New Jersey approved Crossbow for Bow season & Sunday Hunting on Pvt lands

[Tink]

NJ Has approved the crossbow for hunting during bow season by anyone with an archery tag and Sunday bowhunting on private lands.

FYI I Live in Texas and never hunted NJ FYI ONLY

XBow must be 75# and be 25 inches long

Texas also legalized the Xbow with no restriction for archery season hunting.

[Tominator]

Take it away Doc!

[Ohiobucks]

take it away doc!

+1

:poke:

[wtnhunt]

LOL. Here we go again huh.

Tennessee changed our regs on crossbows probably 5 years ago, they have been allowed to be used during the archery season since then. Used to be crossbows were allowed during archery only for hunters with physical disabilities, any hunter without physical disabilities could only use them outside of archery season which put crossbow use during the ml and gun seasons. Since the change I am sure a lot of crossbows have been sold, however I have not seen where there has been any significant changes in harvest numbers or in numbers of folks putting down their compounds to swap over to crossbows.

[Doc]

I don't care what N.J. does. They have my complete sympathy with their anti-hunting governor and legislature and their spineless game management people but just like we here in NY, they get exactly what they voted for and have to live with whatever consequences that result. Unfortunately, we have our hands full just keeping things under control in our own state without worrying about how other states are screwing up their stuff. I can only wish them good luck.

Doc

[jesse8953]

It has been legal in ohio for lots of years and deer populations has not went down.Some may say x-bows are not primative enough for bow season but neither is a compound that shoots almost 400fps.If that is the case then only long bows should be allowed. I don't know any x-bow shooters that would shoot over 35 yards but know lots of bow shooters that would take a 45 or 50 yard shot because there bow is quiet and fast enough.That's o.k. with me but kind of close minded imo. Crossbow hunters have to scout,put plots out,get up in the cold mournings and spend long hours in a stand just like the other bow hunters out there.If it keeps my step son out of trouble and away from drugs and thugs then let them have a x-bow to hunt with.I would rather see him in a woods than on the streets.Not everyone can buy a new bow that is $800+.I think the only question asked is can a x-bow make a good ethical kill.I have heard of more deer lost from the bow hunters than x-bow hunters.But I also know more bow hunters.Ted Nugent's t.v. show had statistics in ohio and texas, the deer population increased after x-bows were legalized.

[Tink]

Texas gets crossbows legalized Sept 1 2009 so I don't that the stats are from Texas. During the middle ages the Roman Pope I think Pope Benedict issued a Papal Bull( Church degree with power) that forbade Christians from shooting Christians with crossbows Only Infidels ( Muslims and Arabs were on the approved crossbow list) could be shot with crossbows.. Photo of my Buddy Bobby Chews' son who cannot pull a bow. TINK

Edited June 20, 2009 by Tink

[Flintlock1776]

They just passed Sunday hunting. Private land and WMA's, bow only. I have my own land so I am good to go!

[Tink]

Yes I Know that was the title of this Thread

I thought for sure you would be on top of this sir

Good for you

heck man I live in Texas

Best

TINK

[jesse8953]

Texas gets crossbows legalized Sept 1 2009 so I don't that the stats are from Texas.

Your right Tink it was Arkansas and Ohio he about was talking about.

[Rayzorp]

I don't care what N.J. does. They have my complete sympathy with their anti-hunting governor and legislature and their spineless game management people but just like we here in NY, they get exactly what they voted for and have to live with whatever consequences that result. Unfortunately, we have our hands full just keeping things under control in our own state without worrying about how other states are screwing up their stuff. I can only wish them good luck.

Doc

NJ Bowhunter here Doc, and I agree with you %100.

FYI - Spineless would be a compliment to the game management,,

[swohiodave]

congrats to them. hunters need to stand together and support their brothers.

[The_Kat]

I love the word crossbow :D:D

[RUTNSTRUT]

It has been legal in ohio for lots of years and deer populations has not went down.Some may say x-bows are not primative enough for bow season but neither is a compound that shoots almost 400fps.If that is the case then only long bows should be allowed. I don't know any x-bow shooters that would shoot over 35 yards but know lots of bow shooters that would take a 45 or 50 yard shot because there bow is quiet and fast enough.That's o.k. with me but kind of close minded imo. Crossbow hunters have to scout,put plots out,get up in the cold mournings and spend long hours in a stand just like the other bow hunters out there.If it keeps my step son out of trouble and away from drugs and thugs then let them have a x-bow to hunt with.I would rather see him in a woods than on the streets.Not everyone can buy a new bow that is $800+.I think the only question asked is can a x-bow make a good ethical kill.I have heard of more deer lost from the bow hunters than x-bow hunters.But I also know more bow hunters.Ted Nugent's t.v. show had statistics in ohio and texas, the deer population increased after x-bows were legalized.

