muggs Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 What game were you watching? the one where the Steelers drove down the field in their two minute drill to score the winning TD against a weak Cardinals D. how about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Take off the Homer glasses. Watch the replay. If he wasn't touched by a Steeler player, how was he falling when he hit him. If he wasn't touched, I think the kick is blocked. I've seen the replay a million times. He plowed over the holder which is a 15 yard penalty. It was the easiest call the refs made all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I've seen the replay a million times. He plowed over the holder which is a 15 yard penalty. It was the easiest call the refs made all year. Come on. Million? Plowed? Easiest? Now you're sounding like my buddy Doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 If he wasn't touched by a Steeler player, how was he falling when he hit him. If he wasn't touched, I think the kick is blocked. Yep, would have to agree with this. Might or might not have changed the final outcome of the game. Far as the cardinals defense Eric, they held tight not allowing a touchdown by the steelers offense the whole game up until that last drive. The steelers were supposed to have a better defense, in yet Warner tossed what, 3 td's on them? In comparing, the cardinals defensively did play a better game than the steelers did imo, however they did not play smart and they did get themselves into some penalties that had they avoided might have made for a different outcome to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I am actually watching the VP of officiating in the NFL explain this call on NFL Network as I type this. Wilson was not pushed by a Steeler. He actually pushed a Steeler down on the line of scrimmage and then/than took about 5 steps before running over the place kicker. And the VP official is confirming that the call on the field was correct. So there we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Chief Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 OK lets move on to Baseball now. Go Red Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I watched the game with a retired NCAA Football referee. He did most of his work in the Big 12 conference and retired 6 years ago. He also was a member of a prominate Oklahoma City law firm. He literally LAUGHED his way through this game. Midway through the second quarter, he got up from his chair and stated, "Pittsburgh wins" and went to the kitchen to hang out with the girls. End of the game he said, "They won't give us a penalty breakdown on this one for a while". You can call a penalty on EVERY play in the NFL................when and on who they call them determines the outcome. This one was suspect at best...................it's only a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Yep, would have to agree with this. Might or might not have changed the final outcome of the game. Far as the cardinals defense Eric, they held tight not allowing a touchdown by the steelers offense the whole game up until that last drive. The steelers were supposed to have a better defense, in yet Warner tossed what, 3 td's on them? In comparing, the cardinals defensively did play a better game than the steelers did imo, however they did not play smart and they did get themselves into some penalties that had they avoided might have made for a different outcome to the game. As far as roughing the holder goes- that's the first time I've ever seen that call made- and it was in a Super Bowl. As I said in my original post, it was an over offciated game, but that's not the reason the Cards lost. Sure, Wilson was pushed towards the holder, but he also made no effort to avoid contact. That was on him. The Cards D played okay, but they were non-existent on the final drive, which included Ralph Brown allowing the game winning pass to sail right over his head while his arms were at his side. That guy played for the Browns and they cut him because he was terrible. If you're not good enough for a Browns D that ranks in the bottom 1/4th of the league every year and you're now on a Super Bowl team, that isn't a good defense. You guys can blame the officials all you want, but here's what you should be focusing on. 1.) The interception right before the half. Stupid play call by the Cards to throw the ball in that situation. Just because you have no faith in your running game is not enough reason to completely abandon it in a situation where it's warranted. Even if you don't score a TD, you can tie the game as time expires with a chip shot FG. 10-10 is much better than 17-7. And the play Harrison made was tremendous- also worthy of you guys recognizing it for what it is instead of scapegoating the officials. 2.) The Cards committed a Super Bowl record in penalty yards. Now, you can blame the officials for a few blown calls if you want, but that can't account for 120+ penalty yards committed by an undisciplined team in the biggest game of their lives. btw- the great teams over come bad calls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I am actually watching the VP of officiating in the NFL explain this call on NFL Network as I type this. Wilson was not pushed by a Steeler. He actually pushed a Steeler down on the line of scrimmage and then/than took about 5 steps before running over the place kicker. And the VP official is confirming that the call on the field was correct. So there we have it. OK Doc, whatever you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 1.) The interception right before the half. Stupid play call by the Cards to throw the ball in that situation. Just because you have no faith in your running game is not enough reason to completely abandon it in a situation where it's warranted. Even if you don't score a TD, you can tie the game as time expires with a chip shot FG. 10-10 is much better than 17-7. And the play Harrison made was tremendous- also worthy of you guys recognizing it for what it is instead of scapegoating the officials. 2.) The Cards committed a Super Bowl record in penalty yards. Now, you can blame the officials for a few blown calls if you want, but that can't account for 120+ penalty yards committed by an undisciplined team in the biggest game of their lives. btw- the great teams over come bad calls... I was really rooting for the Cards but its hard to argue this. The interception return literally was the difference in the game. Which is unfortunate cuz I think Kurt was easily the games MVP even with the pic.... And the penalties were so deflating and really made the cards look like a first time super bowl team. I was worried about this two weeks before in their NFC championship game. It seemed they were a hairs breath away from imploding in the Philly game....but they overcame them. But it killed them against Pitt. Even though two calls were questionable...but every game has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 As far as roughing the holder goes- that's the first time I've ever seen that call made- and it was in a Super Bowl. As I said in my original post, it was an over offciated game, but that's not the reason the Cards lost. Sure, Wilson was pushed towards the holder, but he also made no effort to avoid contact. That was on him. The Cards D played okay, but they were non-existent on the final drive, which included Ralph Brown allowing the game winning pass to sail right over his head while his arms were at his side. That guy played for the Browns and they cut him because he was terrible. If you're not good enough for a Browns D that ranks in the bottom 1/4th of the league every year and you're now on a Super Bowl team, that isn't a good defense. You guys can blame the officials all you want, but here's what you should be focusing on. 1.) The interception right before the half. Stupid play call by the Cards to throw the ball in that situation. Just because you have no faith in your running game is not enough reason to completely abandon it in a situation where it's warranted. Even if you don't score a TD, you can tie the game as time expires with a chip shot FG. 10-10 is much better than 17-7. And the play Harrison made was tremendous- also worthy of you guys recognizing it for what it is instead of scapegoating the officials. 