snapper Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I use a .300 winmag and don't think its over kill...the .280 will do just find in harvesting a deer. As long as the person behind the gun can shoot...there is no such thing as overkill in my book. Dead is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: question about the .280 280's great. I hunted with one for years. I've gone up to a 7 Rem Mag though just to get a little bit of extra range, since I mostly hunt in west Texas and Utah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: question about the .280 The .280 is a great deer cartridge. Pretty much perfect. I hope to have one some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 If shooters like the .270 Win and/or the .30-06 Springfield, the .280 Rem is close enough to perfect. It shoots as fast and flat as the .270, has higher velocity also. Will handle heavier bullets than the .270 Win also. The .270 Win is a .30-06 necked down to accept .277" bullets. The .280 Rem is the same case necked to hold .284" bullets and has the shoulder pushed out slightly farther to give slightly larger powder capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 it's a good round and will do a great job for you or your friend and aj listen to him he knows his stuff and won't lead yo the wrong way. aj has his stuff together rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 the .280 is a great caliber. one of my friends from New York uses one all the time. I was using a .300 Win Mag, i shot a deer at 20 yards with that thing, and it barely did any damage at all. i just bought a .300 WSM in december. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] i just bought a .300 WSM in december. [/ QUOTE ] Really? First I heard of it. lol. j/k. I know what it is like to get something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] I use a .300 winmag and don't think its over kill...the .280 will do just find in harvesting a deer. As long as the person behind the gun can shoot...there is no such thing as overkill in my book. Dead is dead. [/ QUOTE ] Well there is dead with a small hole, then there is dead with the front shoulder missing! Thats what an over-kill gun can do! LOL!!! .280 is fine, but I feel the .280 is limited in ammo, around here anyways! The .270 is a more of a popular cartridge, with not much difference between that and the .280. JMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] Well there is dead with a small hole, then there is dead with the front shoulder missing! Thats what an over-kill gun can do! LOL!!! [/ QUOTE ] The damage comes from the bullets/loads...not really the cal. My .270 loaded (hot) with 130gr. ballistic tips will do alot more damage than a 180gr. corelok in my .300 winmag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 You are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] it's a good round and will do a great job for you or your friend and aj listen to him he knows his stuff and won't lead yo the wrong way. aj has his stuff together rob k [/ QUOTE ] WOW, AJ will need a bigger hat size All the realtree dudes use the .280 with their TC Encore's. It seems to work well for them. I'm a .270 dude myself. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownanddown Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] If shooters like the .270 Win and/or the .30-06 Springfield, the .280 Rem is close enough to perfect. It shoots as fast and flat as the .270, has higher velocity also. Will handle heavier bullets than the .270 Win also. The .270 Win is a .30-06 necked down to accept .277" bullets. The .280 Rem is the same case necked to hold .284" bullets and has the shoulder pushed out slightly farther to give slightly larger powder capacity. [/ QUOTE ] this is not true if you look in any reloading book you will see that the 270 is faster and flatter shooting also has more vel than the 280 in 130,140 150 grn bullets it also holds more powder than the 280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] this is not true if you look in any reloading book you will see that the 270 is faster and flatter shooting also has more vel than the 280 in 130,140 150 grn bullets it also holds more powder than the 280 [/ QUOTE ] What have you been smoking? Ok, I checked the Hornady #5, Nosler 5th Edition, and the Speer #13 Manual. All of them say your confused. I suggest you revisit the manuals. When the powder capacity is equal and the bullet weights are equal, the larger bore will always have a higher velocity at the same pressure. This is a simple fact due to the larger bore having a shorter bullet it will typically have less bearing surface. So, given the fact that the .280 Rem casing will physically hold 1 gr of water more than the .270, how can you say its the other way around? Granted the difference is not extreme but the difference can be over 100 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Re: question about the .280 .280 is what I have been using since I was 14 (Now 30). Its a great gun and has never let me down in Pennsylvania yet. I too think it is a perfect gun for Whitetails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownanddown Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Re: question about the .280 hodgdon imr alliant vihtavouri manuals say im not smoking anything if you read these manuals you will see what im talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] hodgdon imr alliant vihtavouri manuals say im not smoking anything if you read these manuals you will see what im talking about [/ QUOTE ] Settle down boys. lol. Comparing factory loads on remington.com AJ is right. The 150gr .280 bullet is faster and flatter than the .270. The difference is small, but the .280 shoots 76 fps faster and drops 1.8" less at 300 yards, and 12.4" less at 500 yards. These are two different bullet types, the .280 is a psp and the .270 is a sp, but doing the test the other way around bullet wise with a 140gr the ballistics are in the favor of the .280 also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownanddown Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Re: question about the .280 they are close but check out the stats on this site http://federalcartage.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: question about the .280 I really hate to go here but: .270 win 2850 fps at the muzzle,-52" at 500 yards .280 rem 2890 fps at the muzzle,-50.8" at 500 yards Straight from www.federalcartridge.com using 150gr bullets. 280 wins again. fwiw, I always thought the .270 was a faster cartridge until this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: question about the .280 Brownanddown is correct that the Hodgdon No. 27 manual has the .270 Winchester listed slightly ahead of hte .280 Rem, but if you will also notice that they are running the .270 Win at 50,000 + c.u.p. and they are only running the .280 Rem 48-49,000 c.u.p. This is quite a bit of difference. Like I said earlier, when the same bullet weights are brought to the same pressure levels, the .280 is faster. FWIW, Vihtavouri does not even list the .280 Rem in their 3rd Edition or on the downloadable data sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] FWIW, Vihtavouri does not even list the .280 Rem in their 3rd Edition or on the downloadable data sheets. [/ QUOTE ] This is what would scare me away from a 280. Also in some places you can't find factory ammo for them! 270, 308, & 30-06 are all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] This is what would scare me away from a 280. Also in some places you can't find factory ammo for them! 270, 308, & 30-06 are all over the place. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, this is a pretty lame excuse. Anyone with some common sence, can get ammo for this or just about any gun. It may take 5 minutes worth of work, but it can be mail ordered. Most places that sell guns can actually order ammo for the same gun they sold you. If I am going on a hunting or shooting trip, I will for certain have more than enough ammo packed with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: question about the .280 Most guys hunting now can't shoot good enough (me included) to find the insignifigant differences in all the popular calibres. 500 yard ballistics are really just stuff to talk about because not many of us are ever going to shoot that far and most would miss anyway. Here's a get rich quick scheme-put a deer size target out at 500 yards-every saturday charge 20 bucks a shot till someone hits it(offhand) thewn split the pot with the winner. You'll never work again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhtr1 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: question about the .280 I bought one of the first .280 Mountain Rifle's that Remington made. I love this gun and cartrige. I reload so I dont have to buy factory but I can get some at the local hunting store. (not wal-mart) My loads are close to a 7mm mag factory loads. I have always said the 280 was better but if you shot a deer with a 270, 280, or 30-06 in the vitals with a good bullet the deer would never know the difference. But the 280 is better so I would never buy one of the others. The great Jack O-Conner made the 270 what it is today, if not for him it would not be around. Later in life he was asked about building a custom gun by a fellow outdoorsman. Jack told him what gun and then said use the 280 it is better than the 270. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: question about the .280 [ QUOTE ] Most guys hunting now can't shoot good enough (me included) to find the insignifigant differences in all the popular calibres. 500 yard ballistics are really just stuff to talk about because not many of us are ever going to shoot that far and most would miss anyway. Here's a get rich quick scheme-put a deer size target out at 500 yards-every saturday charge 20 bucks a shot till someone hits it(offhand) thewn split the pot with the winner. You'll never work again. [/ QUOTE ] Very true. But I posted the 500 yard stuff to show that the .270 drops more than the .280. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: question about the .280 Ohh I wasn't slamming you Jim I realize you were just showing the differance-just saying that they both are great calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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