popgun Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 The nail was hit on the head alright, but this is another Urban Legend e-mail. See the real story: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read Thanks Popgun. And TSB (Mike), I deleted your post for a good reason. With all due respect Mike, Your talking about commiting a holocaust against muslums man. Please refrain from that kind of talk in here...thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read Yes, it is an urban legend... we need to research things like this before we post them. Sometimes what we read is not always truth no matter how bad we want it too or how great it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] Thanks Popgun. And TSB (Mike), I deleted your post for a good reason. With all due respect Mike, Your talking about commiting a holocaust against muslums man. Please refrain from that kind of talk in here...thanks [/ QUOTE ] Which part was out of line... about going to New York or Boston I don't care man. If you couldn't tell it was joke then do what you have to do. But I know, some people might come in here and see that and get offended. We can't have that now can we, them getting offended. But your right, I was wrong and I admit that (slapping my hands...) Now, give me my bow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read so, does any one out there know the name of any muslim clerics who HAVE criticized the 911 attacks, or who denounce the beheading of soldiers and others? look as i will, i still haven't found a muslim condemning other muslims for killing. is this truely "the religion of peace?" yea, right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] so, does any one out there know the name of any muslim clerics who HAVE criticized the 911 attacks, or who denounce the beheading of soldiers and others? look as i will, i still haven't found a muslim condemning other muslims for killing. is this truely "the religion of peace?" yea, right [/ QUOTE ] How about this. American Muslim Response to the September Attacks Released September 21, 2001 We, the undersigned Muslim organizations, support the President and Congress of the U.S. in the struggle against terrorism. Holding to the ideals of both our religion and our country, we condemn all forms of terrorism, and confirm the need for perpetrators of any such acts of violence to be brought to justice, including those who carried out the attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001. At the same time, in the planning of this "war against terrorism," we call upon the President and Congress to reaffirm the values and principles that make this country great, namely that one is innocent until proven guilty, that all accused have the right to a fair trial, that no one be punished for the acts of another, and that respect for human life is supreme, regardless of race or religion. To this end, we urge the U.S. government not to abandon the due process of law in determining responsibility for the attacks and punishing the guilty parties. We are saddened by the possibility of military action, as we do not believe that terrorism can be eliminated solely or even effectively through military force. Rather we call upon our leaders to recognize that in order to rid the world of the ugliness of terrorism, our nation must understand its root causes. We hold out the hope that these root causes can be addressed through non-violent means, in a way that promotes peace and harmony between the nations of the world. Signed: Afghan Muslim Association (Fremont, CA) American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice (AMGPJ) American Muslims for Jerusalem (Northern California) American Muslims Intent on Learning and Activism (AMILA) Arab-American Congress, Council on American-Islamic Relations (Northern California) Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) Bay Area Islamic Networks Group (ING) Islamic Society of the East Bay (Union City, CA) Islamic Society of San Francisco Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) West Zone Muslim American Society Muslim Community Association (MCA) Muslim Peace Fellowship (Nyack, NY) South Bay Islamic Association (San Jose, CA) Zaytuna Institute (Hayward, CA) Or This Call for holy war condemned by Florida Muslim cleric By James D. Davis Religion Editor, The Sun-Sentinel, October 13 2001 Osama bin Laden and his call for a jihad, or holy war, against the United States were denounced in a scathing address on Friday by the leader of one of Florida's largest mosques. "There are some who tarnish Islam, who do terror in the name of Islam," said Maulana Shafayat Mohamed, head of Darul Uloom Institute in Pembroke Pines. "They confuse jihad with their own problems. We must educate them about Islam, so they will not corrupt it." He added that his fellow American Muslim leaders must not only denounce terrorism, they should rein in and weed out their more radical followers. Mohamed gave his views during a sermon for jumah, or Friday prayer, at the cavernous storefront mosque. More than 700 worshipers of varying backgrounds -- African, Indonesian, Caribbean and Pakistani, as well as Middle Eastern -- listened, sitting on the striped green and gold carpet and spilling out into the lobby. The ameer, garbed in a white turban and flowing cream-colored robes, called radicals ignorant of Islamic teaching and in need of instruction. "Many people understand little about Islam, and it's our job to educate ourselves, so we can educate them. "If we do not, we will raise our hands to pray, and God will not listen to us," Mohamed said, his gesturing hand shaking his wooden minbar, or pulpit. "We will ask for help, and he will not." In his wide-ranging sermon, he ridiculed bin Laden and his deputies in the al-Qaida organization for promising rewards in paradise for suicide bombings, while they themselves hide in caves. The ameer also criticized those who condone terrorism as a tool of foreign policy. He pointed out that the bombing of U.S. embassies killed innocent people as well as supposed combatants. He named major organizations, including