Guest wthomaslee Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I know this is a stupid question but this argument is giving me fits at work. I was told by an person that the rifles Walmart sells are sub-standard to the rifles another sporting goods retailer sells even though made by the same manufacture. I said the reason Walmart sells for less is because they buy them by volume where as a small town retailer buys far less. They make it out to sound Walmart asks for them to make junk so they can sell for a lower price. I explained the Weatherby Vanguard deal but was told even they were junk in comparison to what you can buy elsewhere. agree disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannoBoone1 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles With the "deals" Walmart presents to wholesalers, it's hard to tell. They tell them, "We will give you X amount of dollars per unit of your item. Take it or leave it." If I was a wholesaler with a bunch of factory seconds........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles That same question has been on here before, Wal-Mart gets them cheaper because they sell more of them than your neighborhood gun store, the Remington 710 you pick up at Wal-Mart is the same you would pick up at Dick's Sporting Goods, Bass Pro, or Jim's Guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles The guns at WalMart are the same as everywhere else. They are not sub standard. Volume is the key word. Who is going to get the better deal? A guy who buys 100-200 rifles or 10,000-20,000? It is that simple. The same argument has been discussed here about WalMart ammo. Again, it is the same as you would get anywhere else. I do not think Remington,Savage or anyone else would make sub standard products, to sell at the biggest dealer in the entire world. Nope. I have three rifle that shoot excepionally well. I bought two of them at WalMart. [ QUOTE ] If I was a wholesaler with a bunch of factory seconds........... [/ QUOTE ] I highley doubt there are many factory seconds in the gun world. They meet the qc specs or they do not get shipped. I dont think they guys at winchester would say "That Model 94 has a bent barrel, send it to WalMart". Way to much of a liability. The occasional lemon may sneak thru, but thats about it. My buddys uncle works at S&W. We have had this discussion...and he assured me no junk goes out. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles I totally agree with everyone else here. The guns you get at Wallyworld were just as likely to end up on the racks at the highest end, MSRP + pricing, nose in the air gun shops as they were to go to Wal Mart. Seconds from a wholesaler, Wal Mart buys direct from manufacturer. That's how they get such good prices. They get more than most distributors buy. So they eliminate the middle man and pass on the savings to you, the consumer. I have bought a few guns from Wal Mart and have never had a problem with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles if someone was stupid enough to tell you that then i would take my business elsewhere and not buy from them or if it is a friend i would get another friend. you can buy a savage 110 kit gun with everything on it and take it to another shop and set it down next to it and ask the person to show you the differences or have your friend go with you and show the difference and what makes a shop gun sold at soem fancy gun shop different thant the one you buy at wally world. they will never be able to do it. if it was a shop that was trying to sell you a gun he had then i would say find a better gun shop and go take the gun you bought form wlamart and askt hem to double check your bore sighting and see what they say when you are talking and you say i got a deal at walmart. a good shop will tell you toobuy hteir ammo and they will take good care fo you if you have a problem wiht the rifle rob k the only difference in buying form walmart and some shop is you know your not going to get good after service. i have bought from walmart with my sister and got my bro i nlaw a savage l;ackage gun and he loves it and it has the same warranty all of the other savage guns has and it will be fine. don't let people fool you with i don't buy from walmart because they have inferior oriducts it's a flat out lie and they arer showing ignorance by saying that they walmart sell inferior products they don't but they don;t buy top of the line and a lot of family mom and pop stores won't buy top of the line but will order them for you. just enjoy your gun and don't let people railroad you man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wthomaslee Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles Thanks fellas for the support but I feel sure they still wont listen to me even if I told them to read it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_70 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles Don't know if all the wal-marts do this or not but they will order you a rifle or gun if you want it. I was looking through the gun case one day and of course they usually only carry Remington ADL rifles, the girl came over to chat with me to see if I wanted the rifle. Of course I told her no, not the ADL, she reached under the counter and handed me a binder and told me they could order me any gun in there if I wanted it. Complet line of the BDL's, CDL's, Winchesters, Weatherby's... and they had all the gun shops prices around here beat.. same gun you get anywhere, just a better price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles This has come up in here a few times before, and some have also suggested thatammo at walmart is inferior. Total nonsense. [ QUOTE ] she reached under the counter and handed me a binder and told me they could order me any gun in there if I wanted it. Complet line of the BDL's, CDL's, Winchesters, Weatherby's... and they had all the gun shops prices around here beat.. same gun you get anywhere, just a better price [/ QUOTE ] And yes you can special order many guns from walmart. Bought my winchester 1300 buck and tom model about $100 cheaper than basspro could get it for me from wal mart on special order. Wal mart has an online special order catalog with prices too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannoBoone1 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles [ QUOTE ] If I was a wholesaler with a bunch of factory seconds........... [/ QUOTE ] Sorry guys. Didn't mean to create a firestorm. And "wholesaler" was the wrong term to use. One of my sons worked for Walmart and their regional manager told them about headquarters being hard-nosed with their suppliers to the point of ruthlessness. Many who approach Walmart to do business with them can't even make such-n-such product for the price Walmart will pay for it. Admittedly, they are 180 degrees different with their customers, and would not knowingly purchase second rate merchandise just to sell it cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles One of the students I teach just bought a 10/22 at Walmart. I talked to his Dad later and he said he bought it as a collectors item. the gun had a longer barrel than most 10/22's and was not listed in the Ruger Catalog. I thought that was strange. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles [ QUOTE ] Many who approach Walmart to do business with them can't even make such-n-such product for the price Walmart will pay for it. [/ QUOTE ] That doesn't make the products at Wal-mart inferior. The factory I work at, sells some products to certain customers cheaper than we can make them. I don't make any less quaility parts for that customer than I would for anyone else. Some times you have to take a loss on certain products that will generate more buisness down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles I can't say I have felt anything negative about at least 3-4 guns I have purchased at Wal-Mart. I shop for the best price, and they fit the need sometimes. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles [ QUOTE ] That same question has been on here before, Wal-Mart gets them cheaper because they sell more of them than your neighborhood gun store, the Remington 710 you pick up at Wal-Mart is the same you would pick up at Dick's Sporting Goods, Bass Pro, or Jim's Guns. [/ QUOTE ] I e-mailed Winchester, Remington and Mossberg that question. The answer was the almost the same. And you got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownanddown Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=170080&path=0%3A101851%3A101868%3A170080 go to this web site and check out all the rifles that walmart will order and you can put it on layaway after it comes in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles [ QUOTE ] http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=170080&path=0%3A101851%3A101868%3A170080 go to this web site and check out all the rifles that walmart will order and you can put it on layaway after it comes in [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for posting that...... I never knew it was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles factories, be it charles daly, remington, winchester, or whatever, will not allow factory seconds to hit the market. bad for everyone, except the attorneys. wal mart sells only first quality items as far as rifles go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles Camo, sorry, I disagree. Just because you got a faulty Rem. doesn't mean that Wal-Mart had anything to do with it. You could of bought the same gun at an expensive gun store. Do you really think that Remington would put guns out in the market that they knew had faults or inferior, they wouldn't stay in business very long. As was said many, many times, buying in volume has it's benefits to the consumer, that is all !! too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles Unfortunately, defects do sometimes make it out of the warehouse, but it is in no way the fault of the retailer. Thats like saying a new car you bought and turns out to be a lemon, well, because I got it cheaper at this big volume car dealer then it must be because it is inferior. Take it from someone who used to work at a Wal-Mart Distribution Center, prices are low at Wal-Mart because they buy more product then any other retailer at a great discount. Wal-Mart is this countries largest seller of firearms, if they weren't selling so many they wouldn't get a good price from the manufacturer and thus you wouldn't get a good price. Ask a small firearms dealer how much he paid for a basic remington shotgun, his price, then try and find out how much Wal-Mart paid for it, which would be nearly impossible. I will tell you this, Wal-Mart sells many items at a loss in order to get you in the store to buy many items at a mark-up. Things such as toothpaste, soap etc. are sold for less than what they paid just to get you in the store and buy something like a TV that they got a massive deal on and have marked it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles [ QUOTE ] I also believe that walmarts rifles are bought at a discount and they are at a lower standard or quality.. Im living proof of this and experianced it as well with a brand new rifle ... [/ QUOTE ] Wrong answer. You got a lemon. It happens with every mass produced product known to man. I bought the .450 Marlin at a gun and archery only shop. It would not feed the shells into the chamber when I got it. They fixed it in about ten minutes. Never had the probalem again. Last time I checked Howells was not spelled WalMart. Was I mad at Howell? **** no. He did not make the gun. Marlin did. Would I buy another Marlin? You bet. I have three in the cabinet right now. One was purchesed after I got my .450. It is not a perfect world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles I don't think the 597 is a very good gun too talk about Walmart quality. A 597 you get from anywhere is not going to be a good high quality gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles I talked with the guy at WalMart today about ordering a rifle thru them. He said it takes 2-3 weeks to get it, and you -cannot- put a special order gun on law-a-way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownanddown Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles i would talk to the department head because i have already done this at the toledo ohio store a number of times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Re: WalMart rifles [ QUOTE ] I talked with the guy at WalMart today about ordering a rifle thru them. He said it takes 2-3 weeks to get it, and you -cannot- put a special order gun on law-a-way. [/ QUOTE ] Jim, you have to pay half up front and pay the remainder when you pick up the gun. I bought my 1300 on special order and it took like 5 days for it to get in. They told me to check back in a week, they never called to tell me it was in, but said it had been in for a couple days when I picked it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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