RTF Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Boy are we in for some bad times folks. If this health care bill goes through we are doomed. Don't expect to live as old as Grandpa did, because it wont happen. The Obama nation wants to control our lives and if this bill is passed, it will only set America on the path to becoming more like Europe. It's so funny that US lawmakers keep telling us how much better countries like Britain, Canada have it. But here's the one thing no one has the balls to tell you. America's health care is so much better than Europe's will ever be. Right now Americans have a better survival rate for 13 of the 16 most common cancers than Europe. Take prostate cancer for example: 91.9 percent of men live through it in the USA, versus 73.7 percent who live through it in France and just 51.1 percent live through it in Britain. Why is that ? Because the USA health care is not controlled by the gov as it is in the other countries. Oh ya did I mention that this health care plan bill is a model of Europe's ? Right now Britain's National Health Service cancels about 100,000 operations every year do to government control. When you're counting on a procedure that means life or death, you don't want to have some bureaucratic dirt bag who's only counting dollars and cents and could give a crap about your health. And you certainly don't want to be standing in a long line, like the one million Brits currently waiting to be admitted to a hospital and another 200,000 just hoping to get on a waiting list. Just ask our forum friends who reside in Canada just how well their national health care plan has been going. If your a dog or cat in Canada you can probably get a CAT scan within 24 hours of an emergency situation. If you are human it will take about 3 months and that is if it is life threatening and you survive your condition. Right now in the USA if you are brought into the ER and need to get a CAT scan, it is done within hours. With the new national health care plan proposed, you can kiss that procedure away. Why in gods name does Obama want to model our great nation after Europe ? The place that when it gets a little hotter than usual like it did in August of 2003 and they had 37,000 people die because they felt that it was necessary to to cut back on the air conditioning to save the planet. Are you freakin kidding me ! Statistics show it's even worse in Canada, where 800,000 of their 33 million citizens are on waiting lists for more than 18 weeks . That's like having every single person in Los Angeles, Chicago and Seattle over 7 million Americans who would be on waiting lists when and if this new plan gets approved. Obama, time after time claims that Canada's and Europe's health care is the way to go for all Americans. I then ask this. Why did Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi have his 2006 heart surgery at America's Cleveland Clinic, instead of staying at home? After all they have the same national health care plan as Europe. Why are tens of thousands of Canadian patients crossing the border into the US every year to seek medical treatment :hammer1: We all hunt here at Realtree and from time to time some us get bit by a tick. what do we do ? We go to the ER or doctors to get it taken care of. Try doing this if and when the new health care bill gets passed. trust me, you will not be able to walk into any ER within the US for a god foresaken tick bite. security will probably have you out on your butt faster then you can say, but....but...but. The Province of British Columbia just announced 30% cuts in elective surgeries due to its current financial shortfalls. The current BC Health Minister has stated that they will need to pursue some form of “private” health care to be able to meet the demands and costs of healthcare in the future. Obama is not concerned about Universal Healthcare , he only cares about control and our eventual apathy , this is how he won the election with all that change and hope crap speeches and that is how he will eventually destroy America. It is a frightening thought that Obama and his government could decide who lives and dies if this bill is passed. Wake up people ! This not the American way! Our forefathers left Europe, packed up everything they owned, left families behind so they could come here to America and be free. They didn't come here, risk everything, work their butts off, only to have our communist politicians implement the very government programs they were running from. Ive said enough and I'm pissed. If this post got your attention and want to read more info on this topic, then visit http://www.facesofgovernmenthealthcare.com/ and then http://cprights.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Good post Cliff. No question in my mind the liberal government has and will continue to take away more from us in the way of rights if we let them. This just another example. Obama's health care plan just will not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Not to mention it will ultimately result in lower wages, higher taxes, and in some cases, lost jobs. What a mess!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Good post indeed. Sounds like a recipe for disaster......I am very annoyed with obama as it is, this just fuels the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 and in some cases, lost jobs. What a mess!!! IN MOST CASES!!!!! You will see massive layoffs with an already shaky employment rate. I have called my senators and raised holy **** over this issue. It will kill this country. Americans and even Obama supporters are waking up to this monster they elected. I just hope it isn't too late to stop this creep from turning this country into a bureaucracy.....:hammer1: Cliff you aren't the only one whose pissed.....its total BS whats happening in this country. We need to figure out a way to stop it.....our representatives aren't listening. I seriously keep waiting for a militia to start being formed and another civil war to get talked over. I mean is it not obvious when state governments are turning the feds down on their offers????