Guest shorty785 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 well thank you 2 all who accepted my apology, i understand what i did and will guarantee i will not do it again the consequences are too high to jeopradize my life and friendships again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Apology accepted....you learned from your mistake, just remind yourself of what you did wrong so instead you can do right... You don't need to feel any less of a man, whatever is going on in your life, and try to prove yourself...just being yourself and being honest to others and yourself is what really matters. Just remember Who died for all our sins.... Well said Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Wow what a huge dlouble standard we run here when it comes to lieing ... and it seriously surprises me ... we have a member who lies and then admits it and he gets banned for life never to be able to post on RT again and we have a member who lies and get cogradulated for lieing and then telling the truth ... seriously what is it you mods need to make a stand and decide if lieing to the forums is ok then lif the ban on RyanH right now if not then you need to do what you need to with shorty ... sorry you cant have it both ways its the biggest double standard Ive seen here in a long while. Figure it out and do what you have to do ... a lie is a lie and its exactly the same thing Ryan got banned for. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (edited) You do have a point, but there are some KEY differences. The main one to me is that Trevor is just a kid. Kids make mistakes and learn from them, adults should know better. I think thats the main reason trevor has been allowed to stay. But you do have a VERY solid point bud. Edited January 13, 2009 by The_Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Age has nothing to do with it ... hes old enough to know what he did was wrong ... same as Ryan ... he lied same as Ryan ... he said he was sorry ... same as Ryan ... no difference ... like I said its not that he lied or that he said he was sorry ... its how everyone said it was ok and that they understood but when Ryan did it we wanted to lynch him up and we banned him for life ... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Age has nothing to do with it ... hes old enough to know what he did was wrong ... same as Ryan ... he lied same as Ryan ... he said he was sorry ... same as Ryan ... no difference ... like I said its not that he lied or that he said he was sorry ... its how everyone said it was ok and that they understood but when Ryan did it we wanted to lynch him up and we banned him for life ... Steve I'll go ahead and speak for myself on the "Ryan" issue. I wasn't around when it happened, so I'm not part of the "everyone" in the above quote. I was taught that when someone asks for forgiveness, I was to forgive them. That is what I have done and I stick by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'll go ahead and speak for myself on the "Ryan" issue. I wasn't around when it happened, so I'm not part of the "everyone" in the above quote. I was taught that when someone asks for forgiveness, I was to forgive them. That is what I have done and I stick by it. Exactly Ryan did the Exact same thing ... he was banned ... Im not saying shorty should get banned ... just if you arent going to let Ryan back in ... its actually quite simple ... I'm all for second chances too ... believe it or not there are a lot of ppl here that would like to see ryan back on the forums he actually has a pretty good rep over at Archery Talk and I think he would be a good assett to the forums ... everyone grows up eventually. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 If we are going to have a vote on who to let back in, can we vote on who to kick out? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Btw Steve, I agree. A lie is a lie. Perhaps eveyone was just ready to linch Ryan because they got involved on an emotional level (because of his Mom). Still, a lie is a lie. If we are going to have a vote on who to let back in, can we vote on who to kick out? :D You cant boot P. He's a mod.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 If we are going to have a vote on who to let back in, can we vote on who to kick out? :D Who said anything about a vote ... this isn't a democracy ... it's the Realtree Forums Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Wow what a huge dlouble standard we run here when it comes to lieing ... and it seriously surprises me ... we have a member who lies and then admits it and he gets banned for life never to be able to post on RT again and we have a member who lies and get cogradulated for lieing and then telling the truth ... seriously what is it you mods need to make a stand and decide if lieing to the forums is ok then lif the ban on RyanH right now if not then you need to do what you need to with shorty ... sorry you cant have it both ways its the biggest double standard Ive seen here in a long while. Figure it out and do what you have to do ... a lie is a lie and its exactly the same thing Ryan got banned for. Steve Not that this "explanation" will appease you, I will offer this: You are wrong about age holding no value. Our society and legal system supports this. Let the punishment fit the crime. I was not a mod when Ryan was banned. Trust me, ban was talked about in the case of Shorty, and in my mind he's still not out of the woods. In some cases there is a democracy when it comes to ban vs. no ban. Depends on what other mods have to say. If you're that upset about it, well, draw you own conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Not that this "explanation" will appease you, I will offer this: You are wrong about age holding no value. Our society and legal system supports this. Let the punishment fit the crime. I was not a mod when Ryan was banned. Trust me, ban was talked about in the case of Shorty, and in my mind he's still not out of the woods. In some cases there is a democracy when it comes to ban vs. no ban. Depends on what other mods have to say. If you're that upset about it, well, draw you own conclusions. Same boat here, was not a mod when Ryan was banned either. Think Chris's answer above is as good an answer as could be given. Also might want to remember the nature of the deceit that Ryan was involved in. Was a lot of people genuinely concerned about his situation, and he let us believe that ongoing for a while before coming clean. Will also remind our members that Ryan was not the only user banned for being deceitful here, there have have been a few since who have been banned on the same premise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Like sands through the hourglass, these are the Days or Our Lives....