Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] you can't tell me that if I don't agree with the additional season that I don't care about the future of hunting....that statement would be downright stupid! [/ QUOTE ] With you saying this I think you miss interpreted what I said. What I meant was if you don't agree with about the age limit thing. I didn't mean about the season changes or any of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] LOL JK! [/ QUOTE ] what does JK mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] If I could speek in front of everyone the main thing I would have to say is that the hunting heritage is weakened when there is a division between the hunters, therefore making it even more susceptible to attacks by anti-hunting organizations, so no matter what anyone's opinions are, we should be able to work together to get rid of the division. This means that we have give and get. [/ QUOTE ] That is a very important and valid point. It is one that I wish the DEC and the muzzleloaders would have thought of when they decided to place bowhunters in a "us vs. them" position. This proposal was quite simply an act of disrespect and aggression against bowhunters. Everyone including the DEC knew how bowhunters would be negatively impacted, and yet went ahead with the proposal anyway, totally disregarding the actual reasons why the bowhunters require and have always had an early season. It's not good to be placed in a "we/they" situation and it's not good to act in a way that causes that situation either. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? I don't want this to spread into a different aspect of an argument about the ML season, but one person at the Binghamton meeting who was against the early ML season where it was being proposed (3rd saturday in Oct.) stated that it would be a little better if the early ML season occured the first week of Oct. I personally would be happy with this (give/get), and I was wondering what any of the anti-early muzzleloader season bow hunters thought about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] , I am not an avid speaker so when I am in front of a crowd no matter what the subject is about I can't speek (and I am sure I am not alone here). [/ QUOTE ] i'm right there with you! However, I will be forcing myself to speak at the Dutchess meetings, as I am a represtative for the New York Bowhunters! [ QUOTE ] muzzleloader hunters should not be deprived of having an equal opportunity in the early season [/ QUOTE ] Equal opportunity??!!!! You can use your single shot rifle ALL THROUGHOUT the regular season! Heck, most of you already do this. Where did all this muzzleloader angst come from??? Were you all not happy with the way things were?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] I don't want this to spread into a different aspect of an argument about the ML season, but one person at the Binghamton meeting who was against the early ML season where it was being proposed (3rd saturday in Oct.) stated that it would be a little better if the early ML season occured the first week of Oct. I personally would be happy with this (give/get), and I was wondering what any of the anti-early muzzleloader season bow hunters thought about this. [/ QUOTE ] Squirrelbuster, I believe that I can answer for myself and maybe a few others(if I have heard what their saying correctly). You have asked for the "Opinion" of what the bowhunters thought about: it would be a little better if the early ML season occured the first week of Oct. I personally would be happy with this (give/get), and I was wondering what any of the anti-early muzzleloader season bow hunters thought about this. As a BowHunter who requires the game to be alot closer than 100 yards for a decent shot(or any shot) why would I be in favor of having the deer moving at lightning speed, let alone the fact they would be nocturnal in behaviour, after the first week they were shot at by Muzzleloaders?????? If you were there and heard the DEC presentation I have to ask you these questions: Did you hear what the first person who asked a question said? Did you hear that person ask the DEC officer..."When was the last time the Citezens Task Force met in this area"??? Did you hear that person ask the DEC officer about the accuracy of the numbers they get from the Citezens Task Force if they have not met together in years???? Did you hear the DEC officers explaination of How they get their numbers and where they come from??? Most importantly now and listen closely.... Did you hear any explaination on why they have not met in some areas since the early 90's???? No...I didnt think so because the DEC officer never answered that question..EVER. Even after staying late and being in the group of maybe 8-10 people left talking to the DEC officer...IT STILL NEVER GOT ANSWERED!!!!!!!!! My point is rather simple for anyone to understand here......the DEC is making judgements on changing season dates from information that at best is multiple years old!!! As a Hunter first...good heavens...All of us...That should run shudders of disbelief down your backs. They are making these decisions that effect all hunters in this state by geussing.. I was told that the numbers were correct.... I asked how that was arrived at?????? I was told by Mathmeticians and Statisticians... What are they using in that closed