Texan_Til_I_Die Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think I'll start my own video series called MONSTER DOES. Look for MONSTER DOES I at a store near you! (Hey, it looks like I can sell at least 1 copy) BTW - If you ever meet Mr Blanton, you'll probably change your opinion of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 not to beat a dead horse...but David's a great guy, hunter, man of God. If I paid to go on a hunt, or better yet, if I was just out on a hunt on my land, looking for horns and all I saw was does, it would be dissapointing. I still appreciate every minute I get to spend in the woods regardless, but I understand what David is talking about. Like some others have said, make a point to find out when he's in your area, go hear him speak, try to catch a few minutes with him, and you'll realize why everyone is defending him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois59 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 If Bounty papertowels would pay me to hunt for a living all over the world...I'd tell you they were the best towels you could ever buy. I'd also let you know how well they worked in helping me kill the deer I'm sitting with!!!!!! Good lord, you just had to get that Bounty plug in there didn't you!? LOL. They're great for tracking, cleaning up blood and cleaning your equipment. :hammer1: I had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with David Blanton this year in his office and as Im sure most of you already know he is a class act. When your sitting in prime big buck territory it IS disappointing to only see does and it IS disappointing to take less than you came for. Oh, and by the way, welcome to the forums!:crutch: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I think I'll start my own video series called MONSTER DOES. Look for MONSTER DOES I at a store near you! (Hey, it looks like I can sell at least 1 copy) BTW - If you ever meet Mr Blanton, you'll probably change your opinion of him. I'll be the first buyer!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I think I'll start my own video series called MONSTER DOES. Look for MONSTER DOES I at a store near you! (Hey, it looks like I can sell at least 1 copy) BTW - If you ever meet Mr Blanton, you'll probably change your opinion of him. Make sure in the video you do NOT thank anybody that helped you make it or sponsor it. It would be ashame to give people who help you get to where you are any credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Make sure in the video you do NOT thank anybody that helped you make it or sponsor it. It would be ashame to give people who help you get to where you are any credit. Exactly!! You don't want to come down to earth like other hunters, I mean that is just degradeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I am not trying to start a war on here but i gotta say that most of the hunting shows have turned into...dare I say it...Freak Shows. 90% of the shows are not realistic in my opinion, they hunt in dream locations and push products that do not work (for the most part) in normal hunting situations. Seems that hunting shows are more of a less controlled infomercial. The big hunting personalities have turned into low key Billy mays of the hunting world of products. Just love to hear it when someone shoots a ten point on a ranch that has a 160" minium, Well i could not have gotten this buck without my scentlock underwear, underarmour shirt, woolrich socks, danner boots, scent killer, cough sliencer, lone wolf treestand, leupold ARC rangefinder, mathews, easton, ford, toxonics, trophy taker, muzzy doinker, sim vib. lab, scott archery, glens deer handle, buck knives, little debby, foldgers coffee, mc donalds, sheetz gas station, middle valley ford, lincoln, mercury, blah, blah, blah by freggin blah. Does it not bother you guys to watch people like David Blanton and many of the rest of them sell out to hunting product companies?? I know the companies are what keep them going but come on, it gets a little redundant. I will prolly get a lifetime ban after that rant, but do realize that i still love to watch hunting shows, love the tv personalities, and all that. I just wish it were more realistic. if you remembered all those products, their strategy is working on you. Their whole goal is to get that product name in your head and maybe the next time you are out shopping, and you see that product, you will remember seeing it on tv and end up buying it. Trust me. I work in a sporting goods store. They show you the product on tv, show you how it works, then the packaging of the product sells it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUTSIDER Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Actually, a little book called Cabelas Fall Preview 2009 is lying beside my desk...got most of my ideas from it. And no, i put little trust on products that i see on TV. I tend to stick with being as simple as i can be when it comes to hunting. I would not buy a bow just because I saw it on TV, would shoot many first, and pick the one that fits me best. I work for an engineering company, and if we listened to every product slinging "Pitch Man' who tries to sell us something, we would be out of business long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Im all for thanking the people that helped you on the hunt. Such as the outfitter, the camera-person, things like that. But the hunt was not successful because of the Lumenok on the arrow, or the Bad Boy Buggie that they drove around, or because of the brand of target they practice on....it was because they paid somebody to hunt in a prime area managed for big deer.....and for no other reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Im all for thanking the people that helped you on the hunt. Such as the outfitter, the camera-person, things like that. But the hunt was not successful because of the Lumenok on the arrow, or the Bad Boy Buggie that they drove around, or because of the brand of target they practice on....it was because they paid somebody to hunt in a prime area