stevebeilgard Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 In all my years I never would have expected to have my grammar corrected by the maker of Tink's 69! Thanks Tink. well, at least it was your grammar and not your grandpar:D:D. nick made a good point with the nock not helping you shoot any better. that would be a good one to put to the p&y rules committee for a possible change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Pretty straight forward answers there. Reasonable answers to reasonable questions. The lighted nock thing. Its electronic yeah..., but it did not help you make the shot. The hunter still has to do that. Thanks for sharing the responses from P&Y. That settles any questions I had...Thanks Fly;) I agree with the lighted nock issue that people disagree with. I dont use them but I cant see how they make anyone shoot any better with them than without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 But you can take that 140" animal with bow, crossbow, gun, muzzleloader, truck, etc...... P&Y is for archery only, and then there is some requirements you have to meet after that. P&Y = more prestigious. BBBC = really nice bucks, and a green jacket with your bucks score embroidered into the breast. Pretty tacky.....but that's just me. To me, a 125" deer shot with archery tackle is more impressive than a 140" deer shot with a muzzleloader at 150 yards. A 140" deer shot with archery tackle is pretty impressive as well though.... But the ultimate question is are you more impressed with a 150" deer that was taken with a regular nock as opposed to a lighted one.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Would an animal be eligible if a drive was being used and the drivers were communicating with the standers via telephone or walkie talkie? If the communication was "it is a nice day" - no problem. If thecommunication was "GET READY THE DEER ARE COMING" the animal would NOT be eligible. CODES CODES.... its all about CODES lol:D:D Momma needs a new diamond ring to take to the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Momma needs a new diamond ring to take to the clubs. Chris, shouldn't that be DaDa needs a new mount on the wall .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 But you can take that 140" animal with bow, crossbow, gun, muzzleloader, truck, etc...... P&Y is for archery only, and then there is some requirements you have to meet after that. P&Y = more prestigious. BBBC = really nice bucks, and a green jacket with your bucks score embroidered into the breast. Pretty tacky.....but that's just me. To me, a 125" deer shot with archery tackle is more impressive than a 140" deer shot with a muzzleloader at 150 yards. A 140" deer shot with archery tackle is pretty impressive as well though.... Yeah but...........ahhhh, never mind. DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Likewise...it's the pot calling the "kettle" black. Not kernel, not kennel..."kettle." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 2. Would an animal be eligible for entry if a trail/game camera was used to locate the animal one or more days prior to the day of the hunt (not the day of the hunt)? It would be eligible as long as the trail camera did not transmit the photo electronically, ie. you had to go out to the trail camera to retrieve the photo 5. Would an animal be eligible for entry if a rangefinder was used on the animal prior to the shot? (Would it be eligible if only trees or other markers were ranged, not the animal?) No problem if the rangefinder is not attached to the bow. 6. Would an animal be eligible if a game ear (such as Walker's game ear) were used? No problem on accepting an animal. . Seems like P&Y just arbitrarily pull these rules out of their backsides. The trailcamera one really cracks me up....it's ok if you walk out and check it? What's this got to do with anything other than most of them on the board must use trailcameras! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAhunter14 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 regarding the ladder half above, i feel that it isn't guiding, but more or less, increasing the odds of seeing a specific animal. Souns like guiding to me.:confused: If it increased your odds then it aided you to kill the animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layin on the smackdown Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Souns like guiding to me.:confused: If it increased your odds then it aided you to kill the animal. i think there is a large difference between guiding and scouting. I guided for 4 years at a hunt club in Norhtern illinois, and guiding is basically an effort to put the hunter on game, or bringing game to the hunter (however you want to look at it). Pictures from trail cameras from previous days is not putting a hunter on game by any means. If that was the case, i would venture to guess there would be a lot more pictures of giant deer on the success thread... as most of us here who deer hunt use trail cams, and have some shooters on film that are still walking around right now. Just because we have pictures of deer on film, doesn't mean we will harvest that animal...much less ever lay eyes on him again. just because someone plays the lottery, doesnt mean they are going to win...mathematicaly, the more you play, the more your odds go up, but that doesn't mean squat in the lottery, and the same goes for trail cam pics and harvesting a deer. you still gotta beat nature, and put the shot where it counts. Way too much room fore error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Question .... Isn't the purpose of a trail cam to aide in locating and patterning game ?? Thus improving your chances of seeing game or one specific animal in a certain predetermined area ... Electronic Scouting right ?? ... And this rangefinder things really gets me ,, just because it's mounted on the bow, makes it that much more effective in the eye's of P&Y than raising it up with your arm ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Question .... Isn't the purpose of a trail cam to aide in locating and patterning game ?? Thus improving your chances of seeing game or one specific animal in a certain predetermined area ... Electronic Scouting right ?? ... And this rangefinder things really gets me ,, just because it's mounted on the bow, makes it that much more effective in the eye's of P&Y than