room with no windows....an ABACUS???? By the way....I was that person who asked the first question.....ADKhunter(Dave) was the second one to ask a question...he was sitting next to me....We were sitting down near the front..on the right side. You now know what our Voices sound like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Hey, GW. The reason why I posted this is because in his opinion the if the ML season was to happen in the first week rather than the third then that would give the deer time to calm down before the rut. Now remember that was this certain persons opinion not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Walk out of the cave. Go climb up in a treestand for an entire archery season without making a noise. Sit there and just watch. [/ QUOTE ] I also do this, but that doesn't change the fact that muzzleloader hunters should not be deprived of having an equal opportunity in the early season even if it is in the beginning of October or where they have it proposed now. [/ QUOTE ] SB I won't argue with this, but the middle of the archery season is not the place. How can you justify breaking up the season for the archers. My opinion, for what it may be worth, Give them the first week of shotgun and shorten the shotgun season. I would have no problem with that, but not smack dab in the middle of a undisturbed season. jmho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] muzzleloader hunters should not be deprived of having an equal opportunity in the early season even if it is in the beginning of October or where they have it proposed now. [/ QUOTE ] And what about the shotgunners? is there some reason why they should not demand a piece of the bowhunting season also. Perhaps some day, they too will feel that they "should not be deprived of having an equal opportunity in the early season". Does anyone remember why archery was set aside as a special season? It didn't have anything to do with parity of seasons between guns and bows. It was in recognition that the bow is a particularly short range weapon and requires a relatively undisturbed deer herd in order to be effective. Exactly what part of that description applies to a muzzleloader? In fact, what exactly is the functional claim that muzzleloaders have for being treated any differently than a shotgunner? That is the point that no one has ever explained to me. Can anyone help me out on that issue? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] Hey, GW. The reason why I posted this is because in his opinion the if the ML season was to happen in the first week rather than the third then that would give the deer time to calm down before the rut. Now remember that was this certain persons opinion not mine. [/ QUOTE ] And he was sitting in the middle of the auditorium...I remember him speaking up. He said what he thought and I respect that fully! Your statement that Doc has quoted... ______________________________________________ Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "muzzleloader hunters should not be deprived of having an equal opportunity in the early season even if it is in the beginning of October or where they have it proposed now." _______________________________________________ do this to it...Place "Archers" where you have placed "Muzzleloaders". Doc and I are agreeing more in these days lately(must be my old age...LOL)....we definitely agree on why the Archery season was "Set Aside" thats for sure!!! Here..lets do this instead of what the DEC is proposing now: I want another week of archery season added on to what we already have now and I want it coming from the first week of Muzzleloader season.... Willing to give it up muzzleloaders?????? Would that be "Fair and Equitable to Everyone" as the DEC calls this change in the archery season??????? Would you show up at the meetings then and speak up like us Bowhunters have been doing????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutter10x Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? ok how about we give the MLs the last week or 2 of the archery season.....and start the archery season a week or 2 earlier....... and there is no argument when it comes to actual days afield..cause if all of you are true bowhunters (as u all claim to be) then thats what u use during the whole year.....or is that not what im hearing......or are you not confident enough with your hunting skills that you have to pick up a shotgun........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] Here..lets do this instead of what the DEC is proposing now: I want another week of archery season added on to what we already have now and I want it coming from the first week of Muzzleloader season.... Willing to give it up muzzleloaders?????? [/ QUOTE ] I am not quite following you GW, are you talking about the first week of the muzzleloader season as it is now? If so, this would mean you would be wanting an extra week in Dec. To make it like the proposed early muzzleloader season, both bow and ML season would be open during this week in Dec. If this is the case than I would be more than willing for that to be passed. I don't care if the late bow season ran along side the muzzleloader season the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? My point Squirrelbuster is that is how it feels to us. Its just taking away from what we have...are you willing to give up that week????? If your not then you know how we feel!