nativetexan Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Obama Defends Bush Rule on Permitting Guns in National Parks The regulation took effect Jan. 9 and allows visitors to bring concealed, loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges. FOXNews.com The Obama administration is going to bat for former President Bush by defending his last-minute rule allowing loaded guns in national parks. The Washington Post reported Tuesday that while the Interior Department is internally reviewing whether the measure passes environmental muster, the Justice Department sought to block a preliminary injunction of the controversial rule in response to a lawsuit filed Friday by gun-control and environmental groups. The regulation took effect Jan. 9 and allows visitors to bring concealed, loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges. For more than 20 years, they were allowed in such areas only if they were unloaded or stored and dismantled. The three groups fighting to overturn the rule are the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees. They contend that the Bush administration violated several laws in issuing the rule, such as failing to conduct a sufficient environmental review under the National Environmental Policy Act. They also claim that the new policy could discourage some visitors from visiting national landmarks. But the Justice Department said in its reply that the new rule "does not alter the environmental status quo, and will not have any significant impacts on public health and safety." Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has requested an internal assessment of whether the measure has any environmental impacts the government needs to take into account, an Interior spokesman told the newspaper Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 So now B. Hussein's the pro-gun advocate, huh??? Something smells here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Something smells here. LOL ! You have no idea. http://field-n-water.com/politics/gun-owners-in-big-trouble-with-hr-45/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Good article there Cliff. Somehow this support of the Bush Rule seems like an empty gesture from Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Real men would just admit it...all your paranoia just may be unfounded and your initial reactions just may have been hysterics. Instead, you react with pure suspicion or just won't credit the man. Priceless..."group think" is an interesting subject to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Real men would just admit it...all your paranoia just may be unfounded and your initial reactions just may have been hysterics. Instead, you react with pure suspicion or just won't credit the man. Priceless..."group think" is an interesting subject to me. Admit what Eric?:confused: That Obama did something that was unexpected. Who said anything about paranoia here anyway? Have you listened to anything that the man has said in regards to gun control? Are you aware of his support for bans on handguns and of his support for bans on semi auto's(both shotguns and rifles)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hmmm.............we'll see the true Obama by years end. I think this is a move just to try and pacify the gun rights group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Who said anything about paranoia here anyway? Have you listened to anything that the man has said in regards to gun control? Are you aware of his support for bans on handguns and of his support for bans on semi auto's(both shotguns and rifles)? Where are you getting your information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Where are you getting your information? Which part Eric, the part where I watched the man say what he said in regards to the supreme court ruling last year? The part where I watched the man say that folks cling to their religion and guns? The part where he appointed Eric Holder as AG? The part where Obama endorsed the Illinois handgun ban? The part where he said that Bush was in error in regards to the AWB? The part where in 1998 on the IL state legislative national political awareness test Obama voted in favor of banning all semi auto's, but then claimed that it was a staffer and not him who voted? What is the point in posting sources when you will just say they are biased, of course it is tough to argue that the man has said what he has said with it being there for anyone to see, all you have to do is watch and listen with your own eyes and ears. Of course then I guess there is also then the argument that what he said is somehow being spun.:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Where are you getting your information?Here's a few FACTS - All 100% verified. While running for office in Illinois, Obama was sent a questionnaire by a Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois. Here are his responses on the gun control section: Do you support state legislation to: a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes. b. ban assault weapons? Yes. c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes. In 2000 he cosponsored a bill to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against a bill that would protect innocent people from lawsuits if they violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense. Barack Obama quote: "I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby." (in other words, where you live decides whether or not you have a right to self defense) Barack Obama quote: "I think it is a scandal that this president (meaning Bush) did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban." From Barack Obama's answers on the 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998 Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons. Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms. Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms. July 29, 2005 Senate Bill 397 Barack Obama voted AGAINST ending frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodnottygy Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 The economic stimulis is working well... I just ordered an AR-15 upper and lower. It said on the website, since the election, shipping may be 12 to 16 weeks and was previously 2 to 4 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 The economic stimulis is working well... I just ordered an AR-15 upper and lower. It said on the website, since the election, shipping may be 12 to 16 weeks and was previously 2 to 4 weeks. Your lucky, my dpms .308 I ordered back in January is about a year out.:eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Here's a few FACTS - All 100% verified. 