Non NRA news source on Obama gun ban

[Nut]

I will be emailing my representative about this. I don't think he will disagree with my thoughts.

He is a Democrat

edited:He is a member of the NRA

Edited February 26, 2009 by Nut
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[wtnhunt]

So, would you agree 12 year olds should be able to buy vodka- in light of their right to the pursuit of hapiness?

Mostly, I do agree with you though- but there are certain things that do need certain rescritions.

So, judging by your opinion on this- I would guess it's cool in your eyes for 8 year olds to smoke cigarettes?

How about an 11 year old being able to drive?

Your argument you bring into this on 8 year olds and 12 year olds really is irrelevant since those examples are NOT covered by the constitution.

[LifeNRA]

Overall, I think this could potentially be a good thing and doesn't impact me in anyway.

Me, me, me!!! Thats all you think about, just you! What about all the other law abiding citizens that participate in other shooting sports that may be effected??? Give them an inch, then they will want a yard! Sooner or later they WILL hit the firearms you have! But then you will never say a word if it happens!

[ruttinbuc]

I can't understand how anyone can be so selfish as to want to tip the first domino.

[Adjam5]

Background checks, having to sucessfully pass courses that teach proper gun control weeds out the jerks.

In my life, I've come across tons of people who own guns and really have no business doing so- for the risk they pose to themselves and others.

So I passed the NICS check and I own "military styled" guns. Now that I passed the NICS, I should be able to own explosive devices and machine guns ...right? Your words...not mine.

The ban will do just that, BAN them and not offer a grandfather clause. What does the Govt have to fear from a law abiding citizen? Courses that teach gun control!...spoken like a true democrat. Gun control is hitting your target.

I don't know where you live, but I didn't need a course to tell me that certain items are dangerous. My parents did that early on. Most hunters had to go through a hunter ed course that taught gun safety and the 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting. My sons grew up around all types of guns, were shooting since they could hold a gun and NEVER once mishandled one or took one to school.

In my life, I have come across tons of people who should not have been allowed to breed, but it happened anyway.

That is a greater responsibility to this country, than taking a gun safety course. Not making sexual recreation a burden of society with kids that have no parents or positive role models in their lives.

Gun bans are all about control, it has nothing to do with safety.

[Dakota]

Okay, Eric, I am getting sick and tired of your 8 and 12 yr. old shpiel. I want you to tell me right now where and how that fits in with the second amendment which ONLY concerns firearms. The last time I checked, vehicles and cigarette lighters don't count as firearms. It's getting reeaally old and you're not making any sense. If you give an inch to the socialist/communist left on this issue they will take away ALL your guns and THEN you will be complaining and wishing you had done something about it!!! Of course it is that way with any issue not just firearms.

Dakota

[toddpipkin]

I had forgot about that William. And yet why is noone speaking out about that? Is everyone willing to let the "gov't" come into their house unannounced and do a search? Man, I don't know what I would do if that ever happened, I really don't.

I know what I'd do. I really do.

Someone would not survive.

I am a sworn, full-time law enforcement officer, but I will refuse any order which I believe to be unconstitutional, and will defend, to to the death my, or YOUR, or my neighbor's constitutional rights.

Period.

[m gardner]

Obama wants to restrict guns period. The problem on our border is not a gun problem it's a crime problem. There are some 50,000 ready and able criminals in the drug cartels. Catching 700 is embarrassing. Restricting our access to firearms to protect ourselves is idiotic at best. The cops here are losing. Actor David Spade donated $100,000 to buy rifles for the police. Phoenix is number two in the world for kidnappings and strongarm breakins. We need to protect ourselves. Last weekend we witnessed some Sinaloa drug cartel folks (the tatoos tell it all) trying to buy semiauto rifles and failing to do so. Seems the NICs check works. The carry concealed classes that are mandatory to get a permit are overflowing and Sheriff Joe seems to have no qualms about having everybody armed. Seems criminals are less likely to view you as a victim if they think you may be armed.