managed for big deer.....and for no other reason. So that lumenok DIDN'T make it so you could see your entry hole making you realize you made a horrible shot on a deer and now you are walking through the woods at 10pm bumping your wounded deer that has you traveling more than a mile chasing it. Then you give up for the night saying you will "give it time" (like they say on TV) and come back in the morning. Now once its morning you find half a rack and a leg because the coyotes got to it first. Instead of riding in that bad boy buggy you drove your big bad diesel in scaring all the deer as now you have sat the whole afternoon and only seen does, how dissappointing. And thank goodness you didnt practice on any target because now you have just slung your 5th arrow and are all out. There is now a giant buck under you but we were filming for monster Does, but your shot placement sucks because you didnt practice at a target. Actaully the ONLY reason anybody is successful for hunting and killing any game is strictly LUCK. No one forced any deer to walk out in front of them. Your arguement for commercial and pushing products is the dumbest thing I have seen. What do you think TV is all about and how do you think we have the opportunity to watch shows or even be on this website? Do you honestly think someone is pulling this money out of their pocket and handing it over saying," hey, I have a ton of money use this to run the TV shows and website, we dont need sponsors or any help in financing anything for us." You have to give time for products that are paying your salary, funding your career, and in some cases actually working in the field to help you better succeed on a hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Actually, a little book called Cabelas Fall Preview 2009 is lying beside my desk...got most of my ideas from it. And no, i put little trust on products that i see on TV. I tend to stick with being as simple as i can be when it comes to hunting. I would not buy a bow just because I saw it on TV, would shoot many first, and pick the one that fits me best. I work for an engineering company, and if we listened to every product slinging "Pitch Man' who tries to sell us something, we would be out of business long ago. Because I would never want to see how any product I was buying was used in the field before I bought it. Just because I saw a picture of it and read 4 very well written sentences about it out of a magazine has made me determine this is the product for me. If you want to be simple, sit on the ground with no blind with a string, (onle because you saw a knife on tv and it didnt work the way you wanted it to) and strangle the deer when it walks by. But being simple means no need to buy camo that cost money and you saw it on tv, so I guess you could wear those plan blue jeans and a white cotton shirt. That seems pretty simple. Or maybe if you tried one of their products you would be a head in the field because one of those "pitch men" actually had something that would better your line of work. If my company had not have bought AutoCAD 2010 and I was still using AutoCAD 14 (assuming you know what these are since you work at an engineering company) then my job and company would be so far behind we would be shutting the doors. And yes, they had someone come in and sell the product. Edited July 22, 2009 by 92xj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Im all for thanking the people that helped you on the hunt. Such as the outfitter, the camera-person, things like that. But the hunt was not successful because of the Lumenok on the arrow, or the Bad Boy Buggie that they drove around, or because of the brand of target they practice on....it was because they paid somebody to hunt in a prime area managed for big deer.....and for no other reason. All a matter of perspective and opinion, I can relate to what you are saying and agree some tv hunting personalities are way too commercial but I do not think that David Blanton is one of those who comes across that way, at least not to me. Having met David, I think he is one super genuine person, I only wish we would have had more time to talk with him. Products that in some opinions likely make no potential difference in the outcome are brought up here, you hear plugs for the cough silencer from several, how did it help you get a deer when you were not even sick, what is too far??? Personally I would have a hard time with advertising something I did not use, but that is just me. When I first got into hunting, buckmasters was on pretty well every weekend and it was all about hunting, not so much in the way of ads other than for the outfitters and the occasional tinks69 commercials, last time I watched seemed like it was nothing but plugs for this that and everything under the sun, way too commercialized for me. Really got to where Jackie Bushman's personality was somewhat annoying and a bit of a turn off to me, I rarely watch his shows anymore, that is my choice. Still think he is probably an ok guy, just not for me, good thing we have so many different shows nowadays to be able to have a variety. Maybe the bad boy buggie might not have been a major factor in getting in some spots, maybe it was, can you really determine that it played no factor in another hunters hunts from your sofa. From what I hear they are pretty darned quiet, getting close enough to walking distance undetected might be advantageous to a hunter. As mentioned above a lumenok might also be advantageous especially if played back on video to see the hit. Guess the bottom line is that you don't have to watch if you don't like, if the high pressure from these hunters is too much, maybe you should opt for watching something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkV Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Wow all of this and the original poster never even returned LOL :clown::clown::clown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 So that lumenok DIDN'T make it so you could see your entry hole making you realize you made a horrible shot on a deer and now you