The_Kat Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 What a race.....The big one happened on lap 7. The finish was awesome. Carl flipped across the finish line, as brad kesolowski took his first win. Scary wreck for sure....but was it not awesome to see carl talladega night it and run across the finish line!!!! Simply awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Word is now that there are injurys in the stands from debris flying off carl's car. Sure hope it's nothing serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I hope everyone in the stands is ok!! But wow what a race!! I guess the COT isnt quite perfect yet though, the idea behind the new car is that they wouldnt fly into the stands. But, I guess you cant prepare for every situation. I thought JR. had this one in the bag until I saw Carl and Brad coming!!! Glad to see Brad pull it out over Edwards, and good to see Jr. in 2nd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I woulda been mad if Brad hadn't won and he pushed cousin carl to the win instead of his car owner Jr. I still can't believe edwards ran to the finish lol......that made my day. If yer not first your last lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 awesome show for sure!!! the run to the line was great but the hop at the end on the finish line was priceless, funny stuff right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Great race. We have raced with Brad here in Michigan and he is a good kid. Family of racers. Glad to see someone we raced with make it to the big leagues and win on the big stage! Way to go Brad! Scary indeed for the fans as debris went flying as car hit that retaining fence hard. This is why restrictor plates are needed, you have to slow down these cars, if not you would see them go over that fence with the speeds they would be going! Hope everyone is o.k and the only thing hurt is about 20+ race cars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Great race. We have raced with Brad here in Michigan and he is a good kid. Family of racers. Glad to see someone we raced with make it to the big leagues and win on the big stage! Way to go Brad! Scary indeed for the fans as debris went flying as car hit that retaining fence hard. This is why restrictor plates are needed, you have to slow down these cars, if not you would see them go over that fence with the speeds they would be going! Hope everyone is o.k and the only thing hurt is about 20+ race cars! is the amount of damage and debris going to be that much different from a wreck at 190 and 220??? I believe if anything is needed it is a better style of fence or polycarbonate style "catch". Just my opinion so take it as a grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 is the amount of damage and debris going to be that much different from a wreck at 190 and 220??? Yes. Congrats to Brad for getting his first win! It is awesome to see an underdog get to victory lane. Carl's wreck brought back some bad memories. When a car gets in the air and into the catch fence, it is very, very scare. Especially when you are just feet from the fence. A couple years ago the car I pit for had a similar incident, getting in the air and into the catch fence, and we were about 50' from the wreck. Scary for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Boy brad sure sticks to his guns. He faced some tough post race questions and he didn't budge a bit. I like this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Yes. explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I understand that by going faster the force, velocity, impact is greater but honestly, what parts are going to fail at 220 that arent going to fail at 190? rather those parts are, tires, metal tube, skins, the fencing, the stickers peeling off and so on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 explain At 220 MPH, there is a very good chance the 99 would have gone through or over the catch fence. It is not a matter of what parts might fail, it is a matter of whether or not a driver will walk away. Is there more damage/debris when a car cuts a tire and hits a wall at 170 MPH or 140 MPH? Add 30 MPH to Carl's wreck today and I can all but guarantee you that the wreck, as far as fan and driver safety, would have been much worse. When we had our bad wreck in 2007, the wreck was about 1/3 to 1/2 way down the back stretch, so the cars were going about 85 MPH or so. When our car landed, it was driver side down with the roof facing traffic. Another car plowed into our roof, collapsing the rollcage. Luckily, our driver wasn't hurt. Another 2" lower, or another 20 MPH faster, and I don't think he'd be racing today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 At 220 MPH, there is a very good chance the 99 would have gone through or over the catch fence. It is not a matter of what parts might fail, it is a matter of whether or not a driver will walk away. Is there more damage/debris when a car cuts a tire and hits a wall at 170 MPH or 140 MPH? Add 30 MPH to Carl's wreck today and I can all but guarantee you that the wreck, as far as fan and driver safety, would have been much worse. When we had our bad wreck in 2007, the wreck was about 1/3 to 1/2 way down the