fly Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Wow! I new muzzleloaders were accurate, but this morning I was in awe. Using 100 grains I sighted in at 50 yards. Once I made the scope corrections I was center bullseye. My second shot was in the same hole as the first! The third shot was less than 1/2 inch from center. Not bad considering I was just using a lawn chair for a rest. I went to 75 yards and still center bullseye and at 35 yards the same. All shots were within 1 inch groups. On the negative side: I did have one cap not go off???? (cocked the hammer a second time and boom) I also has one cap go off an no boom????? The second cap did the trick. I'm a little concerned about pulling the trigger and no boom when it really counts. I'm sold on the accuracy though. Do you find certain caps better than others? I'm using Winchester triple 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Can you give a few more specs on your setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I had the same trouble with the Winchester Primers ,, the Triple 7 Pellets are awsome but IMHO the primers suck .. Give the CCI Primers a try ,, I haven't had a miss fire with them yet .. One thing is to be sure you are ramming the bullet down tight on the the powder charge as well ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Trying to remember, and I cannot say as though I can remember ever having had a misfire with my inline Frank. I tried winchester primers and went back to the remington hot percussion caps, did not like the primers with my setup as it was cumbersome to get the primers out without a tool with the way it is setup with the scope. Never had any issue with the percussion caps with pyrodex, triple 7, or american pioneer powders either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted January 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Can you give a few more specs on your setup? Remington Genesis. 100 grains american pioneer powder. 250 grain sabot hollow point. Winchester triple seven caps. Thanks for the info guys. The Winchester caps get a little stuck sometimes and since I have no finger nails I have a little trouble getting them out as you mentioned William. Is there something different with the Remington caps (perhaps the lip is larger or something?) Luke, what about the CCI primers? Are they easy to get out? I did have to use the tool to get the Winchester primers out, but I just figured that would be the case with any primaer as the carbon builds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I found that the CCI Primers didn't expand quite as much and YES were easier to remove from the breech plug after being shot. With the Winchester primers I was always having to use my capper tool to remove the spent primer .. but the thing that really did it for me were the primers that wouldn't fire at all ... Also the CCI Primers are a touch hotter than the Winchester primers, making for a more consistent burn and IMO, which mean NO miss fires if the powder is dry .. Good luck with that ML ,, it seems to be a real shooter .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Thanks for the info guys. The Winchester caps get a little stuck sometimes and since I have no finger nails I have a little trouble getting them out as you mentioned William. Is there something different with the Remington caps (perhaps the lip is larger or something?) There is a primer/depriming tool you can get if you do not have one Frank. I switched away from the shotgun primers and went back to the #11 percussion caps, my black diamond came with the nipples for using musket caps, percussion caps, or the shotgun primers. The percussion caps work well for us and we don't need a tool to remove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I use 120 grains of fffg American Pioneer powder in my TC Encore. I previously shot 295 gr Powerbelts but now went to the Hornady SSTs in 300gr. Both shot well, but the Powerbelts gave poor bloodtrails for both me and my brother. I use CCI 209 primers. I tried the Triple 7 primers and found they were WAY dirtier than my regular old CCIs. So I stuck with regular CCI 209s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I use an older Remington 700ML. If you are using Pyrodex pellets make sure the black shiny part of the pellet goes in first when the cap will ignite it. I found if I accidentally flipped it the other way I would not get it to fire. I think that black stuff must have something in it to help the power burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawiram Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 the black stuff is black powder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 the black stuff is black powder :confused::confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 the black stuff is black powder No it is darker than the powder. Must be stuff like was matches just blackened. Perhaps if they gave it a red colour I would not have made the mistake especially in the dark when you set up on your stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 the black stuff is black powder I agree with kawiram. I don't remember where I read it, but they said black powder burns eaiser so the use it to iginte the pellets. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawiram Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 "Pyrodex pellets are a sophisticated rocket fuel type propellant, more related to an Estes rocket engine than black powder. They consist of a black igniter portion on one side of the base; although called an "ignition accelerant," this is nothing more than good old black powder." Got this from the link below. http://www.chuckhawks.com/difference_black_powders.htm Good bit of reading in the link. Im new to ML hunting, just got a TC, so ive been doing research out the wazoo to learn all I can before I see what works for me. Havent shot it yet, saving up for a Nikon Omega scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawiram Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Probably look different due to whatever they use to get it to stick together. I agree if it was a different color it would be helpful. I figure i'll use the speed shot tubes, and load them before I head out, then no need to worry if I loaded it right in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbahunter Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Sticking 209 primers There is a primer/depriming tool you can get if you do not have one Frank. I switched away from the shotgun primers and went back to the #11 percussion caps, my black diamond came with the nipples for using musket caps, percussion caps, or the shotgun primers. The percussion caps work well for us and we don't need a tool to remove them. If you are having problems with sticking primers, you might want to try putting a little breach plug lube on a cotton swab and lube the inside of the primer hole. I have a couple T/C Omega's and they will use any type of primers, but my Encore Endeavor only works with CCI primers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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