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted July 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I seriously keep waiting for a militia to start being formed and another civil war to get talked over. Two words for ya. Bubba Effect :gun2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted July 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Well it looks like this bill aint doin so good in the Senate. I am glad I am not the only guy ticked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I got news for you, if this passes I'm a dead man! I'm never going to be able to get the heart or pacemaker surgeries when I need them under this new legislation if it gets passed. Obama is going to kill us all with his lunacy! It is effectively a death sentence to people like me! Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I got news for you, if this passes I'm a dead man! I'm never going to be able to get the heart or pacemaker surgeries when I need them under this new legislation if it gets passed. Obama is going to kill us all with his lunacy! It is effectively a death sentence to people like me! Dakota It seems pretty clear to me that the liberals just plain don't care Dakota. They want to cram through whatever they can while they can at the expense of the taxpayers of this country whether we like it or not. You know, they know what is best for us all. Not sure how any of these legislators can think their constituents would support this program when those very same legislators are not going to have the same plan. It is hypocritical, no doubt the president himself will also not be on this plan, how about leading by example Mr. Obama, if this plan for health care you wish to impose on us is so great then you should opt to be on this plan and get rid of the presidential private medical staff. Enough of the American people(voters) were sold on something that was never clearly explained to get him elected, wonder if some of those people are starting to wake up yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 You want to know how good his National Health Care Plan will be? Go visit a VA Hospital. Look at what reports have been written up by the government as to how dysfunctional the VA is. The same management that screw up health care for America's heroes now wants to provide 'benefits' to all? Socialist crud. You want the government to control your life? Move to North Korea. Wal Mart loves his plan. They will reduce their expenses to their under-paid never F/T 'associates' and let them fend for themselves with Federal health 'care'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 My best friends wife is a doctor and even she dislikes the bill. I've been told she won't vote for him next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 I seriously keep waiting for a militia to start being formed and another civil war to get talked over. Due to the race/religion (black/jew) spewings of most existing militias, I'm not there yet. I'm not a radical or extremist, but the government can make me one. Here's a link to a grass roots organization that is aggressively opposed to the socialist direction this country is headed and which opposes all the socialist programs being shoved down our throats and sponsors the anti-tax tea parties and conservative ideas, including anti-gun control. http://www.resistnet.com/ You can join the national organization/effort and your state organization and efforts. Give it a look and consideration. It's free and you can see what other people and states are doing to raise the alarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Are you really going the the ER for a tickbite? I assume then you must have some type of pretty good health insurance that pays for that....may I suggest that you buy a pair of tweezers and find the phone number for you family practitioner. It is called an emergency room for a reason!! This is one of the reasons that HC costs are out of control in this country...everyone want it right now...with no regards to the price or the needs. There has to be a funnel in order put some types on protocals on quality of care and match up care with severity on the condition. Why is it that it costs thousands of $ers more to treat people in Metro areas then it does in rural areas (with no difference in outomes)? Could it possibly be that where there are more doctors...there will be more medicine? Do you guys think there is a problem with HC in America? What is the solution? I don't know so I would like to hear some suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Are you really going the the ER for a tickbite? I assume then you must have some type of pretty good health insurance that pays for that....may I suggest that you buy a pair of tweezers and find the phone number for you family practitioner. It is called an emergency room for a reason!! This is one of the reasons that HC costs are out of control in this country...everyone want it right now...with no regards to the price or the needs. There has to be a funnel in order put some types on protocals on quality of care and match up care with severity on the condition. Why is it that it costs thousands of $ers more to treat people in Metro areas then it does in rural areas (with no difference in outomes)? Could it possibly be that where there are more doctors...there will be more medicine? Do you guys think there is a problem with HC in America? What is the solution? I don't know so I would like to hear some suggestions. When people are paying such high rates for their insurance premiums, why should patients not expect to be able to get in right away Ace. If I remember correctly premiums started getting out of control back when Clinton was in office and Hillary was attempting to push for the same type of health care reform. Oh, and answer this one simple question Ace, if this plan is so good for the American people why won't the legislators who are peddling it take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 I got news for you, if this passes I'm a dead man! I'm never going to be able to get the heart or