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Also might want to remember the nature of the deceit that Ryan was involved in. Was a lot of people genuinely concerned about his situation, and he let us believe that ongoing for a while before coming clean. Ryan never really did come clean on his own. He was found out by others and exposed. Then and only then did he apologize, which was insincere at the time and an excuse instead of an apology, and then lied even then about the circumstances behind his "excuse". Not only the nature of the deceit that Ryan was involved in got him banned, but the lengths he was willing to take it to, even after he was exposed. I forgive Ryan now, because I've talked to him since those events. That's all I have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 (edited) I have reason to believe that there is more to the story, but it is not my place to expand on what little I know. May the powers that be come to the ultimate decision with what is before them. Edited January 13, 2009 by ruttinbuc continuity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have reason to believe that there more to the story, but it is not my place to expand on what little I know. Very true. Like I said, he's not out of the woods yet. As to the original post, I accept the apology, I'm all for forgiveness, but there is a definite aire of distrust for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Shorty...I'd accept your apoligy but I dont have any reason to do so. I simply dont feel that you owe me one. I dont feel that you hurt anyone but yourself by doing what you did. How you decide to live from this point on will be the measure of the Man you will become. When you look back at your life you'll have to live with what you see. I'm fairly sure that if we are all honest with ourselves there have been times of failure. Any one of us who feels we have become a better person since then made a decision to do so...then acted upon that decision. You do however have my compassion for what you seem to be going through. Having the feeling that the path you've taken was the wrong one you actually did something about it. I see that as a step in the right direction...pain is a great motivator to change direction. Allowing room for error or weakness is admitting that your human. Forgiveness you asked for...better try giving that to yourself as a start. No one is tied to thier errors or weaknesses with a bungee cord that snaps them back into doing the same thing over again. Those are choices that people make because they feel it will get them what they want. So in response to your original post about what happened: Did you get what you wanted? Was it worth it? What choices are you going to make now? Whatever happens I wish you a good life full of joy. Those of us who feel they have found at least a decent measure of that wont deny what got us to this point. Often it's not where your at that brings the joy...but being honest to yourself about where you've come from that makes you truely happy with where your at. P.S. Sorry if this seems long winded...some people will understand why;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I was not a mod when RyanH was banned either...and now this post is getting off topic.... Shorty started this post to apologize...not for others to rag on him and other people about whether it's a right or wrong thing to do. If you have issues, PM the person or a mod....don't bring it out on here.... RyanH has nothing to do with Shorty...similar issue, but this is not then...this is now...leave the past alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'll accept your apology shorty, even though I wasn't in the chat room when you said that. This is in no way comparable to the lies Ryan told. This kid made something up, for what? to try and impress someone, then came clean on his own. Ryan on the other hand made a promise to someone, then made up that HORRIBLE lie to get out of it, and had everyone here worried about his family. Then, only after people here called his bluff, did he decide to come clean. Not everyone here wanted to lynch Ryan, I myself accepted his apology, but I also understood why he was banned for it. These situations are in no way the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Wow what a huge dlouble standard we run here when it comes to lieing ... and it seriously surprises me ... we have a member who lies and then admits it and he gets banned for life never to be able to post on RT again and we have a member who lies and get cogradulated for lieing and then telling the truth ... seriously what is it you mods need to make a stand and decide if lieing to the forums is ok then lif the ban on RyanH right now if not then you need to do what you need to with shorty ... sorry you cant have it both ways its the biggest double standard Ive seen here in a long while. Figure it out and do what you have to do ... a lie is a lie and its exactly the same thing Ryan got banned for. Steve And all this coming from one of the people, along with myself and a few others, so involved in catching RyanH. I just don't know what to say.:confused: As for Ryan being banned, like others have said, his apology wasn't much of one, I know, I talked to him face to face a few days later. But I also think he has learned his lesson, and maybe is a better person now, but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Shorty...I'd accept your apoligy but I dont have any reason to do so. I simply dont feel that you owe me one. I dont feel that you hurt anyone but yourself by doing what you did. How you decide to live from this point on will be the measure of the Man you will become. When you look back at your life you'll have to live with what you see. I'm fairly sure that if we are all honest with ourselves there have been times of failure. Any one of us who feels we have become a better person since then made a decision to do so...then acted upon that decision. You do however have my compassion for what you seem to be going through. Having the feeling that the path you've taken was the wrong one you actually did something about it. I see that as a step in the right direction...pain is a great motivator to change direction. Allowing room for error or weakness is admitting that your human. Forgiveness you asked for...better try giving that to yourself as a start. No one is tied to thier errors or weaknesses with a bungee cord that snaps them back into doing the same thing over again. Those are choices that people make because they feel it will get them what they want. So in response to your original post about what happened: Did you get what you wanted? Was it worth it? What choices are you going to make now? Whatever happens I wish you a good life full of joy. Those of us who feel they have found at least a decent measure of that wont deny what got us to this point. Often it's not where your at that brings the joy...but being honest to yourself about where you've come from that makes you truely happy with where your at. P.S. Sorry if this seems long winded...some people will understand why;) You just can't argue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Is it wrong that I could care less about any of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Is it wrong that I could care less about any of this? "Could" or "couldn't" care less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 "Could" or "couldn't" care less? DB...P Your not..or Yar'nt:D Seems he's rubbed off on you though...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Is it wrong that I could care less about any of this? Nor I... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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