Doc Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I have also beat scopes and long stabilizers many times over. I also agree all well tuned bows shoot good. Now lets look at a 3-D situation. I pull up, see my target, estimate my range at 38 yards and release. Bang! A perfect x ring,could not be happier. Joe Blow walks up with his new Monster calls a 32 yard shot and cuts the x ring. Guess what you have just been beat by a bow not a shooter. It happens every day. A perfect estimate on yardage and a perfect shot with a Bear Whitetail can be matched by a sloppy distance estimator and a 360 fps bow. Same goes for hunting. If I shoot at a deer with my Drenalin at 30 yards and the deer is 35 yds away I'm still going to kill it. Is the same true for my old Bear Whitetail? Nothing against Bear Whitetail it was my first compound bow years ago. Besides why should anyone care what I or anyone else does with our money. Some trade cars,trucks,boats motorcycles,sleds,guns the list goes on. I'd like to add bows to this list. How about this. The guy shoots his super-duper jillion dollar bow and misses the deer entirely because somebody convinced him that he should sacrifice stability for speed. That is a more likely scenario. Guys are buying all these super-fast rigs and hairy, on the edge, arrows and gadgets just to follow the speed-god and usually truly get beat by the equipment........the only thing is that it is their own equipment that beats them. Unfortunately, that is a much more common experience as more people think they can buy proficiency. There really are no short-cuts, only manufacturer ads that convince us that there are. Personally, I will put my money on the guy who puts his emphasis on consistancy and reliability and simple hard work at the practice sessions, using equipment that is time-tested, and that he is intimately familiar with rather than the guy who is frantically chasing every new experiment that's being offered. At some point, given enough experience, you finally put together a good working system that you are confident in. As they say, "don't mess with success", or "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". At that point, the emphasis should be on training the archer to use his rig to the best of his ability and trust that your equipment choices have been done correctly. In terms of hunting, buy one more gadget.......a rangefinder. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 How about this. The guy shoots his super-duper jillion dollar bow and misses the deer entirely because somebody convinced him that he should sacrifice stability for speed. That is a more likely scenario. Guys are buying all these super-fast rigs and hairy, on the edge, arrows and gadgets just to follow the speed-god and usually truly get beat by the equipment........the only thing is that it is their own equipment that beats them. Unfortunately, that is a much more common experience as more people think they can buy proficiency. There really are no short-cuts, only manufacturer ads that convince us that there are. Personally, I will put my money on the guy who puts his emphasis on consistancy and reliability and simple hard work at the practice sessions, using equipment that is time-tested, and that he is intimately familiar with rather than the guy who is frantically chasing every new experiment that's being offered. At some point, given enough experience, you finally put together a good working system that you are confident in. As they say, "don't mess with success", or "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". At that point, the emphasis should be on training the archer to use his rig to the best of his ability and trust that your equipment choices have been done correctly. In terms of hunting, buy one more gadget.......a rangefinder. Doc Is someone jealous? I'd write more but I am off to church early to stoke the stove. I have to crank up my old model"T" and the dirt road up here is kinda rough. I wanted to trade her off a while back but the Rambler American I was looking at didn't have A/C or cruise control! LOL Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 My bow shoots 280 in compliance with ASA rules and I've shot up here with the IBO 300+ FPS shooters and have done just fine. You can make excuses til your blue in the face, but it's my honest opinion it's always the shooter, not the bow. But in your favor, IBO does require speed to compete if ya suck at yardage.......300FPS is more than enough to shoot the big classes in IBO which is BH and ABH. Kat...I see what your saying here...but what he was saying is your average little bow club having a 3D shoot. Guy shooting an old compound in the "hunter" class against a guy shooting a new compound in the "hunter" class. Your competing in the same class...but the guy who is shooting a fast bow doesn't have to be as close in yardage as the guy with the old bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Who cares what other people do with their money or 2 year old bows? Why ask why? Who cares......I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 i think a lot of people want to gain an edge,,The truth is buying a bow every year or every other year to better your equipment isn't always going to help you bag the big boy,, i personally have had my mathews for 4 years now,, shoots great,, but i think i still have some pope and youngs to shoot before i retire my ol' girl... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Who cares what other people do with their money or 2 year old bows? Why ask why? Who cares......I don't. You have never been curious as to why people do some of the things they do? I find it interesting and sometimes learn a thing or two. I suspect that was the nature of the original post, and I sure don't see anything wrong with asking a simple question. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 (edited) I dont trade very often..my first bow was a Sears recurve back in '75, then a New Bear Whitetail hunter in 79, then in '94 my first New Oneida, then another New Oneida in 2001, recently went to a used Mathews Switchback XT..so on average 7 years, or 25 deer or so..the latest bells and whistles dont impress me to the point I gotta have it! Edited April 6, 2009 by Mathews XT Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 my point is ( this topic totally changed topics, sorry bout that ) is that a good shooter will beat new equipment. It takes practice, equipment is not going to help you win.....it takes string time. I'd put my slow hoyt pro elite, with pins against most anyone and their brand new bow....shooting 300+, with a long stab and their choice of scope or any other accessory. The only thing I will say that I agree on is the speed issue in IBO shoots. It takes more skill to shoot a 280 FPS bow than it does a 300 FPS bow. But again, practice and you'll beat up on the 300 FPS guys after awhile. In all fairness I can't really argue with you on the IBO stuff, ASA shuts us down at 280 FPS to make it level across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 You have never been curious as to why people do some of the things they do? Of course I wonder that, all the time about people. I was curious as to why he (or anybody else for that matter) cares what other people do with their paychecks. If a guy wanted to buy 3 top line bows at the same time, I wouldn't care. I asked the question, why ask why? I've got a brother who has 7 kids. 7! I don't ask him why, it's his family, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted April 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 OHIOBUCKS SAID: I was curious as to why he (or anybody else for that matter) cares what other people do with their paychecks. Why do you care why I care???? ....Now that immediate thought that you just had about me is the same one I had about you when I read your first post...Think about it...... I'm sure neither your first post nor my above post were meant to offend the other, but it would be very easy for either person to take it out of context... The point is that I was just asking a question and like Doc said maybe I could learn a thing or two that I didn't know about improvements or such...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 OHIOBUCKS SAID: I was curious as to why he (or anybody else for that matter) cares what other people do with their paychecks. Why do you care why I care???? ....Now that immediate thought that you just had about me is the same one I had about you when I read your first post...Think about it...... I'm sure neither your first post nor my above post were meant to offend the other, but it would be very easy for either person to take it out of context... The point is that I was just asking a question and like Doc said maybe I could learn a thing or two that I didn't know about improvements or such...... Sorry if I offended you HH, neither of my posts were meant to offend anyone. Maybe if I would have left the dude out, it would have been taken differently. Again, no biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 (edited) I dont trade very often..my first bow was a Sears recurve back in '75, then a New Bear Whitetail hunter in 79, then in '94 my first New Oneida, then another New Oneida in 2001, recently went to a used Mathews Switchback XT..so on average 7 years, or 25 deer or so..the latest bells and whistles dont impress me to the point I gotta have it! HOLY CRAP!!!!! Is that you Martin??????? Welcome to the Darkside. The whole upgrading a bow thing every couple years is why I try not to shoot the newest bows everytime I go to the pro shop. If I do I usually get into trouble. I shot the Reezen the other day and had all kind of crazy excuses going through my head on why I should buy one!!! I had to keep saying you work for Chrysler, you work for Chrysler. I might not have a job next season so I definatly shouldnt be buying a new bow. I say to each their own, if you can do it, than go for it. And HH, dont mind Tom, hes from ohio!!!!:D Edited April 6, 2009 by craig mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted April 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 no worries:D I'm the same way with not shooting new bows. I haven't shot a bow at a bow shop in 5 years and it's very much on purpose b/c I'm sure if I walk in there and shoot one I'm gonna fall in love and end up taking one home..... Then I got to explain to the finance why after just buying a new house and having a wedding coming up that I spent our kitchen table money on a bow... I can only imagine the warm welcome I would get for pulling that. I guess one bright side is that I might have all the huntng time I need... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_70 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I'm going the complete opposite way, I'm going back to all traditional and resetting my compound to barebones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Of course I wonder that, all the time about people. I was curious as to why he (or anybody else for that matter) cares what other people do with their paychecks. If a guy wanted to buy 3 top line bows at the same time, I wouldn't care. I asked the question, why ask why? I've got a brother who has 7 kids. 7! I don't ask him why, it's his family, not mine. Well, the simple answer is that some pretty good reasons came out as to the benefits of staying updated. So the answer boils down to the fact that that is how we learn things is by asking why. Of course I suppose that if we already know everything, there probably is no reason to ask any questions. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I'm going the complete opposite way, I'm going back to all traditional and resetting my compound to barebones. Fantastic!!! I love hearing about bowhunters getting back to the roots of archery. To my way of thinking, the satisfaction of success with more primitive equipment has to be one of the most fulfilling feelings in hunting. I have tried several times over the years with no success at all which makes me admire (and envy) someone who does do it successfully all the more. Actually, when I first started shooting, I used recurves, instinctive, and got pretty darn good at it. However over the years the compound has made me pretty darn reliant on the technology, and I never was able to revert back to traditional archery. Congratulations. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcdeer54 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 mine is 8 years old and still kills deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 (edited) Well, the simple answer is that some pretty good reasons came out as to the benefits of staying updated. So the answer boils down to the fact that that is how we learn things is by asking why. Of course I suppose that if we already know everything, there probably is no reason to ask any questions. Doc Yep. I could ask a lot of "why" questions about others in this forum I don't understand, but I really don't care to know more about those individuals. Edited April 6, 2009 by Ohiobucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 You have never been curious as to why people do some of the things they do? I find it interesting and sometimes learn a thing or two. I suspect that was the nature of the original post, and I sure don't see anything wrong with asking a simple question. Doc Well, the simple answer is that some pretty good reasons came out as to the benefits of staying updated. So the answer boils down to the fact that that is how we learn things is by asking why. Of course I suppose that if we already know everything, there probably is no reason to ask any questions. Doc Here's a question, why would anyone else want to set another forum member up on their block/ignore list? I already know the answer to this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Here's a question, why would anyone else want to set another forum member up on their block/ignore list? I already know the answer to this one. Well, you have to do whatever you think you have to do. That still won't stop me from asking questions when they arise, and I doubt it will be influencing any other members by stifling their questions either. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Why are yall talking anyway......aren't crossbows allowed in Ohio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Why are yall talking anyway......aren't crossbows allowed in Ohio? Troublemaker... :D:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Troublemaker... :D:rolleyes: who me???? I'm an angel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swohiodave Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 why do some women want a new purse all the time or shoes, why does my friend chris want a new cell phone every 3 months.... latest and greatest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Why are yall talking anyway......aren't crossbows allowed in Ohio? No Kyle...Thier exchanging recipes:D I'm just confused by all of this...I recently bought a used, newer to me, older than current bow So does that mean that my feet are planted firmly on unstable ground? P.S. I contacted Susan Suffredini at Tarjac.com today and I decided I'm having the limbs and cams from my older PSE Typhoon dipped at thier plant. I picked out a Carbon Fiber Pattern. I'm having the Riser powder coated at a local business flat black in color. Just over $100 and I'll have a "New to Me-Old Familiar Friend" It wont shoot any faster or more accurate...but it will look like it does...LOL Edited April 8, 2009 by GWSmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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