hyperflow Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 How meny shots in a row do you take before you get tired and your groupings go bigger? Im a personal trainer and jog 7-10 miles every day and after 20 shots i can;t group arrows anymore. Is this normal or the muscles used to pull back a string are just diffrent then weight lifting. Right now i got a "loaner realese" tell mine gets in, it takes forever for it to realese so im normaly holding it back for 30secs just waiting for the cotten thing to relases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 You're just starting back now.... You'll get used to it. I never really shoot enough to get tired and I shoot at least 30-50 arrows every time I shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 The muscles used to hold back are used differently than what you normally do by the sound of things. I'm no where near the total conditioning of a body builder and I can shoot for hours, take a little break, and shoot for hours more. The conditioning part on my behalf are primarily the specific muscles used to draw the bow and hold for only 5-10 seconds before release. I was seriously concerned about messing up the shot if a deer walked out back when I first started. At the time I was going to college I had a few classes in the morning and a class or two at night. A local proshop was only a short distance away so thats what I did inbetween classes with the intent on improving muscle memory. I'm not sure whats causing your loss of consistency but you could attempt a drop in draw weight and see if you can extend your time shooting. Do you know how long the time is that it takes for you to recover to good form after shooting your 20 shots? If you can figure that out, then drop the draw weight, and see if theres a marked change in time before your groups expand I bet that would prove whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I shoot around 40-80 arrows every weekend and have not had any issues. I think it is different muscles and once you work them on a regular basis then you should not have any issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I just started shooting this April. I had broken my back about 4 years ago and couldn't pull back much so I started with 43lbs. After about 20-30 shots I was spent. By the end of May I was shooting up to 2 hours a day without pain. I went up to 50 lbs Tuesday. I know that's not a ton, but I can still shoot as much as I want to. I've noticed though toward the end I do let my muscles rest about a minute or two between shots. I go over the shot in my mind before I shoot and still get decent groups. I do start doing that when I notice myself getting sloppy. I figure there might be a deer come by right after climbing up a tree. If I don't practice when my muscles are fatigued then I won't know what to expect. Doing this gives me at least an idea of how to compensate in that situation. One thing I did yesterday that seemed to help is to take 8-10 shots at a time and just go back in the office and work. I'm at work and have a target set outside my office door across the parking lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 With a 70 lb bow, my arms never really get tired. Only issues I ever have with extended shooting is my shoulder. When my groups begin to open up I will usually stop, but don't usually ever get to that point with my regular shooting sessions. Usually when I take a break from shooting(after seasons end) and pick back up I don't shoot quite as many arrows in a session at first. Hopefully once we have our house done I will be shooting a 20 yard target in the basement year round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobuckhunter Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 i have a hard time after blowing out my shoulder in college playing baseball i can usually shoot 15 to 20 times then need to take about a 5 - 10 min break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 My step sons are fitness freaks. One likes to run 50 and 100 mile races. They don't shoot often but like to go with mom just to be with her. They get tired after 20 or 30 shots and can't hit squat. Mom at 66 years old can shoot more then that. You'll need to get the muscle groups you'll use to draw the bow in shape. Then your life will be good. I can shoot the field course and not get tired. I've been using a 60 pound bow this year and it's 4 arrows at 28 targets with a warmup beforehand. You're a trainer so you know the drill. Just have fun doing it. It's recreation. I really admire you John. It's tough coming back from an injury like that. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperflow Posted July 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Thanks for all the advise, One thing i was doing wrong that i just notices, I guess its because its a new bow i didn;t wanna rest it on anything so i was walking back and forth to the target with my bow in hand. Im just gonna keep shooting as often as i can. I thought id be able to pull that thing back all day long. I thought it was like doing dumb bell rows, since your pretty much in the same stands just nealing over. But yeah its not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) How meny shots in a row do you take before you get tired and your groupings go bigger? Im a personal trainer and jog 7-10 miles every day and after 20 shots i can;t group arrows anymore. Is this normal or the muscles used to pull back a string are just diffrent then weight lifting. Right now i got a "loaner realese" tell mine gets in, it takes forever for it to realese so im normaly holding it back for 30secs just waiting for the cotten thing to relases I might shoot 20x, but thats probably it. It doesn't matter to me how much I shoot, its how I place the arrows. If I place my arrows in the right places where I am aiming at, then I will quit early, not giving my arm enough time to start hurting. Edited July 24, 2009 by Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I can shoot a long time and my groups will be the just as tight as they were when I started. I probably shoot 60 to 80 arrows at a time, but i quit mostly because its getting dark on me, not because my arms are tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchback29A1 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I can tell the first few days back to shooting that after a few groups, theres a little lag in the arms. But i think more importantly, how many arrows are you shooting each "set". We've always shot 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'm not really sure. I shoot 3-4 arrow rounds from 10-30 yards and I'd say after 7 or 8 rounds (20-30 shots ) I stop for the day. I've been shooting a bow for a long time and I find shooting a 1/2 hour four times a week more effective than spending 3 hours shooting one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hyperflow, I'm typing this as I'm being reminded by Randy Ulmer on Bowhunter TV....the only shot that matters is the FIRST SHOT. If you have the chance shoot a "First Shot" at a target and either leave it there or mark the spot. Keep shooting only one arrow, the first arrow, at the target each day. After awhile see how good that group is. Unless deer in your area give you a chance to warm-up first and shoot a few:hammer1::clown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperflow Posted July 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hyperflow, I'm typing this as I'm being reminded by Randy Ulmer on Bowhunter TV....the only shot that matters is the FIRST SHOT. If you have the chance shoot a "First Shot" at a target and either leave it there or mark the spot. Keep shooting only one arrow, the first arrow, at the target each day. After awhile see how good that group is. Unless deer in your area give you a chance to warm-up first and shoot a few:hammer1::clown: Yeah that makes sence, Im trying to get in "shape" per say for archery tournaments. I been raping the heck out of my archery target the past few days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hope you dont have neighbors that live too close:hammer1::clown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hope you dont have neighbors that live too close:hammer1::clown: I just spit up my pepsi, that was funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 As GW said, what really matters is that first shot to a bowhunter. by practicing proper form and shot execution on each shot during practice, you will build your muscles up and develope muscle memory. this is what i belive sends a bowhunter into auto pilot when a deer comes into range if hes practiced properly during the summer. too many guys just go outside and fling arrows until there arms are tired and have really not gotten any better. only shoot as many arrows thats comfortable to you. remember its better to shoot 20 arrows properly, than 100 poorly. sometimes i find myself get into just arrow flinging and dont really pay attention to what im doing. i have to kind of back off and slow down and say what am i trying to accomplish here? Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acetum Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) I've target shot for a while and had my bow at about 50lbs... Since I started getting into hunting, I went straight to 70lbs. I noticed a difference. When I was at 50lbs I could shot all day long, when I went to 70lbs I could only shot 20-30 arrows in a session. After 4-5 months I'm used to it so it doesn't bother me anymore. But I agree, with the above, the first shot is the only one that matters. So now I'll just be messing around the house when I get the urge I step outside and take one shot to make sure I'm still on spot. So far so good. I know that's kind of hard to do in some folks houses. oh yea I usually try to hold my bow back for about 30 seconds, I figure this will allow me to wait for the perfect shot, while under pressure. I dunno if its good or not but I can easily group 1 inch at 50, all day long. Everytime I think I can release I always tell myself, that's a good shot, and I count how many times I could've released inside that 30 seconds. Edited July 27, 2009 by acetum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 i never get tired, i shoot maybe 20 to 30 shots a day, but as tony and gw said, i shoot each shot like its going to be the only one that i will get, so i have total concentration i making the shot as perfect as i can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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