HunterLuke Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I bought my bow pre-set with everything and it's draw length says it's set on 29 inches. It fits me great whatever the length is though. I'm not sure if it's true though, I have fairly long arms but I measured one of my arrows and it came out 25-25 1/4 inches. I always thought your arrows were supposed to be longer than your draw length? I shoot with a whisker biscuit and release,not fingers. Is there a way I can measure the draw length on my bow to see if it's true? BTW- I held the end of a tape measurer in my hand and "drawed" it back and marked on it on where I usually hold with my bow at full draw and it came out 29 inches. I know nothing about technical stuff with bows so please forgive these rookie questions..haha Thanks, Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Im not sure exaclty how its measured. I think its measured at the front of the riser where the shelf is. I do know that arrow length is usually shorter than your draw length Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterLuke Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Im not sure exaclty how its measured. I think its measured at the front of the riser where the shelf is. I do know that arrow length is usually shorter than your draw length Okay, thanks. Some bowhunting sight I read on said "when getting arrows it's best to be safe and get them around 2inches longer than your draw length." That's what had me thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 As long as they stick out in front of your rest i wouldnt worry about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterLuke Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 As long as they stick out in front of your rest i wouldnt worry about it I measured from the front of my "shelf" to my string where my D-loop is tied. came out near 29. And yeh your right, the tip of my arrow(with nothing on it) sticks out around 1/2-3/4 which is what I wan't I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 As far as arrow lenght goes you should be fine. That whisker Biscuit allows you to shoot a little shorter arrow than some rests because it is behind the shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckNrut Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 What I've read/heard is that your wingspan divided by 2.3 = your draw length. Add 1" for target shooting, 2" for broad heads (hunting) arrows for their length. Sounds like your setup is in the right neighborhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I bought my bow pre-set with everything and it's draw length says it's set on 29 inches. It fits me great whatever the length is though. I'm not sure if it's true though, I have fairly long arms but I measured one of my arrows and it came out 25-25 1/4 inches. I always thought your arrows were supposed to be longer than your draw length? I shoot with a whisker biscuit and release,not fingers. Is there a way I can measure the draw length on my bow to see if it's true? BTW- I held the end of a tape measurer in my hand and "drawed" it back and marked on it on where I usually hold with my bow at full draw and it came out 29 inches. I know nothing about technical stuff with bows so please forgive these rookie questions..haha Thanks, Luke Wait a minute. You are talking an arrow length that is 4" shorter than your draw length???? Unless you have one serious radical overdraw on you bow, one measurement or the other is wrong. Think about it.......4" shorter arrows than your draw length??? That a whole lot! AMO standards define draw length as "AMO Draw Length is the distance to Pivot Point plus 1 3/4”. The pivot point is referring to the root of the bow's grip. The arrow length is measured from the bottom of the nock slot to the face of the insert. See: http://archerysearch.com/publications/AmoStandards.pdf for these definitions. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterLuke Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Ohh, I have no idea now..lol I'm shooting a PSE Nova SU if that might matter any? After you draw it back and it kinda "locks" with the cams to where it's easy to hold because of the let off. Then you can draw it back about 2 inches more, which is what I do because it fits me alot better and I can shoot better like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrider86401 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 try being a 34 1/2 draw - but, i'm shooting 32.5 right now . jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterwebb Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Wait a minute. You are talking an arrow length that is 4" shorter than your draw length???? Unless you have one serious radical overdraw on you bow, one measurement or the other is wrong. Think about it.......4" shorter arrows than your draw length??? That a whole lot! AMO standards define draw length as "AMO Draw Length is the distance to Pivot Point plus 1 3/4”. The pivot point is referring to the root of the bow's grip. The arrow length is measured from the bottom of the nock slot to the face of the insert. See: http://archerysearch.com/publications/AmoStandards.pdf for these definitions. Doc iam with doc i have never seen a overdraw that long i shoot a 29 draw and 28 arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 for my hunting bow, i always cut my hunting arrows so they stick out 1.5 inches past the riser. this allows for easy broadhead clearance and i just dont like the idea of having a broadhead right over top of my grip hand. i shoot a 29.5 inch draw length, but shoot 27.25 inch arrows for my 3d setup. i have them cut to a 1/2 inch past the rest to maximize speed. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob LeBlanc Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Somethin's not adding up there, Luke. First of all...you shouldn't be drawing back an extra 2" after the 'break' of the cam. It sounds to me that you are, probably, shooting off of the 'wall' which you shouldn't do. Ideally, you want to shoot from the 'valley' of your bows force draw curve (no more than 1/2" past the 'break') or your arrow flight and consistency will suffer. If your bow is set at 29", and you're shooting with a loop, then the actual effective draw you are using is 29 1/2" (ya gotta remember that the loop adds about 1/2" to the bow's draw length. As example...if your draw requirement is actually 29" and you are shooting a loop, then the bow should be set to (approx.) 28 1/2".) 4" is a BIG difference. My bow (a PSE SR1000) is set at 28", and I shoot a 26 3/4" arrow off of a prong rest. Without actually seeing your set-up, I can't say for sure what's up with your measurements, but it just don't set well... I'm kind'a thinking that your bow fit isn't too good, though. You shouldn't be drawing the bow back an extra couple of inches past the break...you should only be drawing the bow back to YOUR anchor point. The bow should be set up that the valley matches your anchor...don't move your anchor to suit the valley. I'd suggest that you get a buddy to measure from the string to 1" past your rest when at full draw. Close your eyes...put on a blindfold...whatever...but only draw back to a consistent anchor point, and then set your bow up and arrow length to match you. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 If your bow is set at 29", and you're shooting with a loop, then the actual effective draw you are using is 29 1/2" (ya gotta remember that the loop adds about 1/2" to the bow's draw length. As example...if your draw requirement is actually 29" and you are shooting a loop, then the bow should be set to (approx.) 28 1/2".) Adding a loop does not add to the draw length, it stays the same. Some people get the perception that it is longer because it will put you anchor back further but the distance from your eye to peep as well as the contact from your nose to string does not change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 If your bow is set at 29", and you're shooting with a loop, then the actual effective draw you are using is 29 1/2" (ya gotta remember that the loop adds about 1/2" to the bow's draw length. As example...if your draw requirement is actually 29" and you are shooting a loop, then the bow should be set to (approx.) 28 1/2".) Adding a loop does not add to the draw length, it stays the same. Some people get the perception that it is longer because it will put you anchor back further but the distance from your eye to peep as well as the contact from your nose to string does not change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterLuke Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Is there a possibility that it was shipped from PSE pre-set on the 29 inches and then they changed it? I got it for my 13th birthday and I'm now 15. When I walked into the bow shop the guy had me draw it back and when I was my full draw the guy said okay perfect and my dad paid the man and we left. They might have changed it guessing I wouldn't do good with the full 29inch. draw. When I reach my "break" it feels just to short for me and makes me have to lean into it. I prolly need to take it to a bow shop and have them see what they think since they would be able to actually see what I'm doing. Thanks so far for the help ya'll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 After you draw it back and it kinda "locks" with the cams to where it's easy to hold because of the let off. Then you can draw it back about 2 inches more That is interesting. I have a older PSE Nova and I dont think I can get another 2" out of it past the valley. I know on mine it has different slots in the cam for the string. You might want to take it to a shop and have them take a look at it, and if you already did... you might take it to a different shop and ask as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNTINGMAN Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 I dont think arrow lenghth matters as much now days with carbon arrows.They are so light anyway it dosent make much of a diffrence in an inch or two as long as its long enough to clear your rest with a broadhead on.I try to cut mine as short as I can and it is with about an inch of shaft sticking out of my wisker buiscut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoytguy Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Wait a minute. You are talking an arrow length that is 4" shorter than your draw length???? Unless you have one serious radical overdraw on you bow, one measurement or the other is wrong. Think about it.......4" shorter arrows than your draw length??? That a whole lot! AMO standards define draw length as "AMO Draw Length is the distance to Pivot Point plus 1 3/4”. The pivot point is referring to the root of the bow's grip. The arrow length is measured from the bottom of the nock slot to the face of the insert. See: http://archerysearch.com/publications/AmoStandards.pdf for these definitions. Doc That is correct !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterLuke Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Okay I've measured everything over and over and my arrows keep coming out 25 inches, draw length seems to be 29. You can see how close the end of the arrow is to the WB. Hard to see but you can kinda see the little silver insert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I want to see a couple more pics when you get time. A close up of the rest/riser from the same side as the one of you in it. I want to see how far behind the riser the rest is. Also a picture of the cam. I want to see which groove the string is in. I'am betting that cam can be set up for a draw of 26" - 31" depending on which groove it is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterLuke Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Okay will do Okie, I'll try and get pics today. And also my PSE came with another set of cam things but I know nothing about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
struttinhoyt Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Deffinatly isn't 29" i bet the bow shop shortened it up after they got it... It looks pretty close to being right for you... