jesse8953 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Just read and saw a clip on msn on government wanting to legalize pot to help the ecomomy:confused:.I have a problem with that.If it has been such a "bad drug" in the past, why is it "not so bad of a drug" if the government can make money on it:rolleyes:.It is not about the well being of the american people it is all about the money.If they can make money on cocaine or haroin are they going to be the next "not such a bad drug:eek:?" For the medical industry there is a lot worse things you are perscribed instesd of pot.If a cancer pacient needs pot to cope with pain,or to make them have a appatite to eat, would it be better than a unnatural, man made chemical.I don't know, but I think I would want something that grew out of the ground vs. something out of a labratory:rolleyes:.I saw for myself what cancer pacients go through {my dad} if pot would have helped, then the people need it.If the government says it is o.k. because of the taxes they will make, that is a load of bull! jmo, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Would not put much faith in what comes from msn's news site, but I did find a few articles over there, this one http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30587296/ and a few on the "Dopey" gay rights jerk Barney Frank calling on Obama to legalize it and there were also a few on Carlos Santana wanting to legalize it, go figure. Seems Obama's position according to this source is that he will not legalize pot on a national level. Bad move imo to legalize something just for the sake of being able to tax it with the notion it will generate revenue. Plenty of legal ways to generate revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Medical marijuana, in very very limited and tightly controlled situations, is one thing. Legal marijuana for recreational use is another. Totally disregarding the "high effects" or the "leads to harder drugs" argument, there's still the fact that using marijuana is a very unhealthy thing for your body. Its at least as bad, if not worse, than smoking cigarettes. Do we want to encourage or discourage that type of behavior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Once again the Beauracrats in DC are thinking about $$$$$ and new voters rather than thinking with their heads. The biggest reason that illegal drugs are a problem in this country right now, is that there is NO way to control the production and distribution of them. If they could, they would have already..........that's assuming that they really wanted to. In order to tax anything, you have to control distribution and production. Pot is too easily grown at home and too easy to distribute privately for the Government to tax. Liberals are only looking at legalizing it in order to open up a whole new demographic of voters. Most of the users I know vote Democrat anyways so it's really a non-issue to begin with. Health care.........welfare..............illegal immigration............abortion...........leaglizing drugs...........bailing out bad mortages.........free education........ The current group of leaders in Washington are cow-towning to the least common denominators..................The slide downhill has begun. God Help Us All. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Kinda gives the longstanding National D.A.R.E. Campaign a sharp stick in the eye. What a bunch of crap!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzilla45 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Part of me wants then to do this just because it would really help out during the next election. I would imagine most who vote for legalization would need to permanently turn on their "out of office" reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 it really is all about the money. taxes on tobacco (that evil death causing drug) are shooting sky high because more folks are quitting. washington wants the tax money, not your health. if tobacco is really all that bad like washington says it is, why don't they simply make it illegal? money is the only answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Once upon a time there were no illegal drugs. Then as people realized that people that abused them exhibited strange or dangerous behavior they wanted protection and the government stepped in. The bad thing these days is that addicts are helped along by the system. In the good old days you were on your own and eventually could not get a job, had no friends, and died of an overdose or got killed. If they legalize drugs they need to keep addicts off the dole and make them fair game if they misbehave. Then I'm all for it. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 You know who really doesn't want legalization of Marijuana? Mexican drug lords and distrubutors all over the U.S. People are making millions/billions of untaxed money. Legalize it and people could grow the stuff in their gardens...crime would fall way down. Then the DEA could concentrate on coke, meth and H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 So the big deal is basically so our " so "called President can get high, its not about the money he just wants to go to all the other countries and get crunk with the commie's. I think our government has a lot bigger things to do than worry about making pot, cannibis, or dope legal. I figured ace would support our el presidente on this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 it really is all about the money. taxes on tobacco (that evil death causing drug) are shooting sky high because more folks are quitting. washington wants the tax money, not your health. if tobacco is really all that bad like washington says it is, why don't they simply make it illegal? money is the only answer. The next time you go into a convenience store take notice of how much space and advertising are devoted to tobacco. In talking to the manager of a nearby WaWa Dairy store the tobacco sales generate most of the tax revenue for the state and the feds! Yer right Steve, your health be darned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 it really is all about the money. taxes on tobacco (that evil death causing drug) are shooting sky high because more folks are quitting. washington wants the tax money, not your health. if tobacco is really all that bad like washington says it is, why don't they simply make it illegal? money is the only answer. Pretty well hits the nail on the head right there. You know who really doesn't want legalization of Marijuana? Mexican drug lords and distrubutors all over the U.S. People are making millions/billions of untaxed money. Legalize it and people could grow the stuff in their gardens...crime would fall way down. Then the DEA could concentrate on coke, meth and H. Few problems with your ideas there Ace. One, how do the feds tax those folks "gardens" as you put it? Two, do you really think crime will drop? Three, it is pretty well a given that hard core addicts start out on pot, is it really wise to make legal a drug that common sense would say could lead to worse habits? If you were to be made legal, would you not agree that it would make it more readily available to kids? Four, why would the dea not already be concentrating on those harder core drugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Legalize it and people could grow the stuff in their gardens...crime would fall way down.And if we eliminated all speed limits, speeding tickets would fall way down. But somehow I just don't think that's the right answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I do not like illegal drugs of any kind and never have nor will I ever use them. But Mary jane is legal in other countries.....what has it done for them? I'm curious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Legalizing hooch would definitely create another strong voting base for the democrats.......... they've already got the black vote, the hispanic vote, the gay vote, the welfare vote...........now they can have the "potheads on SSI" vote. You know darned well that when a section of the populace finds it convenient to become disfunctionally dependant on Mary-J, it sure as he** won't be the dopers fault. It'll be classified as a disability and qualify said pothead for government disability payments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) As most of you know there was a point in time when Alcohol was as illegal as marijuana. Until the government realized how much money was being made from the likes of Al Capone and made booze legal once again but with stipulations. If everyone would look into the amount of money and resources spent a year on drug interdiction we would start to realize that there is actually money to be made by the government, and if you want my opinion I would rather have them get the money than the local drug dealer down the street who really doesnt care who he sales it to. It would just be going from one crook to another but at least the Government could put in place regulations and laws pertaining to the use and sales. The U.S. government spent a reported 26 BILLION thats $26,000,000,000 on drug interdiction alone. People act like once its legalized the community is going to fall apart and turn into a run down war-zone. Hate to tell everyone this but the people that will do it when its legal are the sameones that are doing it right now while its illegal. Now as far as the tobacco products the government has put a damper on the sale of any of these products here in Iowa. The state tobacco tax is continestly on the rise. I pay $5.75 for a can of Copenhagen and the reason that I'm only paying that is because U.S. Smokeless dropped the price of their product. Now since they have done this the State wants to raise taxes once again. Oh ya did I mention that I DO NOT smoke pot and that I'm a federal officer. Edited May 28, 2009 by ultratec1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 If everyone would look into the amount of money and resources spent a year on drug interdiction we would start to realize that there is actually money to be made by the government, and if you want my opinion I would rather have them get the money than the local drug dealer down the street who really doesnt care who he sales it to. It would just be going from one crook to another but at least the Government could put in place regulations and laws pertaining to the use and sales. The U.S. government spent a reported 26 BILLION thats $26,000,000,000 on drug interdiction alone. People act like once its legalized the community is going to fall apart and turn into a run down war-zone. Hate to tell everyone this but the people that will do it when its legal are the sameones that are doing it right now while its illegal. Dunno. By that string of logic, I guess we could save even more DEA resources and generate more tax revenues if we legalized coke, crystal meth and a bunch of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 I guess I should have known that there would people that would take it out of context and throw other drugs into the mix. Let me make this very very clear I DON NOT USE ANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES. Just wanted to make that in bold print so that there is no confusion. How many people here that are saying how bad pot is and how it would be the demise of the country and the end all of things that are good have actually researched marijuana?? I'm willing to bet not very dang many. If you want to really look at the big picture the Domestic violence rate is no where near the same as alcohol to pot, nor is the violent crimes. Ever heard of a guy getting stoned and beating his wife to the very inch of her life. I myself am going to have to say no. So please dont throw out the crystal meth and the coke and the herion or the other drugs that you have said because there is no proposal to legalize them. It just cracks me up sometimes when people have been so herded in a direction and that is the way it is. I'm almost willing to bet my whole pay check that everyone on this forum either drinks a alcoholic drink once in awhile or knows someone who does. 80yrs ago you/they would be the criminals. The government realized that NO matter what they did it was going to be a constant thing. Same with marijuana. Its a constant you will NEVER, EVER stop marijuana from entering the United States. Heck a majority of it is grown here. So if its a product that is relatively safe then why not regulate it in a way the government can control a vast majority of the usage and the production, stop the billions of dollars of spending in trying to stop the marijuana battle and use that money to try to stop the other manufactoring of the illegal drugs you mentioned. Since a vast majority of those (besides cocaine) are made and here in the states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 ...How many people here that are saying how bad pot is and how it would be the demise of the country and the end all of things that are good have actually researched marijuana?? I'm willing to bet not very dang many. ...I "researched" it quite a bit in my youth. I never saw anything good come from it's use and fortunately made the decision long ago that it wasn't a good thing. If it were legalized today for recreational use, I'm pretty sure I still wouldn't be interested in furthering my research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 I guess I should have known that there would people that would take it out of context and throw other drugs into the mix. Let me make this very very clear I DON NOT USE ANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES. Just wanted to make that in bold print so that there is no confusion. How many people here that are saying how bad pot is and how it would be the demise of the country and the end all of things that are good have actually researched marijuana?? I'm willing to bet not very dang many. If you want to really look at the big picture the Domestic violence rate is no where near the same as alcohol to pot, nor is the violent crimes. Ever heard of a guy getting stoned and beating his wife to the very inch of her life. I myself am going to have to say no. So please dont throw out the crystal meth and the coke and the herion or the other drugs that you have said because there is no proposal to legalize them. It just cracks me up sometimes when people have been so herded in a direction and that is the way it is. I'm almost willing to bet my whole pay check that everyone on this forum either drinks a alcoholic drink once in awhile or knows someone who does. 80yrs ago you/they would be the criminals. The government realized that NO matter what they did it was going to be a constant thing. Same with marijuana. Its a constant you will NEVER, EVER stop marijuana from entering the United States. Heck a majority of it is grown here. So if its a product that is relatively safe then why not regulate it in a way the government can control a vast majority of the usage and the production, stop the billions of dollars of spending in trying to stop the marijuana battle and use that money to try to stop the other manufactoring of the illegal drugs you mentioned. Since a vast majority of those (besides cocaine) are made and here in the states. Don't recall seeing anyone saying that marijuana is the demise of the country, what people are saying is that legalizing it would be a mistake. Bit of a difference there. Guessing the atf and fda would handle this if it were to become legal, but do they really need that added responsibility, and do we really want to give the government the responsibility of regulating a hallucinogenic drug for "recreational use". Since the other drugs are mentioned, do you also argue that use of milder drugs do not lead to use of those harder drugs that do result in violence? Sure there are a crap load of people who will do it whether it is illegal or not, but do you really believe that there are not some people out there who will say why not try it since it is legal now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Of course there will be, same when alcohol was outlawed. My point is that we are NEVER EVER NEVER going to stop the income of marijuana into the country, EVER. Once again the samething with the alcohol. The government finally realized what a revenue it was and thats what lifted the prohibition. It wasnt because someone decided that alcohol wasnt as bad as they once thought it was, its because they knew that they were wasting MILLIONS of dollars on the attempt to stop it and were only succesful on a small scale. Same as marijuana. We have spent Millions maybe even Billions and what have we accomplished??? Not much more that some 2 bit dealer selling pot that is now laced with PCP or coke. There is where you get the "gateway" for other drugs. Now if the government said o.k. we are now selling pot and will regulate it just like booze then you snuff out 98% of the dealers. However just like booze you have the Outlaws "moonshiners" who still make illegal booze, but how much money do they make doing it??? Slim to none. Not like the runners of the 20's and 30's. Save the money we spend on the marijuana drug war and use it towards other drugs or the immigration problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesse8953 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I guess I should have known that there would people that would take it out of context and throw other drugs into the mix. Let me make this very very clear I DON NOT USE ANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES. Just wanted to make that in bold print so that there is no confusion. How many people here that are saying how bad pot is and how it would be the demise of the country and the end all of things that are good have actually researched marijuana?? I'm willing to bet not very dang many. If you want to really look at the big picture the Domestic violence rate is no where near the same as alcohol to pot, nor is the violent crimes. Ever heard of a guy getting stoned and beating his wife to the very inch of her life. I myself am going to have to say no. So please dont throw out the crystal meth and the coke and the herion or the other drugs that you have said because there is no proposal to legalize them. It just cracks me up sometimes when people have been so herded in a direction and that is the way it is. I'm almost willing to bet my whole pay check that everyone on this forum either drinks a alcoholic drink once in awhile or knows someone who does. 80yrs ago you/they would be the criminals. The government realized that NO matter what they did it was going to be a constant thing. Same with marijuana. Its a constant you will NEVER, EVER stop marijuana from entering the United States. Heck a majority of it is grown here. So if its a product that is relatively safe then why not regulate it in a way the government can control a vast majority of the usage and the production, stop the billions of dollars of spending in trying to stop the marijuana battle and use that money to try to stop the other manufactoring of the illegal drugs you mentioned. Since a vast majority of those (besides cocaine) are made and here in the states. I have seen a lot of mean drunks but never a mean pot head.The government will never be able to control weed. Too many people can grow it and not buy it from the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 ultratec makes a VERY VERY valid point and arguement. I have never used pot and never will, but research shows it is safer than alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Trust me I'm not a pothead. I'm a federal law enforcement officer and I dont think that would really fit in with my job description:D. I'm also not saying that I would use it if by chance it was legal, because I know for a fact I would never use the stuff. I'm just trying to put into perspective the advantages of legalizing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 off topic here, but what kind of fed officer are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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