muggs Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 This usually means that the more you're hated, the more you once did for the same people. Basically this conversation from a bunch of hacks who never did anything even remotely close to his caliber in anything. JMHO. Why criticize him for doing anything? Who's he hurting? I mean, he doesn't come to your job and throw rocks at you while your mowing does he?:eek: Because, it's my duty to open all of your eyes...it always has been... always will be. I'd be doing a great disservice to you all if I just sat by idly without pointing out the massive amounts of wool that is pulled over your eyes daily. The Muggsbow cometh...bringing forth enlightenment and clarity to the masses... And in saying all this, simply put, Favre is a jerk. Don't let the workin' man nostalgia fool you for he's not the good guy marketing execs protray to sell you Wrangler jeans. Good day, Sirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 (edited) What was that??? I think Oden just committed another foul. Sure glad Durant stunk it up this year. You ever see Durant play defense? Oh wait...no one has... He can score, no one ever said he couldn't...but so can a lot of guys. Durant has no NBA position and cannot D up on anyone without either getting blown by by a smaller quicker guard or without getting pushed around by a larger forward. Don't let guady stats get in the way of the truth, C lou. Oden will be a major force in the middle for some deep Portland playoff runs. They're still about 2 years away...patience is a virtue which is hard to acheive my friends, but I ask that we exercise it here. Edited May 6, 2009 by muggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 You ever see Durant play defense? Oh wait...no one has... Does anybody play defense? I would rather have the points than a guy with 5 fouls riding the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 (edited) Does anybody play defense? I would rather have the points than a guy with 5 fouls riding the bench. No, not everyone. Just guys who played for the Spurs the last 5 or 6 years, or guys playing for the Celtics or Cavs right now. It was his defense that propelled Jordan to the known as the greatest of all time, and it was LeBron's defense that has propelled him to MVP and led the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. It doesn't hurt he's surround by great on and off the ball defenders, in Big Ben Wallace, West, Varejo and Joe Smith. Durant can score, and he's gonna get points on a team that really has no other scoring option. But his inability to defend and his lack of a real NBA position have more to do with the Thunders 23-59 record than his huge PPG average is doing to correct that same record. If Oden can stay healthy (big "if" granted) he'll be the final piece that Portland team will need to be a true contender. My point has been all along, a dominant inside presense is a huge key to success in the NBA...scorers are a dime-a-dozen and they don't lead you to championships on their own. If you have a chance to land a 7 footer with that type of rebounding and shot blocking potential....you take it if you're serious about contending. Durant could be a piece of a contending team- but they'll need to surround him with on and off the ball defenders or he'll have to sign or be traded to a contending team. His poor defense will always be a liability. Edited May 6, 2009 by muggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 So when Lebron wills the Cavs to the title this year, who is going to be the dominant inside presense? Zadrunas Illgaulakdklaidkjfsdosdf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 So when Lebron wills the Cavs to the title this year, who is going to be the dominant inside presense? Zadrunas Illgaulakdklaidkjfsdosdf? Man...I could only imagine if they did have an inside presense...it would do for LeBron, what Shaq did for both Kobe and DWade. Wow, just the thought of that. That's also why Danny Ferry tried moving for Shaq, even at his age. As an aside, Kobe and D Wade have combined for 4 titles with Shaq, and 0 without him. Ben Wallace and Andy Varejo aren't that dominant, but the Cavs have a lot of Big Man depth and play such good defense it's the reason they are where they are. Really, none of the contending teams have a dominant big, but the Lakers have a great inside game...what makes them the favorite in my opinion. If the Cavs did have a dominant big they'd be unstoppable, as would about 5 teams in the NBA right now. But alas, dominant bigs are hard to come by- that's why you take one at #1 when the opportunity presents itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAhunter14 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 No, not everyone. Just guys who played for the Spurs the last 5 or 6 years, or guys playing for the Celtics or Cavs right now. It was his defense that propelled Jordan to the known as the greatest of all time, and it was LeBron's defense that has propelled him to MVP and led the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. It doesn't hurt he's surround by great