All you guys saying that its not a one man team, you need to tell Favre that. Because it seems like he is thinks that he is the only one that matters. If his injury was so bad, he should have did whats best for the team and sat out. Should he sit out if he is still better than the backup when he is injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Should he sit out if he is still better than the backup when he is injured? By that do you mean his backup would have thrown 4 INTs opposed to 3? How are you so sure he's that much better than the backup? He's a bum. Most overrated QB of all-time. After a good start, the guy threw 2 TDs vs. 9 INTs and blew their season for them. He had his own private office in the lockerroom and didn't even spend time with the team. He also cost a decent coach his job. Not to mention, his lack of respect for the Packers as he waviered on whether or not to return every single offseason for the last 4 years did serious damage to that franchise and adding major distractions. Yet, people love the grizzly-faced iron man. I'm at a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMn106 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 By that do you mean his backup would have thrown 4 INTs opposed to 3? How are you so sure he's that much better than the backup? He's a bum. Most overrated QB of all-time. After a good start, the guy threw 2 TDs vs. 9 INTs and blew their season for them. He had his own private office in the lockerroom and didn't even spend time with the team. He also cost a decent coach his job. Not to mention, his lack of respect for the Packers as he waviered on whether or not to return every single offseason for the last 4 years did serious damage to that franchise and adding major distractions. Yet, people love the grizzly-faced iron man. I'm at a loss. If by serious damage you mean Super Bowl wins, then yea. He also took the team to I believe a 13-3 record and one game before the superbowl. What happened this season in Green Bay? but I forgot that was Favre fault even though he wasnt there. So you are telling me that with the back up QB the jets would have had a better record? Beat the Titans and the Patriots? I have a hard time believing that. So the guy could not make up his mind the last couple of years. What is the big deal? We have all done that before. If Green Bay wanted to move on they could have before last year but obvisouly they thought he could still play since they waited for him. And most overrated? Come on please. The guy owns pretty much every record a QB can have. Yes I know even Interceptions. Along with a couple of MVP awards and Super Bowl rings. Yep that is what I call overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 If by serious damage you mean Super Bowl wins, then yea. He also took the team to I believe a 13-3 record and one game before the superbowl. What happened this season in Green Bay? but I forgot that was Favre fault even though he wasnt there. So you are telling me that with the back up QB the jets would have had a better record? Beat the Titans and the Patriots? I have a hard time believing that. So the guy could not make up his mind the last couple of years. What is the big deal? We have all done that before. If Green Bay wanted to move on they could have before last year but obvisouly they thought he could still play since they waited for him. And most overrated? Come on please. The guy owns pretty much every record a QB can have. Yes I know even Interceptions. Along with a couple of MVP awards and Super Bowl rings. Yep that is what I call overrated. Correction. Super Bowl WIN. Which gives him just as many as Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson. And by damage, I mean keeping your franchise from knowing which direction to move while you take your sweet time deciding whether or not you want to play again. Causing so much drama and refusing to help your eventual replacement in Aaron Rodgers. That's what I mean by damage. If you're looking at the situation from an unbiased opinion, it's pretty darn classless too. So the guy could not make up his mind the last couple of years. What is the big deal? If you ask Brett Favre. Nothing. And most overrated? Come on please. The guy owns pretty much every record a QB can have. Yes I know even Interceptions. Along with a couple of MVP awards and Super Bowl rings Yes. Overrated. If they gave an award for toughness and longevity...he'd win, hands down. Can't take that away from the guy. But that's not how I measure talent. Sure, you can wrack up TDs and yardage, and huge #s of INTs if you play into your 40s, but that doesn't make you an all-time great. And again, it's Super Bowl RING...not rings. He's good, sure. But not nearly as good as people make out- and by that definition...he's overrated. A strong arm coupled with terrible decision making shouldn't make you anything else. btw- he has 28 PLAYOFF interceptions. I think that # is more telling than any other one you can throw out there. School's out Super. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 He also took the team to I believe a 13-3 record and one game before the superbowl. What happened this season in Green Bay? but I forgot that was Favre fault even though he wasnt there. Ask the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 He also took the team to I believe a 13-3 record and one game before the superbowl. What happened this season in Green Bay? The defense was horrible, with three of the eleven starters out most of the year. They lost 7 games by 4 points or less. In quite a few of those games they were ahead towards the end, only to have the defense give up points and cost them the win. Rodgers had over 4000 yards, 32 total TD's and only 13 INT's. Of the 13 picks, only 1 was in a game they won. The rest were after they had fallen behind (thanks to the defense) and had to pass to get back into the game. 32 TD's and 13 INT's is just slightly better than 23 total TD's and 22 INT's. Green Bay wouldn't have been any better with Favre this year. Green Bay would have easily been an 11 to 13 win team had the defense stayed healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) Causing so much drama and refusing to help your eventual replacement in Aaron Rodgers. That's what I mean by damage. I have to comment on this particular hot air from Muggs. My wife and I had a pretty heated discussion about this when it was first reported that he said he isn't going to help Rodgers. I can totally see his point of view. It wasn't his job to get Rodgers ready to play in the NFL. It was Rodgers' job to study and learn the position. If he did that by watching Favre then ok. I don't see that Favre should have went out of his way to teach him to play QB. As for the rest of your insane ramblings, well what else should be expected from somebody who roots for a collective sports scene that hasn't won any type of championship is what 20 years? Edited January 2, 2009 by c_lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 And just to put to rest any idea that I may be a Farve-lover, I will go to my grave saying that Reggie White was the reason the Packers won in 96. Don't get me wrong, Favre is the best ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) I have to comment on this particular hot air from Muggs. My wife and I had a pretty heated discussion about this when it was first reported that he said he isn't going to help Rodgers. I can totally see his point of view. It wasn't his job to get Rodgers ready to play in the NFL. It was Rodgers' job to study and learn the position. If he did that by watching Favre then ok. I don't see that Favre should have went out of his way to teach him to play QB. Nobody said it was his job, or required of him in any way. But I usually measure a man's character by the things he does that aren't required of him. btw- it's been over 40 years. Edited January 2, 2009 by muggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I can't believe I'm about to say this but, I agree with everything muggs has posted. Favre is the most overrated NFL player I have seen in my lifetime. I'm not sure if the Jets backup QB would have done much better, but I do know the QB the Jets had last year just knocked Favre and his Jets right out of the playoffs with a team that only won 1 game last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorden Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Correction. Super Bowl WIN. Which gives him just as many as Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson... And one more than argueably the best QB of all time Dan Marino...Brett has broken almost all of Marinos records and yet many dont even consider him in the top ten QB's of all time. ...Sure, you can wrack up TDs and yardage, and huge #s of INTs if you play into your 40s, but that doesn't make you an all-time great... Funny how everyone says that "oh the reason Brett broke all those records is because he's played so long" when it took Marino 17 seasons to establish his records and Brett broke them in 16 ...And again, it's Super Bowl RING...not rings.... Again one more than Marino;) ...btw- he has 28 PLAYOFF interceptions. I think that # is more telling than any other one you can throw out there..... Yet Brett's playoff record(12-10) is better than Marino's(8-10) ...He's good, sure. But not nearly as good as people make out- and by that definition...he's overrated. A strong arm coupled with terrible decision making shouldn't make you anything else... Yet in his 16 seasons with the Packers they had one losing season, 7 division titles, 11 playoff appearences(their first coming in '92 after a 10 year absence), 4 NFC championship games, 2 NFC titles, 2 Super Bowl appearences, 1 Super Bowl victory, 10 Pro Bowl selections, 3 time MVP, nearly every major passing record, and oh ya 291 consecutive starts including playoffs... but ya he is definitely overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Brett Farve made chuck norris cry........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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