If crossguns are not easier to hunt with why is that more than 70% of the "archery" kill in Ohio is with crossguns. If you don't believe me look it up,after all it is your state.

[Adjam5]

Congrats on the new opportunity for New Jersites.

Oh Oh...the word crossgun was used...Luke...take it away:clown:.

[ruttinbuc]

I will keep my comments to myself at this point. Knew it was going to happen. Money talks and the crossgun manufacturers bought the NJ fish game and wildlife. Will see firsthand what the impact will be come September.

[VermontHunter]

Congrats on the new opportunity for New Jersites.

Oh Oh...the word crossgun was used...Luke...take it away:clown:.

Why are you picking on me, :chair: CROSSBOWS have always been legal for the disabled here in VT ..

[VermontHunter]

Just a little insight as to the definition of what a gun is ...

Dictionary: gun

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n.

1. A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
   
2. A cannon with a long barrel and a relatively low angle of fire.
   
3. A portable firearm, such as a rifle or revolver.
   
4. A device resembling a firearm or cannon, as in its ability to project something, such as grease, under pressure or at great speed.
   
5. A discharge of a firearm or cannon as a signal or salute.
   
6. One, such as a hunter, who carries or uses a gun.
   
   1. 
      
   2. A person skilled in the use of a gun.
      
   3. A professional killer: a hired gun.
      

[*]The throttle of an engine, as of an automobile.

v., gunned, gun·ning, guns.

v.tr.

1. To shoot (a person): a bank robber who was gunned down by the police.
   
2. To open the throttle of (an engine) so as to accelerate: gunned the engine and sped off.
   
3. Maine. To hunt (game).
   

v.intr.

To hunt with a gun.

phrasal verb:

gun for

1. To pursue relentlessly so as to overcome or destroy.
   
2. To go after in earnest; set out to obtain: gunning for a promotion.
   

idioms:

go great guns

1. To proceed or perform with great speed, skill, or success.
   

hold a gun to (someone's) head

1. To put pressure on someone.
   

under the gun

1. Under great pressure or under threat.
   

[Middle English gonne, cannon, short for Gunilda, woman's name applied to a siege engine, from Old Norse Gunnhildr, woman's name : gunnr, war + hildr, war.]

And the accepted definition of what a crossbow is ....

Dictionary: cross·bow

krôs'bō', krŏs'-

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n.

A weapon consisting of a bow fixed crosswise on a wooden stock, with grooves on the stock to direct the projectile.

crossbowman

cross'bow'man n.

Crossbows exist in different variants. One way to classify them is the acceleration system, while another is the size and energy, degree of automation or projectiles.

The simplest acceleration system is a straight or bent prod and it is probably the earliest version of a crossbow.

A recurve crossbow is a bow that has tips curving away from the archer. The recurve bow's bent limbs have a longer draw length than an equivalent straight-limbed bow, giving a more acceleration to the projectile and less hand shock. Recurved limbs also put greater strain on the materials used to make the bow, and they may make more noise with the shot.

Multiple bow systems (for example a Chu-ko-nu) have a special system of pulling the sinew via several bows (which can be recurve bows). The workings can be compared to a modern compound bow system. The weapon uses several different bows instead of one bow with a tackle system to achieve a higher acceleration of the sinew via the multiplication with each bow's pulling effect.

A compound crossbow is a modern crossbow and is similar to a compound bow, The limbs are usually much stiffer than those of a recurve crossbow. This limb stiffness makes the compound bow more energy efficient than other bows, but the limbs are too stiff to be drawn comfortably with a string attached directly to them. The compound bow has the string attached to the pulleys, one or both of which has one or more cables attached to the opposite limb. When the string is drawn back, the string causes the pulleys to turn. This causes the pulleys to pull the cables, which in turn causes the limbs to bend and thus store energy. Other types of compound bows use either (one or both) cam shaped or excentrically mounted pulleys in order to provide a "let off", such that the archer is not holding against the maximum draw weight of the bow while trying to aim. But in a crossbow the string is held back mechanically, so there is no advantage in providing a let off. Therefore, compound crossbows generally use only pulleys that are both round and concentrically mounted, in order to capture the maximum available energy from the relatively short draw length.