on and off the ball defenders, in Big Ben Wallace, West, Varejo and Joe Smith. Durant can score, and he's gonna get points on a team that really has no other scoring option. But his inability to defend and his lack of a real NBA position have more to do with the Thunders 23-59 record than his huge PPG average is doing to correct that same record. If Oden can stay healthy (big "if" granted) he'll be the final piece that Portland team will need to be a true contender. My point has been all along, a dominant inside presense is a huge key to success in the NBA...scorers are a dime-a-dozen and they don't lead you to championships on their own. If you have a chance to land a 7 footer with that type of rebounding and shot blocking potential....you take it if you're serious about contending. Durant could be a piece of a contending team- but they'll need to surround him with on and off the ball defenders or he'll have to sign or be traded to a contending team. His poor defense will always be a liability. What about Favre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 (edited) What about Favre? You been around here long enough to know how this goes ma man. Anyway, his defense stinks too. Edited May 6, 2009 by muggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 What about Favre? I just read on ESPN that Mark Martin is coming back full time next year. Can we bash on him for coming out of retirement? Didn't he retire a couple of years ago. The only reason Favre gets all the press is because people care. Deep down muggsy wants him to comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I just read on ESPN that Mark Martin is coming back full time next year. Can we bash on him for coming out of retirement? Didn't he retire a couple of years ago. The only reason Favre gets all the press is because people care. Deep down muggsy wants him to comeback. I'm on the fence, it will be fun watching him implode, but there's one group that really wants him to come back. I'm not talking about the people of Minnesota either, I'm talking about the defensive backs on the Vikings schedule this season. btw- it's not just that's he's coming back, bud. It's the fact he's hand picking the biggest rival of the team and fanbase who idolize him...all because his ego was challenged when they didn't want him back. He flew into Green Back, unwanted, expecting a similar ovation Clemens (another bad guy- but at least people realize this) got when he showed up in Steinbrenner's pressbox....you know "of all the dramatic things I have ever seen....goodness gractious, goodness gractious" and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 So when Lebron wills the Cavs to the title this year, who is going to be the dominant inside presense? Zadrunas Illgaulakdklaidkjfsdosdf? No, it will be the same guy that led that other #23 with the dominating inside play to all of those championships. I am amazed that you think scoring is not important and it is all about defense. A great defense cannot stop a scorer. Look at Bird, Magic, Jordan, James, Durant..... Now for your dominant big men, take Yao Ming, they don't get any bigger, he can be stopped from scoring with a pretty simple defense. The Mavericks completely shut him down in the second half of the last game of the regular season. It made the difference between a 3 seed & 5 seed, so it was an important game. And that depends if they even show up on the floor, usually they seem to be MIA getting a toe wrapped or some other lame excuse to miss the game. The legs, knees, feet, toes etc. were just not made to withstand the rigors of that much weight/size on them in todays NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Who cares about the stupid NBA????? :D Sorry, someone had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Who cares about the stupid NBA????? :D Sorry, someone had to. It was brought up so we had to argue about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Who cares about the stupid NBA????? :D Sorry, someone had to. I was thinking the same thing, but I didnt want to open that can of worms:D:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Brett has donated $1.5 million to kids through the Brett Favre Fourward Foundation. He has held annual Celebrity Softball Games, and other activities to raise money for charities. He has donated to the Warhawk Wheelchair Athletes, and after Hurricane Katrina, Brett used his own home as a refuge for peoples whos home were destroyed. ....This guy does sound like a real jerk:rolleyes: ( im sure there is more but, this is what I found after about 5 min of looking) Funny how soon everyone forgets all the good things folks do as soon as a chance to bash them arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorden Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Funny how soon everyone forgets all the good things folks do as soon as a chance to bash them arises. Exactly...so what if he led Green Bay to its first Super Bowl in 29 years, seven division championships, 4 NFC championships, 11 playoff appearances and and 13 winning seasons...he wants to keep playing