WOW Panty waste

[DocMort]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31492098/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

This is BS, we might as well give up now.

[Orion_70]

WT?!@$@&?... So now they have orders to retreat if possible when engaged... are they serious:argue:

[DocMort]

Hey I am a soldier getting ready to deploy again and now they tell us this.

[oldksnarc]

I understand the need to avoid civilian casualties whenever possible. But, war is H*** and innocents do die.

Now, McChrystal has tied the hands of the military by placing such restrictions on them that, once the militants know this, the militants will insure they have civilians in close proximity to them whenever they launch attacks or ambush the troops.

I don't anything about McChrystal's training or experience but this sounds like he has more desk time than field time. Or, he's bowing to administration pressures and dictates. If that's the case he's a puppet and not an Oath Keeper.

[nativetexan]

McChrystal's background is in clandestine ops. I don't see it as retreat, I see it as smart warfare. Yes people do die, but it is also the military's goal to minimize civilian casualties. With media reporting the way it is, commanders are forced to fight two battles. One with the enemy, and the other with public opinion of the nation being occupied. I am quite sure that when the order was given to minimize civilian casualties through retreat if nescessary, that this public view was taken into consideration.

The enemy is already using civilians as cover, nothing has changed in that fact. Urban warfare is much different than just kicking in doors and opening fire. So much to think about before pulling the trigger. He didn't say NOT to fire if fired upon, he said that if civilian's were in the immediate line of fire, to "fall back" and regroup..in a nutshell. To me, that is just a little smarter. We aren't throwing in the towel, we are simply changing the way business is done in order to keep the media from portraying us as "baby killers." At least that is my take on the whole thing.

[oldksnarc]

Good points. And I understand what you're saying. My first impression was shades of Viet Nam where our hands were tied. I just hope this doesn't lead to Afghan trials or the court-martials of our troops if innocents are killed while the troops are defending themselves while falling back to regroup.

[johnf]

Jimmy Carter sure would be proud.

[buckee]

This is, after all, the most unconventional war ever fought in the history of the world.

The enemy doesn't wear a uniform

The enemy isn't a nation or country, but a group of people from different countries with the same psychopathic ideals and beliefs.

The enemy are cowards, who hide behind women and children, instead of putting on a uniform and fighting for their beliefs like men.

Taking all of that into consideration, protecting the innocent is a priority in this strange war, whether we like it or not. Just one mans opinion..eh. Don't shoot me, I'm not a terrorist and I ain't a Liberal.

Edited June 24, 2009 by buckee

[stevebeilgard]

This is, after all, the most unconventional war ever fought in the history of the world.

The enemy doesn't wear a uniform

The enemy isn't a nation or country, but a group of people from different countries with the same psychopathic ideals and beliefs.

The enemy are cowards, who hide behind women and children, instead of putting on a uniform and fighting for their beliefs like men.

Taking all of that into consideration, protecting the innocent is a priority in this strange war, whether we like it or not. Just one mans opinion..eh. Don't shoot me, I'm not a terrorist and I ain't a Liberal.

we're not at war with a country. we're at war with a religion. it's muslims from all over the world attacking folks who are not muslim. they want to kill all the infidels.