Muggs, you are an educated man and an eloquent speaker. I hope you can talk yourself out of whatever violence comes your way. There's lots of talkers and educated folks who plan well. Then there are those of us who are preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. Most of the problems that have come my way so far we resolved quickly by my demeanor. I look like a real bad time about to happen. They know I am prepared. So far that's saved some young men's lives. Problem is they probably hurt someone else instead. As this economy worsens we really need to be able to survive on our own. The police are going to be way too busy. As for an assault rifle. It's no better than the man useing it and I see few good men anymore. That's why were in such trouble.

Mark

[DocMort]

You all see that they had grenades and full autos? Being in the military we pretty much have 3 round burst on all our 16's and M-4's. As far as grenades go you cannot buy a grenade over the counter, jesus in most states you can't even buy fireworks, Criminals will get there hands on what they want, and us Law abiding citizens will be screwed. Pardon my language but you won't get my weapons without a few bullets flying.

[nativetexan]

Eric, your logic makes no sense. You've got a lot to learn about 1.) Debate 2.) Personal responsibility and how it applies to the freedoms of this country. Get back with us when you make sense. Because really, your constant comparisons to things that are irrelevant shows just exactly how uneducated you are on the issues. Not to mention, your desire to control what we as gun owners do based on appearance and your own few experiences with others.

My suggestion is buy your handgun now, and don't shoot yourself in the foot with it.

Spare us your hatred of the NRA. Your constant reference to it makes it look like you have a serious grudge and allows people to only focus on your grudge, and not the issue at hand. Hence the constant attacks on your beliefs.

If you are not pro-Obama, then stop acting like it and take his pic off of your avatar if you want anyone here to take you seriously. Right now, I don't, and I don't believe a word you say, and feel no inclination otherwise. Even if you had a valid point, I missed it because of your constant attempts at pushing your Pro-Gun/Anti-NRA/Anti-Assault Weapon mentality.

I sincerely hope you have educated yourself more before you make any decision that may effect the second amendment in this country. Because in case you missed it, it isn't really about guns is it? It's about our freedoms granted by the Constitution being taken away from us. Or is that too much to understand?

You're nothing but a pot-stirrer. Take your complacency elsewhere and let the big boys protect your right to purchase and own that pistol. Because it hurts a little less when I don't have the person there watching if I am going to do what they should be. After all, its a new age of us doing what people won't do for themselves...Courtesy of Barack Obama and his crew.

[Adjam5]

Eric, your logic makes no sense. You've got a lot to learn about 1.) Debate 2.) Personal responsibility and how it applies to the freedoms of this country. Get back with us when you make sense. Because really, your constant comparisons to things that are irrelevant shows just exactly how uneducated you are on the issues. Not to mention, your desire to control what we as gun owners do based on appearance and your own few experiences with others.

My suggestion is buy your handgun now, and don't shoot yourself in the foot with it.

Spare us your hatred of the NRA. Your constant reference to it makes it look like you have a serious grudge and allows people to only focus on your grudge, and not the issue at hand. Hence the constant attacks on your beliefs.

If you are not pro-Obama, then stop acting like it and take his pic off of your avatar if you want anyone here to take you seriously. Right now, I don't, and I don't believe a word you say, and feel no inclination otherwise. Even if you had a valid point, I missed it because of your constant attempts at pushing your Pro-Gun/Anti-NRA/Anti-Assault Weapon mentality.

I sincerely hope you have educated yourself more before you make any decision that may effect the second amendment in this country. Because in case you missed it, it isn't really about guns is it? It's about our freedoms granted by the Constitution being taken away from us. Or is that too much to understand?

You're nothing but a pot-stirrer. Take your complacency elsewhere and let the big boys protect your right to purchase and own that pistol. Because it hurts a little less when I don't have the person there watching if I am going to do what they should be. After all, its a new age of us doing what people won't do for themselves...Courtesy of Barack Obama and his crew.

I agree totally.

You won't hear back from him...just like the machine gun/assault rifle issue he was educated on.