football...what a jerk:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) Yeah, I mean he's 21 year's old...it's his first full season in the league...his window is WAY closed. John, go back to managing your terrible fantasy baseball team and leave the people who know sports to their own business. K? Ok fantasy genius. I'm what...5 games back in month 1 of a season that spreads out over 7...in a league where there is no money to be won? Yeah, you better put me on suicide watch. I'm real shaken up over here. Maybe I'll be so upset I'll hit one of these keys to hard and break a fingernail like your boy Oden and miss the rest of the season. You see the fact it's his first full season is part of the problem DB. Dude was drafted like 8 years ago. Durant accomplished more in his first NBA game than Oden has over his whole illustrious NBA career. #1 picks aren't supposed to be fragile as glass and spend 90% of their season on the bench because they busted a toenail. Edited May 7, 2009 by buckbuster11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I think Muggsy is just upset because Favre isn't interested in playing in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I think Muggsy is just upset because Favre isn't interested in playing in Cleveland. Nah, I already have my man crush here.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 No, it will be the same guy that led that other #23 with the dominating inside play to all of those championships. I am amazed that you think scoring is not important and it is all about defense. A great defense cannot stop a scorer. Look at Bird, Magic, Jordan, James, Durant..... Now for your dominant big men, take Yao Ming, they don't get any bigger, he can be stopped from scoring with a pretty simple defense. The Mavericks completely shut him down in the second half of the last game of the regular season. It made the difference between a 3 seed & 5 seed, so it was an important game. And that depends if they even show up on the floor, usually they seem to be MIA getting a toe wrapped or some other lame excuse to miss the game. The legs, knees, feet, toes etc. were just not made to withstand the rigors of that much weight/size on them in todays NBA. I knew someone would bring out Jordan. You're correct, it takes a once generation talent to form a dynasty without a dominant big in the likes of a Jordan or LeBron. But when you consider all the NBA dynasties 98% of them had a dominant big. Shaq, Duncan (along with Robinson for their first), Bill Russell, Kareem, Hakeem, and Wilt. I guess you could throw Bird's C's into the conversation of a dynasty without a dominant big. But the 80's where a different era and teams ran up and down and scored 140 points a game...different times now. Even so, Parrish and McHale weren't so bad- but I wouldn't call them dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Btw- TexasT, Yao is not a dominant big. I'm not just talking about having a 7 footer, he has to be a dominant rebounder and intimidating defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Btw- TexasT, Yao is not a dominant big. I'm not just talking about having a 7 footer, he has to be a dominant rebounder and intimidating defender. FINALLY...... You have said something that I agree with.:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 FINALLY...... You have said something that I agree with.:D:D You must be catching on.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Your the man:rolleyes: Honestly, I do not see what the big deal is. If Brett wants to play football then let him play. I am a Packer fan but I am a Favre fan(yes you can be both) and I am greatful for everything he did for the Packers during his time there. How quickly everyone forgets what he did for them while he was there. So what if he wants to keep playing. What is wrong with that:confused:. His main goal is to stick the screws to ya, bud...just sayin'. I have to agree with Muggs. If Favre wants to come back and play again, fine. But is he going to "retire" every year so he can get a release from the team he was on so he can pick and choose where he wants to go to next? I would say his main goal in going to Minnesota is to put the screws to Green Bay's management. My problem is that he wants to come back for the wrong reasons. That beind said, sounds like he'll stay retired. At least for today anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAhunter14 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 I have to agree with Muggs. If Favre wants to come back and play again, fine. But is he going to "retire" every year so he can get a release from the team he was on so he can pick and choose where he wants to go to next? I would say his main goal in going to Minnesota is to put the screws to Green Bay's management. My problem is that he wants to come back for the wrong reasons. That beind said, sounds like he'll stay retired. At least for today anyway. yep, looks like he told the Vikings he wont come out of retirement to play for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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