In size the smallest are pistol crossbows. Others are simple long stocks with the crossbow mounted on them. These could be shot from under the arm. The next step in development was rifle shaped stocks that allowed better aiming. The arbalest was a heavy crossbow which required special systems for pulling the sinew via windlasses. For siege warfare the size of crossbows was further increased to hurl large projectiles such as rocks at fortifications. The required crossbows needed a massive base frame and powerful windlass devices. Such devices include the oxybeles. The ballista has torsion springs replacing the elastic prod of the oxybeles, but later also developed into smaller versions.[3] "Ballista" is still the root word for crossbow in Romance languages such as Italian (balestra).

The repeating crossbow automated the separate actions of stringing the bow, placing the projectile and shooting. This way the task can be accomplished with a simple one-handed movement, while keeping the weapon stationary. As a result, it is possible to shoot at a faster rate compared to unmodified version. The Chinese repeating crossbow, Chu Ko Nu, is a small handheld crossbow that accomplishes the task with a magazine containing a number of bolts on top. The mechanism is worked by moving a rectangular lever forward and backward.

A bullet crossbow is a type of handheld crossbow which rather than arrows or bolts shoots spherical projectiles made of stone, clay or lead. There are two variants, one has a double string with a pocket for the projectile; the other has a barrel with a slot for the string.

Projectiles

The arrow-like projectiles of a crossbow are called bolts. These are much shorter than arrows, but can be several times heavier. There is an optimum weight for bolts to achieve maximum kinetic energy, which varies depending on the strength and characteristics of the crossbow. In ancient times the bolts of a strong crossbow were usually several times heavier than arrows. Modern bolts are stamped with a proof mark to ensure their consistent weight. Bolts typically have three fletches, commonly seen on arrows. Crossbow bolts can be fitted with a variety of heads, some with sickle-shaped heads to cut rope or rigging; but the most common today is a four-sided point called a quarrel. A highly specialized type of bolt can be employed to collect blubber biopsy samples used in biology research.

Crossbows can also be adapted to shoot lead bullets or stones, in which case they are called stone-bows. Primarily used for hunting wildfowl, these usually have a double string with a pouch between the strings to hold the projectile.

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[JimT]

I do not understand why people cry about crossbows. If you do not like it do not hunt with one. It is so simple. Who cares if someone else chooses to. The stats in states that allow crossbows speak for themselves. No real increase in deer killed. I do not think people should hunt deer with a .223. Maybe we should ban a sub par deer rifle instead of a tool that is more that is more up to the task at hand then a recurve and some compound bows. Seems like people think it is alot harder to get a deer with a compound then a crossbow. That may have been true at one time, but not really now. I see guys on tv taking 50 yard shots all the time with compounds. Compounds have become so much better in the last ten years. The way I see it you still have to get very close undetected with either. Thats the fun part of bow hunting. I do not own a crossbow, but probably will some day. Can someone post up a pic of a crossgun? Never seen one. Must be something new.

Edited June 25, 2009 by JimT

[Adjam5]

I'm staying out of the shoulder fired, scoped, pre cocked weapon argument.

[Jorden]

I do not understand why people cry about crossbows. If you do not like it do not hunt with one. It is so simple. Who cares if someone else chooses to. The stats in states that allow crossbows speak for themselves. No real increase in deer killed. I do not think people should hunt deer with a .223. Maybe we should ban a sub par deer rifle instead of a tool that is more that is more up to the task at hand then a recurve and some compound bows. Seems like people think it is alot harder to get a deer with a compound then a crossbow. That may have been true at one time, but not really now. I see guys on tv taking 50 yard shots all the time with compounds. Compounds have become so much better in the last ten years. The way I see it you still have to get very close undetected with either. Thats the fun part of bow hunting. I do not own a crossbow, but probably will some day. Can someone post up a pic of a crossgun? Never seen one. Must be something new.

Very well said, if you dont want to hunt with it the dont, who cares what others want to hunt with. Sounds kind of selfish to me. People had the same complaints about compounds when they first became popular but now that is what a majority of people use.

[VermontHunter]

I'm staying out of the shoulder fired, scoped, pre cocked weapon argument.

That makes two of us my friend ..

[swohiodave]

why the hate on other hunters.... as long as your an ethical hunter i don't care what LEGAL means a person hunts with. I support all ethical hunters. In ohio we cannot use rifles, only shotguns, but you don't see me bashing people that choose to legally hunt with their rifles.....save the hard feelings for the anti's

[ruttinbuc]

Has nothing to do with hate, Dave.

[swohiodave]

Doesn't realtree have their logo on a horton crossbow? I think so! This is the same thing my grandpa used to say about compounds when he shot a recurve. Im sticking to my bear kodiak!