are walking through the woods at 10pm bumping your wounded deer that has you traveling more than a mile chasing it. Then you give up for the night saying you will "give it time" (like they say on TV) and come back in the morning. Now once its morning you find half a rack and a leg because the coyotes got to it first. Instead of riding in that bad boy buggy you drove your big bad diesel in scaring all the deer as now you have sat the whole afternoon and only seen does, how dissappointing. And thank goodness you didnt practice on any target because now you have just slung your 5th arrow and are all out. There is now a giant buck under you but we were filming for monster Does, but your shot placement sucks because you didnt practice at a target. Actaully the ONLY reason anybody is successful for hunting and killing any game is strictly LUCK. No one forced any deer to walk out in front of them. Your arguement for commercial and pushing products is the dumbest thing I have seen. What do you think TV is all about and how do you think we have the opportunity to watch shows or even be on this website? Do you honestly think someone is pulling this money out of their pocket and handing it over saying," hey, I have a ton of money use this to run the TV shows and website, we dont need sponsors or any help in financing anything for us." You have to give time for products that are paying your salary, funding your career, and in some cases actually working in the field to help you better succeed on a hunt. Because I would never want to see how any product I was buying was used in the field before I bought it. Just because I saw a picture of it and read 4 very well written sentences about it out of a magazine has made me determine this is the product for me. If you want to be simple, sit on the ground with no blind with a string, (onle because you saw a knife on tv and it didnt work the way you wanted it to) and strangle the deer when it walks by. But being simple means no need to buy camo that cost money and you saw it on tv, so I guess you could wear those plan blue jeans and a white cotton shirt. That seems pretty simple. Or maybe if you tried one of their products you would be a head in the field because one of those "pitch men" actually had something that would better your line of work. If my company had not have bought AutoCAD 2010 and I was still using AutoCAD 14 (assuming you know what these are since you work at an engineering company) then my job and company would be so far behind we would be shutting the doors. And yes, they had someone come in and sell the product. Ok, first off, Im not trying to bash David or any other tv hunter, Im sure they are great folks, just doing what they are paid to do. Shoot deer and pitch sponsors products. And of course you need to practice your shooting. But I put enough venison in my freezer without Lumenoks, camo golf carts etc....no I dont kill 10 p&Y bucks per year, but I dont hunt on deer ranches either. A full freezer is worth more to me than decorations on the wall. And you said it yourself, they need sponsors.....so seeing a product in action on a show that they sponsor isnt really proving anything.......I highly doubt David (just as example) is gonna use a product that sponsored his hunt and say that its a piece of crap, even if it is. You can buy ANY and ALL deer hunting gadgets and gizmos, the way a property is managed is why big deer are taken. Again, I understand the game, Im just explaining why I dont watch it. And as far as us having the opportunity to be on this website...have you looked at the home page?? This is another way of promoting products, not something they created just for kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUTSIDER Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 This guy...camoman1 almost took the words out of my mouth. So that being said, yall have a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Ok, first off, Im not trying to bash David or any other tv hunter, Im sure they are great folks, just doing what they are paid to do. Shoot deer and pitch sponsors products. And of course you need to practice your shooting. But I put enough venison in my freezer without Lumenoks, camo golf carts etc....(1)no I dont kill 10 p&Y bucks per year, but I dont hunt on deer ranches either. A full freezer is worth more to me than decorations on the wall. And you said it yourself, they need sponsors.....so seeing a product in action on a show that they sponsor isnt really proving anything.......(2)I highly doubt David (just as example) is gonna use a product that sponsored his hunt and say that its a piece of crap, even if it is. You can buy ANY and ALL deer hunting gadgets and gizmos, the way a property is managed is why big deer are taken. Again, I understand the game, Im just explaining why I dont watch it. ( 3)And as far as us having the opportunity to be on this website...have you looked at the home page?? This is another way of promoting products, not something they created just for kicks. 1-Your definition of "Deer Ranch" must be way different than mine. I have never seen in the MB videos them hunt on a NON-FAIR game "ranch" only on 100 % wildchase land but yet they still kill P&Y. 2- David's name is big enough that he is picking what products from sponsors he wants to use not what they want him to use. 3- My point exactly. You were the one saying that you did not watch these shows because of all te product pushing and advertising, correct? Or did I miss something. I was just trying to make you aware that this website was sponsor based as well as the shows you dont watch. Now I could be totally wrong, I dont own this site or know what finances it but I bet I am on the right track with all the sponsors. :yawn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybear Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Like any sport, huntings a game of endorsements and props. If it works for you back it and if it fails..., blame it within it's own fault. Period. Some of the most accomplished hunters out there are willing to share this advise if you know where to find them to ask. I'll bet David's no different than you or I. Sure would love to let the air out of a mature buck every chance I get, but ultimately we pull our own triggers making our own decissions to what's a shooter and what is not. If dissapointment or unachieved expectations are what's bothering you, ya better start looking a little closer at the way you hunt. Do your homework,take a look in the mirror and ask yourself.... who am I as a hunter? The answer should come easy. If this is where Davids at.... I say more power to him! Edited July 22, 2009 by woolybear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) have you looked at the home page?? This is another way of promoting products, not something they created just for kicks. So this forum wasn't created for kicks and good laughs?? There is a lot of ppl that goes hunting on public land that kills big bucks every year and I am sure some probably goes to these big "so called Ranches" and still produces big bucks every single time, yet they are not different from you and I. People are going to try and sell products until the end of time, get used to it. I for one do not look at this website as selling products. I look at it for good information on hunting for those big bucks. I also look at this place to look at blogs from David Blanton and T-Bone. I also love this website for creating this forum, cause I wouldn't be able to have met 92xj and talk on the phone to Norm Saucerman. If you feel like this website is just to sell things and thats it, well I feel bad for you. Edited July 22, 2009 by Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Maybe the bad boy buggie might not have been a major factor in getting in some spots, maybe it was, can you really determine that it played no factor in another hunters hunts from your sofa. From what I hear they are pretty darned quiet, getting close enough to walking distance undetected might be advantageous to a hunter. Great mobility for disable hunters to be able to get in one and be at their spot in no time, doing it silently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 1-Your definition of "Deer Ranch" must be way different than mine. I have never seen in the MB videos them hunt on a NON-FAIR game "ranch" only on 100 % wildchase land but yet they still kill P&Y. 2- David's name is big enough that he is picking what products from sponsors he wants to use not what they want him to use. 3- My point exactly. You were the one saying that you did not watch these shows because of all te product pushing and advertising, correct? Or did I miss something. I was just trying to make you aware that this website was sponsor based as well as the shows you dont watch. Now I could be totally wrong, I dont own this site or know what finances it but I bet I am on the right track with all the sponsors. :yawn: So this forum wasn't created for kicks and good laughs?? 1-I'm not accusing them of hunting on fenced properties...the names of some of the places they hunt have 'ranch' in the title.....basically what Im saying is that they are hunting places where I would bet alot if not all of the scouting, stand placement, land management etc was done by someone else...like an outfitter or a place that rents out treestands in good spots for a fee. Which is fine....hence in my first post on this subject I stated that David had the right to be dissapointed. If I paid someone to shoot a big buck, Id want to do so. 2- You are probably right...again Im not picking on David, Im saying the 'pro-hunting' industry in general. 3-I dont have to listen to somebody selling me something when I log on here. Tell me that the ad that covers part of a post your trying to read doesnt bother you:). I do know this is sponsor based, but I like to converse with you folks even we dont see eye to eye on everything:). And yes Casey this is made for fun...and to draw people to log on here repeatedly and look at the ads LOL:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 :hammer1: :yawn:............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 1-I'm not accusing them of hunting on fenced properties...the names of some of the places they hunt have 'ranch' in the title.....basically what Im saying is that they are hunting places where I would bet alot if not all of the scouting, stand placement, land management etc was done by someone else...like an outfitter or a place that rents out treestands in good spots for a fee. Which is fine....hence in my first post on this subject I stated that David had the right to be dissapointed. If I paid someone to shoot a big buck, Id want to do so. 2- You are probably right...again Im not picking on David, Im saying the 'pro-hunting' industry in general. 3-I dont have to listen to somebody selling me something when I log on here. Tell me that the ad that covers part of a post your trying to read doesnt bother you:). I do know this is sponsor based, but I like to converse with you folks even we dont see eye to eye on everything:). And yes Casey this is made for fun...and to draw people to log on here repeatedly and look at the ads LOL:D My last post on this matter, this orginal poster didn't introduce himself at all, decided to go after one of our own, then stop posting after that. My opinion he went on here to stir crap up and he succeeded. Fighting amongest ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 :hammer1: :yawn:............. Yo Dawg, stop yawning, I cut a lot of wood and still tired, seeing your smiley is making me yawn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Well this was fun. Camoman, had a blast, hope there are no hard feelings. See you back in chat homefully, until then....:drink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Well this was fun. Camoman, had a blast, hope there are no hard feelings. See you back in chat homefully, until then....:drink: LOL...of course not buddy.:clown: Ya, you will see me around there sometime. Cheers!:drink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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