2.) The Cards committed a Super Bowl record in penalty yards. Now, you can blame the officials for a few blown calls if you want, but that can't account for 120+ penalty yards committed by an undisciplined team in the biggest game of their lives. btw- the great teams over come bad calls... Well said muggsbow, well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 OK Doc, whatever you say. Go shoot your bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Go shoot your bow. Can't. Pulled my hammy and tore my Sepulveda the other day, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 the one where the Steelers drove down the field in their two minute drill to score the winning TD against a weak Cardinals D. how about you? Same game, my friend. Big Ben was running for his life most of the time was lucky more than anything. Fail to mention that the cards won in everything but the score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Can't. Pulled my hammy and tore my Sepulveda the other day, remember? Your whodapulveda?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Your whodapulveda?! My Sepulveda, you know, the leg bone connects to the kneebone, the kneebone connects to the Sepulveda.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkinslinger Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 If ..if ...if ...if ....you know the saying....IF my Aunt had ..well you know...she'd be my Uncle!!! 6 TIME CHAMPIONS!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAhunter14 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Same game, my friend. Big Ben was running for his life most of the time was lucky more than anything. Ben runs out of the pocket all the time and thats usually when he makes his big plays so i cant say something that he does all the time is luck....... Fail to mention that the cards won in everything but the score. And what else matters?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Ben runs out of the pocket all the time and thats usually when he makes his big plays so i cant say something that he does all the time is luck....... And what else matters?????????? OK, pile on ...you guys have all the answers. If the Cardinals had pulled it off you would be poo pooing all the way into September... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Same game, my friend. Big Ben was running for his life most of the time was lucky more than anything. Fail to mention that the cards won in everything but the score. If that's the case, then you would have realized that the Steelers have one of the worst offensive lines in the league. It is so bad, I guess it can make the opponents D look good. You just have to know what you're looking at. Seriously, check the numbers, that line gave up more sacks than any other line in the league this season, if not, it's close to the most. Behind that line, Ben's knack to stay on his feet and make plays was really put on display. If there's one thing he's good at it's that. Is it pretty, no. Does it get him into trouble sometimes, yes. Will he always get away with those ugly broken plays, no. But he did last Sunday, and that's all that counts. Ben grinded out that win, and as a Browns fan, I've seen him do that to my team every year. When the Cards left 2+ minutes on the clock, I knew they messed up and the Steelers had it. Seen it too many times. As you stated, the Cards won in every category but the final score...and it was their lack of discipline, turning the ball over in key situations, and their inability to step up in other key situaitons that blew it for them. That's on them, not the officials. Anything else is sour grapes. This all said, I'm giving the nod to Big Bendover as a gritty, grinder of a QB that has a knack for grinding out victories. But he does not belong in the conversation with the greatests QBs of all time...even though toolboxes like Trent Dilfer may try to tell you this. At the end of the day though, you can have a guy like Kurt Warner who rolls up 300+ yards and 3 TDs but throws huge INTs in key spots or you can have a guy who looks pedestrian for 3 3/4 quarters but then steps up to the plate and leads his team down the field in the closing minutes to win the Super Bowl. Which would you rather have, a team that "won in everything but the score" or the team that lost in everything but the final score? btw- John, enjoy while it lasts, because it ain't lasting much longer. Again...schools out boys and girls. Now it's time for Muggs Muggsbow to go solve the Federal Governments troubles...should take about 11 or 12 mintues, so I'll be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 My Sepulveda, you know, the leg bone connects to the kneebone, the kneebone connects to the Sepulveda.... OOOOKAY....I thought we were talking about a tennis player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colts1888 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) I am actually watching the VP of officiating in the NFL explain this call on NFL Network as I type this. Wilson was not pushed by a Steeler. He actually pushed a Steeler down on the line of scrimmage and then/than took about 5 steps before running over the place kicker. And the VP official is confirming that the call on the field was correct. So there we have it. I actually watched this too and was glad to see they actually admitted to blowing the call on Holmes after he scored the winning TD. He clearly used the ball as a prop in his celebration and it should have been a 15 yard penalty on the following kick off. Couple that with the fact that Arizona still had 2 timeouts and that would have made for a very interesting finish. By my count, thats 3 calls right there that the refs got wrong on the field. They missed this one, and 2 were overturned by replay. The NFL needs to clean up their act in officiating before they head down the road of the NBA. This is not just a superbowl problem, this is an every week, every game problem and it gets worse every year. Edited February 5, 2009 by colts1888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAhunter14 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Seriously, check the numbers, that line gave up more sacks than any other line in the league this season, if not, it's close to the most. Behind that line, Ben's knack to stay on his feet and make plays was really put on display. If there's one thing he's good at it's that. Is it pretty, no. Does it get him into trouble sometimes, yes. Will he always get away with those ugly broken plays, no. But he did last Sunday, and that's all that counts. Keep in mind that because Ben stays on his feet and holds on to the ball it causes more sacks. The O-line is horrible, but some of those sacks are caused by Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Chief Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Well the head of NFL officiating has come out and admitted 2 things. They should have reviewed Warner's last pass closer and they should have called a penalty on Holmes for the celebration. Oh well. Spring training here soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Game Over! Steelers Won, NEXT!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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