raising it up with your arm ... That's the impression I got and why I asked the previous question...again it does'nt really matter to me but the question seems pertainent to the conversation. I can see where the "Lack of Motion" involved when using a bow mounted rangefinder gives the hunter an edge due to the electronics abilities. It's my impression that alot of hunters use the scoring system devised simply to judge the total amount of antler growth and never actually enter thier trophies into the books because of one or more infractions. Though I'm sure some lie about meeting the requirements to get thier buck in there. What does it really matter anyways? To have your name in a book so that other people see it? Wheres the trophy in that?...I just dont see it as an accomplishment to strive for. If there was a Book for hitting where you aimed...that is a book I want my name in...EVERY SHOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 "What does it really matter anyways? To have your name in a book so that other people see it? Wheres the trophy in that?...I just dont see it as an accomplishment to strive for." Gary, A lot of people feel the way you do and the P&Y / B&C club may not be for them. My 07 buck made it into B&C (just barely) and I'm planning to enter it. Why? I think the certificate will look nice in my office next to the mount. It's a conversation piece and something for my relatives to see every time they come over. For years the had their comments about the small deer I have harvested. Now all I'll have to do is point and that will quite them down quickly. Would I enter the deer if my name did not go into the record book? Certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Doesn't really matter to me at all considering I won't ever shoot a P&Y or B&C animal ... Would I enter one if I did .. I would have to be honest and say most certainly .. I'm just trying to figure out what these clubs are trying to say in the way of justification on some of their rules .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 ...Would I enter the deer if my name did not go into the record book? Certainly. That in my book makes it a "Trophy";) I dont mean to give the wrong impression to anyone. I like being recognized by my fellow hunters just like the next person here... I strive each year to enter Trophies...into the "Trinity OCC Club";) (Onions, Carrots, and Celery)MMMMMM:p No Deductions for unbalanced amount of side dishes:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Don't these game record keeping organizations(P&Y and B&C) charge to get and keep your name in "THE" book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Don't these game record keeping organizations(P&Y and B&C) charge to get and keep your name in "THE" book? Pope & Young charges a 35.00 (recently went up from 25.00) recording fee. One does not have to be a member of the club to enter an animal. Once entered the animal always stays listed. I'm pretty sure B&C is about the same. However, they have an Awards book and a All-Time book. The Awards book is published every 3 years. The All-Time every 6 years. Animals can make the Awards book with a lower score than the All-Time book. For example: Typical Whitetail minimum score for Awards is 160 and for All-Time 170. From B&C: "The All-time minimum score is the higher of the two minimum scores, and qualifies a trophy for the All-time book, Records of North American Big Game. Trophies that qualify for the All-time minimum are listed in each new edition of the All-time book. Trophies that qualify for the Awards minimum, but not the All-time minimum, will appear in the Awards book, published every three years, one time only. All trophy owners who have a trophy that scores at or above the Awards or All-time Awards minimum will receive a wall certificate, have their trophy listed in one issue of Fair Chase magazine and corresponding records book publications." So my 162 inch deer will make the next Awards book and that's it. The Awards book published after the one my deer will be in will not have my deer listed. In addition it will not make the All-Time book because it wasn't 170 inches. All animals making the All-Time book stay in the book each time it is published (every 7 years). Edited January 7, 2009 by fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 My thoughts are, that the rules just haven't kept up with technology. It's the same with the hunting laws here, they state that you are not allowed to use an illuminating device for hunting, which makes little sense in today's world, since the regs were written about 50 years ago.. Those rules, and the way they read were meant to discourage pit-lampers and poachers, not honest law abiding hunters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Don't these game record keeping organizations(P&Y and B&C) charge to get and keep your name in "THE" book? No. One time entry fee. $35 for Pope, $25 for BBB. I'll let you know about Boone as soon as I shoot a qualifier. If you want to be a member, I think Pope is $25 a year, and so is BBB, but that has nothing to do with your entry. Once you're in, you're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I have a light on my sight, however I probably really do not need it, guess I may need to take it off before I go to hunt with Randy this fall just in case I happen to get lucky enough to arrow a poper. Because even though I am really not concerned about the books, YES if I killed one I would want the option of entering it in the books, even though I really do not necessarily agree with all the rules and on what they consider to be unfair advantages over the animals. I do plan on videoing the hunts too, but the camera will not be attached to the bow, so it should be ok.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well whatever the case as far as the rules go these people don't mess around...Don't get caught muddying up the truth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendog Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well whatever the case as far as the rules go these people don't mess around...Don't get caught muddying up the truth... Man if i only had photoshop on my computer:D I have had my camera mounted to my bow, i know it is not an advantage and is actually a hindrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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