100% verified through whom? The way I always was taught, if you're going to cite information, you need sources. Unfortunately, I have a feeling any sources that my be cited are going to be from filtered information sites. Do you need to buy more than one handgun per month? The nerve!! He voted against a bill that would protect innocent people from lawsuits if they violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense. Again, you're gonna have to do better than that. Barack Obama quote: "I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby." (in other words, where you live decides whether or not you have a right to self defense) Do you think guns in the inner cities are a good thing? Do you live in an area that is deemed an "inner city?" Most importantly, you're skewing the man's words. Barack Obama quote: "I think it is a scandal that this president (meaning Bush) did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban." What's your point? Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms. What an animal!!! At the end of the day, restrictions on guns aren't the removal of all guns. If one thing should have restrictions placed on them, it's guns. And no, don't reguritate the NRA line of "what's next, you gonna tell me I can't eat cheeseburgers" because retrictions are necessary on certain items- think alcohol and cigarettes. This thread alone shows he's not the gun hating lib the NRA wants you to belive he is. Edited February 18, 2009 by muggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I do believe there may just be hope for you yet Eric.:D Most of that information is readily available for anyone willing to look and pretty easily checked out. I don't know what you will consider to be a "reliable source", but factcheck.org can be used to verify some of what Mike posted. Not going to waste my time providing links for you, have already been down that road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) No surprise. I recall a few weeks ago someone was educated as to what a machine gun was and what was a rifle that functioned just like many other hunting rifles. We never heard from that person again on that topic:rolleyes: Here is some news right from the Realtree tree;). Maybe this is what is called believable, but then again, anything that certain individuals don't believe in is called spinning and misinterpreted. http://www.realtree.com/community/newsletterDetail.php?s=20090217/up_in_arms.html&utm_source=newsletter_20090217&utm_medium=site&utm_content=html&utm_campaign=Headlines+from+the+Treeline Also here is some more news on this subject that is NOT from the NRA. http://gunowners.org/a021009.htm Edited February 18, 2009 by Adjam5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I do believe there may just be hope for you yet Eric.:D Most of that information is readily available for anyone willing to look and pretty easily checked out. I don't know what you will consider to be a "reliable source", but factcheck.org can be used to verify some of what Mike posted. Not going to waste my time providing links for you, have already been down that road. No kidding Eric. If you would care to dispute any of the above referenced FACTS, please do your own research and then cite evidence. Of course, there won't be any because, well....they're facts. If you care to express OPINION, please feel free to do so. Hint: You might start your search with the Congressional voting record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Don't let facts get in the way of opinions. That never mattered for democraps anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Do you need to buy more than one handgun per month? The nerve!!Do you need to buy more than one bullet a month? The nerve!! - No difference Do you think guns in the inner cities are a good thing? Do you live in an area that is deemed an "inner city?" Most importantly, you're skewing the man's words. I'm quoting the man verbatim. How in the heck am I skewing his words? And yes, I think that inner city residents have every much a right to own firearms for self defense as I do. What's your point?My point is that President Obama is saying he would have extended the Clinton assualt weapons ban. What an animal!!! Trigger locks are good things to have, especially if you have children, but why should the government mandate that firearm manufacturers supply them? It should be the responsibility of the individual gunowner to buy and install them. At the end of the day, restrictions on guns aren't the removal of all guns. If one thing should have restrictions placed on them, it's guns. And no, don't reguritate the NRA line of "what's next, you gonna tell me I can't eat cheeseburgers" because retrictions are necessary on certain items- think alcohol and cigarettes. I suggest we should also have local or state control over the 1st and 5th Amendments too. (not really, I'm being facetious to make a point) BTW - Cheeseburgers, cigarettes and alcohol are luxury items and in no way are they covered by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Unlike our right to bear arms, which clearly is covered by the 2nd Amendment. This thread alone shows he's not the gun hating lib the NRA wants you to believe he is.I hope you're right, but I sincerely doubt that you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativetexan Posted February 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 So let me get this straight...We are accusing people of not citing sources when it has been common knowledge where his stance on guns is? I think I might be more accusatory of not thoroughly educating one's self on a candidate. Personally I get tired of telling people who have no intention of accepting the truth. Anyway, this move is really a surprising move from the President considering his history. However, to me its nothing but a pacifier on the bigger issue at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Canoekiller1 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Eric, have you thought about perhaps googling obamas voting habits on Gun Control...you might just see the reason for our "Paranoia" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Canoekiller1 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Gun_Control Here is a good link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 All these sources you guys have provided Eric to reference are from "Internet" sources, thus they are all NRA fabricated lies to make the Pres look a fool and to drive the American people into hysteria and paranoia. Eric wants some REAL facts to check, not Republican right wing made up lies...... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Trigger locks are good things to have, especially if you have children, but why should the government mandate that firearm manufacturers supply them? It should be the responsibility of the individual gunowner to buy and install them. Eric thinks the gov't should mandate all #2 pencils should have erasers on both ends to protect the eyes, ears and noses of his generation as well..... :D Edited February 19, 2009 by Ohiobucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 You're right, I did reference voting records from both the U.S. Senate and the Illinois State Senate. I'm sure both of those are more than capable of generating enormous amounts of falsehoods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Canoekiller1 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490 Hard to argue with a voting record...which are readily available Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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