pacemaker surgeries when I need them under this new legislation if it gets passed. Obama is going to kill us all with his lunacy! It is effectively a death sentence to people like me! Dakota Just remember, this plan isn't about doing what's best for the patient, it's about getting the government in control of your healthcare decisions. As is always the case with liberals, they think they know what's best for a person. They think that the majority of people both want and need the government making as many decisions for them as possible. If those people in Washington really believe this new plan is so great, then let's see every member of Congress, the president, vice-president, the White House staff, and all of their families agree to drop their current coverage and go on it. When that happens, then I'll be willing to support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Are you really going the the ER for a tickbite? I assume then you must have some type of pretty good health insurance that pays for that....may I suggest that you buy a pair of tweezers and find the phone number for you family practitioner. It is called an emergency room for a reason!! This is one of the reasons that HC costs are out of control in this country...everyone want it right now...with no regards to the price or the needs. There has to be a funnel in order put some types on protocals on quality of care and match up care with severity on the condition. Why is it that it costs thousands of $ers more to treat people in Metro areas then it does in rural areas (with no difference in outomes)? Could it possibly be that where there are more doctors...there will be more medicine? Do you guys think there is a problem with HC in America? What is the solution? I don't know so I would like to hear some suggestions. Spoken like a true liberal/obama supporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 In lieu of posting here which may not get through go to here: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm and here: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml and even here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ And send a free email with your comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted July 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Spoken like a true liberal/obama supporter. Amen brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 i think americans are catching on to obama and his lies. healthcare will not be voted on this week, and state senators nationwide will be getting an earfull pretty soon, starting next week with all the planned town hall meetings. obama now is down to 47% approval, 3 points lower than bush at the same time in office. polls also put folks wanting his health plan at 18%. for you liberals, that means 82% are against it. here's to the lame duck president! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgitall Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 We certainly have plenty of problems. Ending capitalism is not the answer. When we are ready to sacrifice our liberty for security, we deserve neither. (One of forefathers said that). Government is certainly necessary. When you look at our constitution, it was specifically designed to protect the citizens from tyranny. I saw now where Dan Rather is publicly suggesting that Obama do something about the media(Fox). It is becoming blatently clear that the Americans are becoming more informed and they don't like what they smell! Cash for Clunkers! I'm a financial advisor and I have specifically seen people that should not be taking on a new car payment buy a car just because its a greatdeal. They drove an older car because that is what they could afford. Now many will be stretched to thin...but they have a new car. I do not have all the answers by any means, but is obvious to me neither does Washington. I just wish we could start with common sense. The printing press will run out one day. I am afraid double digit inflation is on its way along with rising interest rates. My Daddy always told me "If your in a hole, the first thing you should fo is STOP DIGGIN'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Are you really going the the ER for a tickbite? I assume then you must have some type of pretty good health insurance that pays for that....may I suggest that you buy a pair of tweezers and find the phone number for you family practitioner. It is called an emergency room for a reason!! This is one of the reasons that HC costs are out of control in this country...everyone want it right now...with no regards to the price or the needs. There has to be a funnel in order put some types on protocals on quality of care and match up care with severity on the condition. Why is it that it costs thousands of $ers more to treat people in Metro areas then it does in rural areas (with no difference in outomes)? Could it possibly be that where there are more doctors...there will be more medicine? Do you guys think there is a problem with HC in America? What is the solution? I don't know so I would like to hear some suggestions. There is no provision in our Constitution that says anything about healthcare and it being a right. All I know about the new plan is that our legislators don't want what we'll have. It's like the protocol they already laid out for the H1N1 flu vaccine. Government first, then the young, then older people as the supply allows. The at risk with medical conditions didn't seem to be mentioned at all. If it's anything like Canada's plan I don't want it because I was there in 1988 playing war games and got hurt. It wasn't all that bad but I was required to get medical treatment. I was taken to the nearest hospital and because I was a soldier I was taken first, and there were some desperately ill people there that had to wait. It was a weird situation. The problem with these recees meetings is that they aren't listening. We don't want to discuss government healthcare and debate it. We just don't want it at all. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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