back stretch, so the cars were going about 85 MPH or so. When our car landed, it was driver side down with the roof facing traffic. Another car plowed into our roof, collapsing the rollcage. Luckily, our driver wasn't hurt. Another 2" lower, or another 20 MPH faster, and I don't think he'd be racing today. I totally agree with you about everything you have said with slower speeds under the 170 mark. I feel that the cars are built fantastically, and the things that will fail in a deadly manor will not be the cars, but the fences, just as you have stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Today's mess just helps hammer home my theory that no oval racing should be allowed on tracks over 1 mile. Rockingham was the best track they ever raced on. The safest answer to Talladega/Daytona would be to get rid of the banking, take off the plates and let them race (restrictor plate "racing" is not racing). But, then you'd have you typical cookie-cutter snoozer like California and Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 That was a wild wreck at the end and I'm glad everyone was ok. Brad did what he had to do at the end and did a good job. Congrats to him! Rusty Wallace drove a car without the plate at Dega just for fun a few years back and ran at over 240 mph. That is crazy. If they took the plates off those cars today they would run near 250. The fence would not hold that in my opionion (I install fences for a living) and fan and drivers would get killed at those speeds. Until they come up with something different... they have to keep the plates on those cars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Today's mess just helps hammer home my theory that no oval racing should be allowed on tracks over 1 mile. Rockingham was the best track they ever raced on. The safest answer to Talladega/Daytona would be to get rid of the banking, take off the plates and let them race (restrictor plate "racing" is not racing). But, then you'd have you typical cookie-cutter snoozer like California and Michigan. I love plate racing. Daytona and 'Dega are two of my favorites to watch. Anything can happen and anybody can win. The races where its obvious that somebody has a dominant car are boring to me. Sometimes it seems the only way someone can get ahead of said car is by a pit error or a wreck. I agree that everything possible should be done to ensure everyones safety, but no oval racing on big tracks?? Those are the best races in my opinion. Theres a better chance of a fan getting killed in a wreck on the way to a race then getting killed in the stands. And as far as the driver goes, no one is forcing them into the car to race it. Its a chance you take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 It sure wasn't boring at the end! I'm glad to see Brad win his first race! I'm happier to see #24 & #48 DNF! LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 It sure wasn't boring at the end! I'm glad to see Brad win his first race! I'm happier to see #24 & #48 DNF! LOL!! Jeff didn't DNF Orlan ... he finished the race .. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 One of the spectators had to be airlifted out from what I heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Kyle Busch got what was coming to him. There's no point in blocking that aggresively with that many laps to go.The kids a knucklehead. Congrats to Brad!He did exactly what he's supposed to do in that situation.If he moves down below the yellow line to avoid Carl he gets in trouble from NASCAR.Carl handled it like a proffesional, and didn't put any blame on Brad, which i was glad to see.It's nice to see an underdog win once in a while. Hey RTF, from what i read this morning, the only reason the one person was airlifted was to avoid the traffic leaving the track.I believe the worst injury was a broken jaw.It could've been a lot worse. Edited April 27, 2009 by MUDRUNNER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 jeff didn't dnf orlan ... He finished the race .. :d BIG DEAL! How many laps down?? LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I agree that everything possible should be done to ensure everyones safety, but no oval racing on big tracks?? Those are the best races in my opinion. Do you honestly believe California, Michigan, Chicago, Kansas, etc. are better races than Richmond or Bristol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 BIG DEAL! How many laps down?? LOL!!! ONLY 60 laps I think .. :D but it's still not a DNF .. :D;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Do you honestly believe California, Michigan, Chicago, Kansas, etc. are better races than Richmond or Bristol? Of course not. I just dont see why anybody wouldnt want to see races on a track like 'Dega. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Of course not. I just dont see why anybody wouldnt want to see races on a track like 'Dega. Seeing 1/2 the field get taken out on lap 6 is a joke. You can't tell me you can really enjoy the race when you can hardly see the backstretch. And I for one hate plate racing. It completely takes the drivers abilities out of the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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