the Islamic Circle of North America and the Islamic Society of North America, plus area Islamic centers, as groups that should prevent radicals from rising to positions of influence. He said his own mosque carefully screens guest speakers. "We do not allow politicians and radicals to represent us, " Mohamed said. "That's why Darul Uloom is the largest mosque in South Florida." He said Muslims should accept their shortcomings and admit, for instance, that believers sometimes kill one another. As one example, he mentioned the longtime civil war in Afghanistan between the ruling Taliban party and the Northern Alliance, a rebel army of fellow Muslims. For those who complain of Jewish and Christian influence in the United States, Mohamed said Muslims could simply run for office and build their own TV networks. "Many Muslims tell me of their money, their businesses. Well, they should put their money where their mouth is." He criticized Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, who on Thursday offered New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani $10 million for the recovery effort, then said America should re-examine its Mideastern policies. No connection should have been made between relief and politics, Mohamed said. He hinted at a backlash among other Americans if Muslims don't counter and tone down the radicals among them. "It is sad that minorities among us allow emotion to overpower their understanding, and to say or do things they should not," Mohamed said. "But when the ship sinks, we all sink, the educated and the ignorant people." Mohamed said his views had prompted some Muslims to call him an infidel and that American Taliban sympathizers even sometimes threaten him. Some months ago, he said, a man whom he did not identify told him, "Your blood is halal" -- meaning that it would be permissible to kill him. "I don't support the pack," said Mohamed, who was raised in Trinidad and educated in India. "I don't have the cultural upbringing that keeps me from seeing the truth." "A lot of Muslims are ignorant and join small radical groups," said Naim Mohammed, an upholsterer who lives in Sunrise. "But if every Muslim read the Quran directly, he wouldn't become a terrorist." Shuaib Abdoel, a North Lauderdale resident who works for a film producer, added his own denunciations of bin Laden: "He calls himself a leader, but the blood of innocent lives has been shed in his name. I think he should just surrender." The ameer was less direct on what do to about the Arab-Israeli conflict, simply saying that Muslims and Jews there should sit down and talk. "Jews and Muslims come to America, work in the same business, live in the same apartment building and the same neighborhood," he said. "Why can't they live together in the Holy Land?" Or these * "Hijacking Planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood constitute a form of injustice that can not be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts." Shaykh Abdul Aziz al-Ashaikh (Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and Chairman of the Senior Ulama, on September 15th, 2001) *The terrorists acts, from the perspective of Islamic law, constitute the crime of hirabah (waging war against society)." Sept. 27, 2001 fatwa, signed by: Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi (Grand Islamic Scholar and Chairman of the Sunna and Sira Countil, Qatar) Judge Tariq al-Bishri, First Deputy President of the Council d'etat, Egypt Dr. Muhammad s. al-Awa, Professor of Islamic Law and Shari'a, Egypt Dr. Haytham al-Khayyat, Islamic scholar, Syria Fahmi Houaydi, Islamic scholar, Syria Shaykh Taha Jabir al-Alwani, Chairman, North America High Council *"Neither the law of Islam nor its ethical system justify such a crime." Zaki Badawi, Principal of the Muslim College in London. Cited in Arab News, Sept. 28, 2001. *"It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to Praise those who kill innocent people." Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan. Cited in NY Times, Sept. 28, 2001. *"What these people stand for is completely against all the principles that Arab Muslims believe in." King Abdullah II, of Jordan; cited in Middle East Times, Sept. 28, 2001. *Ingrid Mattson, a professor of Islamic studies and Muslim-Christian relations at Hartford Seminary in Hartford, said there was no basis in Islamic law or sacred text for Mr. bin Laden's remarks. "The basic theological distortion is that any means are permitted to achieve the end of protesting against perceived oppression." Dr. Ingrid Mattson, a practicing Muslim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read Good post slugshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read Yep, think it is only the extremist muslims who are declaring a jihad. Seems to me that, like many other terror organizations, those leaders of those terror groups who are making this a religious war seekout and recruit the weak at mind to do their dirty work. A shame that there are so many out there willing to die and kill other innocent people in the name of their belief because someone tells them this garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read Yeah...we have a group here in the USA and Canada called the KKK who claim to be God fearing Christians who are on the same level as these terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read Very true Steve. What is scary is that many of those people really and truly believe that what they do is in some way right in the eyes of the Lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] Yeah...we have a group here in the USA and Canada called the KKK who claim to be God fearing Christians who are on the same level as these terrorists. [/ QUOTE ] Not even close - terrorist fly planes into building, the KKK would be driving pickup trucks into them..... On a much serious note - if you even begin to think the Klan and the Muslims are equal then you're misguided. The Klan has no direction, has no focuc, no eductation and no will to proceed with anything much more than a march. However, Muslims are highly educted, well motivated, focused on their cause and will see that cause through to the end. It's sad to say but nearly half of America can't stay focused on a 30 minute sit-com - muchless a cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] Not even close - terrorist fly planes into building, the KKK would be driving pickup trucks into them..... On a much serious note - if you even begin to think the Klan and the Muslims are equal then you're misguided. The Klan has no direction, has no focuc, no eductation and no will to proceed with anything much more than a march. However, Muslims are highly educted, well motivated, focused on their cause and will see that cause through to the end. It's sad to say but nearly half of America can't stay focused on a 30 minute sit-com - muchless a cause. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with that, totally. How can you compare the arabs with KKK. No way, sorry Buckee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read I looked up the guy who wrote the thing. Go here and see thier story. They say it really happend. I find it interesting that an urban legend sight is so quick to say something isn't true without researching both sides of a story. http://www.theharrypottervideo.com/main/articles-019.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read I think Steve is referring to the idea of hatred against another group of people based on their religion, color, or whatever in which case I do think there are some similarities in the klan and the extremist muslims in that they both seem to want to eradicate what they view as the enemy. The views of the klan has maybe changed somewhat, but if we all take a look back it was not all that long ago that they were killing innocent people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] Its all a crock of crap to me,I realize we live in America,But if they cannot live here and respect our way of life why dont they all go back to to there violent! rebelios! unworthy! ignorant! selfish !nonworthy! sand pit they came from! [/ QUOTE ] You mean our tolerant, melting pot, built by immigrants, freedom of religion way of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] Its all a crock of crap to me,I realize we live in America,But if they cannot live here and respect our way of life why dont they all go back to to there violent! rebelios! unworthy! ignorant! selfish !nonworthy! sand pit they came from! [/ QUOTE ] I don't care what anybody says MikeT, I agree with you 100% AND BEYOND. Good thing Slugo aint President huh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read you had a good post sluggo. i truely hope those facts are true. but, i sure don't hear much about muslims criticising other muslim extremists. in fact, i've never before heard any of those statements. i do intend to check them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] you had a good post sluggo. i truely hope those facts are true. but, i sure don't hear much about muslims criticising other muslim extremists. in fact, i've never before heard any of those statements. i do intend to check them out. [/ QUOTE ] you sure seem to be looking to start somthing in here.......do you really think anyone cares if you check them out??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] you had a good post sluggo. i truely hope those facts are true. but, i sure don't hear much about muslims criticising other muslim extremists. in fact, i've never before heard any of those statements. i do intend to check them out. [/ QUOTE ] you sure seem to be looking to start somthing in here.......do you really think anyone cares if you check them out??? [/ QUOTE ] He's new here. Cut him some slack. He's full of energy and ready to go on the attack, right now he probably thinks I am a far left liberal with no knowledge of history which the rest of you know is not true. Anyone who doesn't know what the term impeached means doesn't need to lecture me about needing to read history. And since he is new, any derivations of my handle such as sluggo,slug and ss can only be used by established members of this room, you have to call me Mr. Slugshooter, at least for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] He's new here. Cut him some slack. He's full of energy and ready to go on the attack [/ QUOTE ] You ever thought about being a rapper SLUGO Hey I been meaning to ask you what the heck Saper Vedere means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He's new here. Cut him some slack. He's full of energy and ready to go on the attack [/ QUOTE ] You ever thought about being a rapper SLUGO Hey I been meaning to ask you what the heck Saper Vedere means [/ QUOTE ] Now that you mention it, I reread what I typed and it did seem to have a rhyming quality about it, time to call Eminem and Dr. Dre. As far as Saper Vedere, it means, knowing how to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] And since he is new, any derivations of my handle such as sluggo,slug and ss can only be used by established members of this room, you have to call me Mr. Slugshooter, at least for the time being. [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read ANYTHING... ANYONE gets in the email, unless absolutely written by the sender I will assume is False unless I can research it for myself and find to be true... Although for great reading and such, it is about all I can say about it. I really doubt this EVER happened..It was just some person with a good imagination for what they would really like to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Re: Muslim Religion.. Must read [ QUOTE ] right now he probably thinks I am a far left liberal with no knowledge of history [/ QUOTE ] Well, we's pretty sure about da far left [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He's new here. Cut him some slack. He's full of energy and ready to go on the attack [/ QUOTE ] You ever thought about being a rapper SLUGO [/ QUOTE ] Now that's funny I have a tune going in my head already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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