Here are some actual YouTube clips of BHO and Holder with their intent spoken about guns and the current topic of the coming bans. It can't be anymore plain than that.

http://www.thegunsource.com/category/1581.aspx?Task=Click&ZoneID=34&CampaignID=3&AdvertiserID=1&BannerID=72&SiteID=4&RandomNumber=883866439&Keywords=&CustomURL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.thegunsource.com

Edited February 27, 2009 by Adjam5

[PotashRLS]

Eric, your logic makes no sense. You've got a lot to learn about 1.) Debate 2.) Personal responsibility and how it applies to the freedoms of this country. Get back with us when you make sense. Because really, your constant comparisons to things that are irrelevant shows just exactly how uneducated you are on the issues. Not to mention, your desire to control what we as gun owners do based on appearance and your own few experiences with others.

My suggestion is buy your handgun now, and don't shoot yourself in the foot with it.

Spare us your hatred of the NRA. Your constant reference to it makes it look like you have a serious grudge and allows people to only focus on your grudge, and not the issue at hand. Hence the constant attacks on your beliefs.

If you are not pro-Obama, then stop acting like it and take his pic off of your avatar if you want anyone here to take you seriously. Right now, I don't, and I don't believe a word you say, and feel no inclination otherwise. Even if you had a valid point, I missed it because of your constant attempts at pushing your Pro-Gun/Anti-NRA/Anti-Assault Weapon mentality.

I sincerely hope you have educated yourself more before you make any decision that may effect the second amendment in this country. Because in case you missed it, it isn't really about guns is it? It's about our freedoms granted by the Constitution being taken away from us. Or is that too much to understand?

You're nothing but a pot-stirrer. Take your complacency elsewhere and let the big boys protect your right to purchase and own that pistol. Because it hurts a little less when I don't have the person there watching if I am going to do what they should be. After all, its a new age of us doing what people won't do for themselves...Courtesy of Barack Obama and his crew.

I 2nd this motion.

[Gator]

Eric, your logic makes no sense. You've got a lot to learn about 1.) Debate 2.) Personal responsibility and how it applies to the freedoms of this country. Get back with us when you make sense. Because really, your constant comparisons to things that are irrelevant shows just exactly how uneducated you are on the issues. Not to mention, your desire to control what we as gun owners do based on appearance and your own few experiences with others.

My suggestion is buy your handgun now, and don't shoot yourself in the foot with it.

Spare us your hatred of the NRA. Your constant reference to it makes it look like you have a serious grudge and allows people to only focus on your grudge, and not the issue at hand. Hence the constant attacks on your beliefs.

If you are not pro-Obama, then stop acting like it and take his pic off of your avatar if you want anyone here to take you seriously. Right now, I don't, and I don't believe a word you say, and feel no inclination otherwise. Even if you had a valid point, I missed it because of your constant attempts at pushing your Pro-Gun/Anti-NRA/Anti-Assault Weapon mentality.

I sincerely hope you have educated yourself more before you make any decision that may effect the second amendment in this country. Because in case you missed it, it isn't really about guns is it? It's about our freedoms granted by the Constitution being taken away from us. Or is that too much to understand?

You're nothing but a pot-stirrer. Take your complacency elsewhere and let the big boys protect your right to purchase and own that pistol. Because it hurts a little less when I don't have the person there watching if I am going to do what they should be. After all, its a new age of us doing what people won't do for themselves...Courtesy of Barack Obama and his crew.

I 2nd this motion.

And I 3rd it, if that's possible. Very well written NT.

[oldksnarc]

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? It is feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. ...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." --A Pennsylvanian, The Pennsylvania Gazette, 20 February 1788

[terry264]

Couldn't even sleep last night after watching the new AG's announcement shown on Hannity's America. He (Eric Holder) is going to update, reinstate, and make permanent, the Assault Weapons Ban. Guess he figures he waited a "respectable amount of time" to announce this, (you know, like after a spouse dies and the survivor wants to remarry). Sheesh, I'm still sick.

[wtnhunt]

Couldn't even sleep last night after watching the new AG's announcement shown on Hannity's America. He (Eric Holder) is going to update, reinstate, and make permanent, the Assault Weapons Ban. Guess he figures he waited a "respectable amount of time" to announce this, (you know, like after a spouse dies and the survivor wants to remarry). Sheesh, I'm still sick.

