Doc Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Meeting at West Canada High School [ QUOTE ] Their were no specific limitations mentioned, but what will most likely happen is similar to how it has always been. 12 to 13 year olds must be with an adult 21 or older. 14 to 15 year olds must be with an adult 18 or older. [/ QUOTE ] That would be cool! As far as the Saturday openings, I am all for them. Being retired, it really no longer makes any difference to me, but I was a working stiff at one time and I remember that it was not always a great thing to have to burn one of my few precious vacation day's. I also remember that it was not always even possible. Given the way industry is operating today, a more appropriate day to open seasons would be on Sundays. It's surprising how many people have to work Saturdays. But, I guess Saturday openers would definitely be a great improvement over the way it is now. How in the heck did they ever get started with Monday openers anyway? That really makes no sense to me at all. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Meeting at West Canada High School Two things that came form the meeting at the West Canada School .... 1. In order for the age limit to be dropped. it is not up to the DEC, it requires legislative action. They encouraged us to contact our local representatives to make this happen. 2. The Saturday opener had been tried before. But it has always been shot down. I talked to the DEC guys after the meeting, and they believe that because of the big controversy of the early ML season that noone seems to conserned about the change to a Saturday opener. Sooooooo ....... do you think that maybe the DEC did this on purpose so that they could get the Saturday opener in and really have no intentions of implementing an early ML season. Ok maybe I am just hoping, but if that is the case I could live with that. To be honest I don't care one way or another about the opener of shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Meeting at West Canada High School a "SMOKESCREEN" Huh, Jim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Meeting at West Canada High School [ QUOTE ] Sooooooo ....... do you think that maybe the DEC did this on purpose so that they could get the Saturday opener in and really have no intentions of implementing an early ML season. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting theory Now this is starting to sound like an X-File LOL. However I will remain sceptical until I see what is on the final printout. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] As a teacher I am very much for the opening day on Saturday. I can't take the day off. There is a lot of pressure on kids not to hunt on Monday. When I was in high school I played basketball. One of my team members asked if he could miss practice to hunt opening day. My coach as how many more would like the day off and about 8 of us raised our hands. He reluctently let us go and the next Saturday we all sat the bench for the entire game We all remembered it the follwing year and only 2 or 3 made the sacrifice to go hunting. I believe you will get more than a 2% raise if you allow a Saturday opener. I don't have a lot of faith in Cornell. Just ask the kids at the Sherburne-Earlville school in Chenago County. The get the opening day off from school because so many kids, teachers and bus drivers take the day off. MHO Ranger [/ QUOTE ] When I have kids, i will let them take opening day off. No offense to all the teachers, but good father/son or father/daughter time together in the woods is more educaitonal and better for the kids than any day at school. Schools should promote family time. If they don't then it is sad. Lot's of kids get ignored by their parents, and this is a discrace!!!! looks like my kids will be sick on every opener, sick with buck fever!!!! lol!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Yup, Thats right RM! I was rewarded for being a good kid by being allowed to take off the Monday Opener. I will do the same with my kids - God willing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? I guess I have a lot of leniancy, because I am allowed to take off any opening day I want, small game, big game, and turkey PLUS, I can take off any other day I want (to a certain extent) as long as my grades don't drop . This means there is going to be a lot of turkey hunting this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? me too - it's called comp time! God Bless the civil servants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As a teacher I am very much for the opening day on Saturday. I can't take the day off. There is a lot of pressure on kids not to hunt on Monday. When I was in high school I played basketball. One of my team members asked if he could miss practice to hunt opening day. My coach as how many more would like the day off and about 8 of us raised our hands. He reluctently let us go and the next Saturday we all sat the bench for the entire game We all remembered it the follwing year and only 2 or 3 made the sacrifice to go hunting. I believe you will get more than a 2% raise if you allow a Saturday opener. I don't have a lot of faith in Cornell. Just ask the kids at the Sherburne-Earlville school in Chenago County. The get the opening day off from school because so many kids, teachers and bus drivers take the day off. MHO Ranger [/ QUOTE ] When I have kids, i will let them take opening day off. No offense to all the teachers, but good father/son or father/daughter time together in the woods is more educaitonal and better for the kids than any day at school. Schools should promote family time. If they don't then it is sad. Lot's of kids get ignored by their parents, and this is a discrace!!!! looks like my kids will be sick on every opener, sick with buck fever!!!! lol!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Rossman, That is great that you will take your kids outdoors. I applaude you for it. However your kids will pay the penalty. There is much more pressure on the kids in sports today than when I was in high school in the early 80's. Coachs are not going to be as forgiving as you are and will put A LOT of pressure on them to choose one or the other. Be prepared to discuss with your kids whether they will give up their starting position for the next big game so they can go hunting with you. You may get mad at this scenario but it's the truth and I hear of it all the time. It's easy to say "I will do this" but until you are a parent you cannot understand. It is all part of the pressure put on kids and the decline of youth hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Yeah, If my kids have practice and need to be there then they will. But they can always miss the morning of school for opening day and make it back to school for practice. If it means them not getting start in the next game then we will have to discuss it. If my son or daughter is the best at his/her position then their is no reason why they should not get their start for missing one day ofshool or the morning. My senior year of HS we were in the reigonal championship for footbal, I was the starting quarterback. Mondays are film days with a short practice. I went hunting all day and killed a deer around 1:00. Luckinly my father was with me. I ran through the woods to get to practice on time. I made it on time with no problems, started the game and won. But, when we got to the regionals, our coach told us to make football our number one priority over school. Why? He said, for the rest of our lives we will never be able to wiun a state championship. We can always go to school!!! He was right. We learned more from those two weeks, how to be a man, lead and win, than any two weeks in school!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? i will be goin to the feb 24th meeting at dutchess c/c along with my 2 cousins and father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Shawn - i will be there too, and plan to speak, unless I chcken out! hang around after and we'll meet up. I'll be the NYB Rep there handing out the membership apps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? where is the report on the Watertown DEC meeting? Did anyone go? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Hi Guys, I went to the Watertown meeting last night. Hoped that someone from the forum would come up and say hi but It never happened. Approximately 100 hunters came to the meeting. there were 3 DEC biologists (all from region 6) and a moderator running the meeting (the moderator was a real goof). Also in attendance were 2 Conservation Officers. Jim Farquar gave an excellent presentation about the state of the herd. He was very professional and did a great job. I have know Jim for about 8 years and he has always been supportive of hunters and willing to listen. He stuck around for over an hour to answer questions after the meeting. After the 1 hour slide presentation we were given an opportunity to ask questions and then a comment period. Not many people came up to speak because the moderator made you come to the front of the auditorium, take the microphone and speak to the crowd. Many hunters I spoke with said they did not want to speak because they were uncomfortable with the format. They would rather speak from their seats. Of all the discussion I would say that 90% of the discussion was about the Northern Tier hunting. Very little was discussed about the Southern Tier ML changes. The biggest topic was antler restrictions and QDM. I would say that 50% or more of the discussion was about that topic. In a show of hands, more than half supported antler restriction. There was also plenty of really good positive pro-crossbow discussion as well. Another topic was the lowering of the age for youth hunters and how to get them more involved. One gentleman made an excellent observation, "As I look around the room I see none of you brought your kids to this meeting." I thought that was very insightful. After the meeting I stuck around to talk with some of the DEC biologists. I spoke with a woman who was very helpful. She said she had gone to only a few meeting. I asked how she felt the ML change was going. She said to me that she did not believe it was going to happen. Instead she feels that the DEC will go with a longer ML season going into January. She also felt that antler restrictions and QDM was going to very real possibility in the future. So that's what happened at last nights meeting. I have some chores to do and will be off line for a few hours. I should be back on-line after noon in case some of you have questions. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Thanks Ranger. I would have no problem if they extended the ML into January. I might even buy one. At the West Canada meeting they also stated that QDM and antler restriction was most likely going to happen in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] There was also plenty of really good positive pro-crossbow discussion as well. [/ QUOTE ] Were the pro-crossbow comments about forming a new season, mixing in with the bow season, or just about liberalizing the medical requirements for handicapped use? When you say there was plenty of discussion, could you get a sense of whether the majority of the audience was in favor of crossbow legalization? This sounds like another issue we will be facing in the near future. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There was also plenty of really good positive pro-crossbow discussion as well. [/ QUOTE ] Were the pro-crossbow comments about forming a new season, mixing in with the bow season, or just about liberalizing the medical requirements for handicapped use? When you say there was plenty of discussion, could you get a sense of whether the majority of the audience was in favor of crossbow legalization? This sounds like another issue we will be facing in the near future. Doc [/ QUOTE ] In my opinion, allowing anyone to use crossbows wqould be a pretty cool idea. If they were to legalize it, they need to create a really early special season for crossbows (EX: September) and allow them in the gun season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There was also plenty of really good positive pro-crossbow discussion as well. [/ QUOTE ] Were the pro-crossbow comments about forming a new season, mixing in with the bow season, or just about liberalizing the medical requirements for handicapped use? When you say there was plenty of discussion, could you get a sense of whether the majority of the audience was in favor of crossbow legalization? This sounds like another issue we will be facing in the near future. Doc [/ QUOTE ] One gentleman came to the front and made comments about how he would like to see crossbows legalized. When he was done there was a HUGE round of appause and the DEC made note of it. One disabled hunter (so disabled he could not come down front) said he hunts in other states they allow him to use a crossbow and does not even buy a big game license in NY because he does not qualify for the disabled permit. There were two owners of local archery shops who both spoke in favor of crossbows because many of their customers are too old to draw back a compound. Nothing was suggested by the DEC but they said they liked the feedback and would take note of it. Not one person spoke up against the idea. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] Nothing was suggested by the DEC but they said they liked the feedback and would take note of it. Not one person spoke up against the idea. [/ QUOTE ] Thats pretty cool, maybe in the future (hopefully sooner than later) we will be having another deer season to look forward to, or at least another variety of weapon to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] One gentleman made an excellent observation, "As I look around the room I see none of you brought your kids to this meeting." I thought that was very insightful. Ranger [/ QUOTE ] This comment is very insightful. Many hunters like to blame others for the lack of youths being involved. But how many hunters who complain actually take their kids out while they, themselves, are hunting, just to observe? This comment made sense to me, thanks for sharing!!!! --Rossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] Thats pretty cool, maybe in the future (hopefully sooner than later) we will be having another deer season to look forward to, or at least another variety of weapon to use. [/ QUOTE ] Or perhaps another potential adversary for the early bow season. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? Poughkeepsie Meeting -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They did things differently here apparently..... The DEC presented their slide show - which I found interesting. It would be nice to trust all of their data and information - but we know we cannot. The region 3 biologist spoke - interesting. He openly admitted that they "lost track of the deer herd and the severity of the past winters. then... Dick Henry spoke - also interesting if all he said was true! Then they broke the meeting. They stated that we could break up into smaller groups to make comments. There was no opportunities for public comments to be made to the audience. They did have people in the lobby of the auditorium that wrote down all of our comments. There were probably less than 100 poeple in attendance, the majority of which were older into down right elderly! I m 30 and belive I was the youngest face there!!!! Most were gun hunters. As bowhunters, and particularly members of the New York Bowhunters, we were definitly outnumbered. I did get to meet the other Dutchess NYB Rep, who helped me passs out some information packets, membership applications, etc. Basiclly, this was our first public appearance, and we made ourselves known. I also got some inside info - from a reliable source. They are seriously toying with the early muzzleloader season running the first week of October. That's it. The rest of the month will be archery only. I know Doc says no concessions, but this is better than the original proposition. Opinions please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Thats pretty cool, maybe in the future (hopefully sooner than later) we will be having another deer season to look forward to, or at least another variety of weapon to use. [/ QUOTE ] Or perhaps another potential adversary for the early bow season. Doc [/ QUOTE ] Explain to me how this could be. Even if they had a special crossbow season week, similar to how they are trying to do the muzzleloader season, there wouldn't be the so called "disruption" of the deer herd from noise because a crossbow makes just as little noise as a bow. Also, a crossbow has just as little effective range as a regular bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? [ QUOTE ] Even if they had a special crossbow season week, similar to how they are trying to do the muzzleloader season, there wouldn't be the so called "disruption" of the deer herd from noise because a crossbow makes just as little noise as a bow. [/ QUOTE ] No, the disruption could wind up to be the replacement of one of our bow weeks with a crossbow week. Frankly, I am getting sick of doing battle to salvage our bow season everytime someone gets a wild hair about hunting with some new gadget. It sure looks like everytime you turn around lately, someone has got their eye on our season. I think it's about time for that to stop! Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutter10x Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Re: NY deer Hunters ? well you just proved my point........you guys just need something to argue about....ok so you came up with some reasons why there shouldnt be ML in the field during archery season......but crossbows... give me a break...your telling me if the dec allows crossbows DURING the archery season your going to have a problem with that........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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