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "are you not confident enough with your hunting skills that you have to pick up a shotgun....." I am confident enough in my skills cutter10x that if I chose to do so I could use the Bow all year. Cutter10x....Are "YOU NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH IN YOUR HUNTING SKILLS THAT YOU HAVE TO USE A MUZZLELOADER"????. (no personal attack intended or implied) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? I'm going to stick my neck out for a minute First I want to thank all of you who gave me insight into how the meetings are going. I have used your comments to prepare notes for my meeting. Speaking as one of those people the DEC wants to hear from, a non-bowhunting muzzleloader hunter, I plan to go to my meeting on the 23rd and tell them what I think of the early ML season. I only hope they all drive up here to hear my opinion. I fear the possiblity of poor weather is going to keep them home. Even though I make my living speaking in front of others I plan to have written statement so I sound professional and do not forget a thing. This is something Squirrelbuster may want to try. Just read a statement bud, no one will think any less of you. Just make sure you say something. I will state my opinion that I disagree with their proposal and more importantly I will offer suggestions for other ideas. For example, a January ML season like PA. has. I have always liked that idea. I anxiously await for the 23rd and I hope I get to meet some of your there. As I said before. Look for the guy with the green Browning hat. Keep up the fight Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] and there is no argument when it comes to actual days afield..cause if all of you are true bowhunters (as u all claim to be) then thats what u use during the whole year.....or is that not what im hearing......or are you not confident enough with your hunting skills that you have to pick up a shotgun........ [/ QUOTE ] Fella...... I have seen some of your coyness on At, and was wondering when it was going to show up here. Didn't have to wait long MOst of New York's bowhunters do indeed hunt with other weapons such as rifles, shotguns, and modern inline muzzleloaders. They just enjoy bowhunting more - I mean, that is as personal as you can get with nature! As far as confidence with a shotgun, me personally - I have a farther Comfortable, effective range with my bow than my Olde 870! I am not a gun guy by any means - but I will still toe it out there during the regular season occasionaly. I still turkey hunt with it, (thats right folks - I'm still a barrell changer!!! ) Although, I am hitting the turkey woods more and more with the bow!. Bowhunting, and archery in general is something that brings me so much joy and pleasure. It's a persoanl competition, the next shot better than the one before it. Just one more yard back with the same accuracy. I practice year round in my yard, my basement, the parking garage at work, anywahere! You can't do that with a gun! To me, stick and string is a more rewarding experience, there are so many variables that have to be in your favor to get that ideal shot! It is a ruch unlike none I have ever gotten with a gun in my hands! (well, except that whole convenience store deal! ) I have no intention of buying a ML, no matter what. I still own only ONE gun (2 barrels though! ). I intend to get a pistol like I always have (protection at the malls!). Bowhunting to me is where it's at! I love bowhunting - it is MY time of year - and I WILL protect it with ALL THAT I HAVE! That being said; [ QUOTE ] Speaking as one of those people the DEC wants to hear from, a non-bowhunting muzzleloader hunter [/ QUOTE ] OMG!!!!! Clay's one of THEM!!!!!! Quick, start the beatings!!!!! (ditto GW's disclaimer!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] are you willing to give up that week????? [/ QUOTE ] No I would not be willing to give up that week, but you guys won't be giving up your week either. Like I said I would be willing to SHARE the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? One thing is for certain, even if they don't pass the proposals for the early ML season, the early archery and the late ML seasons need to be extended so there is more time all together to hunt, because if they don't pass the early ML season you can bet your @#$ that I will be out there with the bow during the early season and with the muzzleloader during late season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] Speaking as one of those people the DEC wants to hear from, a non-bowhunting muzzleloader hunter [/ QUOTE ] OMG!!!!! Clay's one of THEM!!!!!! Quick, start the beatings!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] 911, Hey now just back off, I'm on your side remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Speaking as one of those people the DEC wants to hear from, a non-bowhunting muzzleloader hunter [/ QUOTE ] OMG!!!!! Clay's one of THEM!!!!!! Quick, start the beatings!