He wants to. We will see what happens. By himself though unless I am mistaken, he really does not have the authority to reinstate anything, nor should he. I know there was some discussion about the possibility of new legislation that might grant the Attorney General position that authority, cannot recall what happened with that though.

Copied this from the US justice dept's website:

The Judiciary Act of 1789 created the Office of the Attorney General which evolved over the years into the head of the Department of Justice and chief law enforcement officer of the Federal Government. The Attorney General represents the United States in legal matters generally and gives advice and opinions to the President and to the heads of the executive departments of the Government when so requested. In matters of exceptional gravity or importance the Attorney General appears in person before the Supreme Court. Since the 1870 Act that established the Department of Justice as an executive department of the government of the United States, the Attorney General has guided the world's largest law office and the central agency for enforcement of federal laws.

Don't know if it would factor into this in anyway or not, but since the supreme court said in the Heller case that the second ammendment is a right, it may appear that Holder could have a tough time at this very point in time with the justices that are currently serving on the supreme court.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.

When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.

When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.

Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet. – Lyle Myhr

[LifeNRA]

Eric, your logic makes no sense. You've got a lot to learn about 1.) Debate 2.) Personal responsibility and how it applies to the freedoms of this country. Get back with us when you make sense. Because really, your constant comparisons to things that are irrelevant shows just exactly how uneducated you are on the issues. Not to mention, your desire to control what we as gun owners do based on appearance and your own few experiences with others.

My suggestion is buy your handgun now, and don't shoot yourself in the foot with it.

Spare us your hatred of the NRA. Your constant reference to it makes it look like you have a serious grudge and allows people to only focus on your grudge, and not the issue at hand. Hence the constant attacks on your beliefs.

If you are not pro-Obama, then stop acting like it and take his pic off of your avatar if you want anyone here to take you seriously. Right now, I don't, and I don't believe a word you say, and feel no inclination otherwise. Even if you had a valid point, I missed it because of your constant attempts at pushing your Pro-Gun/Anti-NRA/Anti-Assault Weapon mentality.

I sincerely hope you have educated yourself more before you make any decision that may effect the second amendment in this country. Because in case you missed it, it isn't really about guns is it? It's about our freedoms granted by the Constitution being taken away from us. Or is that too much to understand?

You're nothing but a pot-stirrer. Take your complacency elsewhere and let the big boys protect your right to purchase and own that pistol. Because it hurts a little less when I don't have the person there watching if I am going to do what they should be. After all, its a new age of us doing what people won't do for themselves...Courtesy of Barack Obama and his crew.

VERY WELL PUT!!! :cool:

[bowhuntnsmycrack]

heres my input NO GUN BANS! we as american citizens should have the right to own any gun we want providing a criminal backround check like we already get. if people wanna use fully automatic weapons for recreational shooting LET THEM. if they use them in a crime punish them hard! if people use guns in a crime make it a maximum penalty! what the democrats dont realize is more people did a day driving to work then they do from guns! if guns kill people i blame my spelling mistakes on my pencil! i am a law obiding citizen so my rights to own ANY GUNS should not be infringed but they are because of democrats and libral p.o.s.

[bowhuntnsmycrack]

another thing i can shoot my pump shotgun just as fast as a semi automatic and im willing to prove it!!!! guns are not the problem in this world its the people who think there a problem thats the problem!

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

another thing i can shoot my pump shotgun just as fast as a semi automatic and im willing to prove it!!!! guns are not the problem in this world its the people who think there a problem thats the problem!

Make so mistake, pump actions are on these people's list of weapons to ban in the future. But they have to go one step at a time. Just ask the Australians...

[stevebeilgard]

Your argument you bring into this on 8 year olds and 12 year olds really is irrelevant since those examples are NOT covered by the constitution.

correct. we have a constitutional RIGHT to bear arms. we have driving PRIVILEGES as set up by the state. we also have the privilege to drink at a certain age as set by individual states. when the government took away the drinking privilege (aka prohibition) there were no part of the constitution broken or altered.

to take away our RIGHT to own guns, any gun no matter what it looks like, the obama administration is taking away our constitutional rights.