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] 911, Hey now just back off, I'm on your side remember. [/ QUOTE ] I say that we all benifit when us as Hunters speak up and have our voices heard by the DEC. Dan, I'll hold him down for ya...or better yet...we will lock him in Jim's Outhouse at the next NY Get-Together Smackdown...ROFLMBO Wait...even though he's a muzzleloader guy....I couldnt do that to him.....its just not right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Dave, ADKhunter clean out your pms. I tried to send you one but it said you were full. Wanted to know if you wanted a ride tomorow night. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutter10x Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? well 911 you must not read well....i posted on here way before AT......you must have choose not to read them..........so you want to get personnal with nature then give the MLs the last 2 weeks of the archery season....and start the archery season on oct 1st......2 weeks here for 2 weeks there.......your not losing anything............and get rid of the late bow season...what do you need it for...the deer are to spooked anyways.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] so you want to get personnal with nature then give the MLs the last 2 weeks of the archery season....and start the archery season on oct 1st......2 weeks here for 2 weeks there [/ QUOTE ] Hey cutter, I am pro early ML season for where they are proposing it now or any time earlier, but even I am against having it the last two weeks of the early muzzleloader season, because that would mean there is a gun in the field during the prime rut phase, and I do believe that the archers should have this part of the season. With the season where it is being proposed, the rut still hasn't fully kicked in yet. Plus with the ML season being antlerless only, this would ruin a big chance at a buck during the rut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutter10x Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? ya i understand...and agree......see i think that basically the NYBers dont want anyone screwing up there hunting of the rut.......thats there reason for the big fight......at least deep down in there gut...places they dont like talking about........what do you think the dec would say to them if they just came out and said....hey no guns during our season cause it would ruin our bowhunting the rut...dec would laugh at them...so they come up with the other garbage.....see i agree with everything else...ie..the dec does not know jack about the size of the herd ..and something needs to be done....but i have still not heard 1 good reason why this ML season should not be implemented....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] but i have still not heard 1 good reason why this ML season should not be implemented....... [/ QUOTE ] Right....You heard several good reasons why it shouldn't be implemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] ya i understand...and agree......see i think that basically the NYBers dont want anyone screwing up there hunting of the rut.......thats there reason for the big fight......at least deep down in there gut...places they dont like talking about........what do you think the dec would say to them if they just came out and said....hey no guns during our season cause it would ruin our bowhunting the rut...dec would laugh at them...so they come up with the other garbage.....see i agree with everything else...ie..the dec does not know jack about the size of the herd ..and something needs to be done....but i have still not heard 1 good reason why this ML season should not be implemented....... [/ QUOTE ] Cutter10X...If you see no reason that this proposed season should not be implemented.......Let me step up and face you here and say this: I invite you to hunt with a bow...during the archery season...with me. I'm sure its not what you were expecting, now that I think about it more, I can only reason out why I asked your rudeness into my company in the first place. I find only one good and sane reason...also I find that very same reason to be the only way out of this battle we are all engaged in........and I find there to be only one way to a solid conclusion... United as Hunters Quite frankly I dont think there will be any changes that truely matter......... Until we group together and unite as the "Hunters of New York State". I'm not afraid to take the first step and speak up with some words that are real and truely matter......my personal invitation to hunt together!!! Well Cutter10X...will you accept the offer???? Are you man or women enough to put your skills in place of what is coming out of your mouth(your keyboard)?????....then continue reading below. Will you accept the chance to see why we feel the way we do...............or will you cower from a single persons request??? I'm just one man...a man willing to offer and share one of the most valuable things we all have together on this planet.....Time. I'll throw in some free lessons on how to shoot a bow if you need them. You already have hunting skills...dont you???? If you do...you wont need any shotgun or rifle(muzzleloader included) though a short range tool,during the archery season, such as a bow is reccomended. I dare say that after the experience of deer undisturbed and close enough(while they are walking) for you to see their eyelashes...you may not want to use them anyway. After which you may be against these changes as we bowhunters are. If You Want An Extension To Your Season....Hunt With Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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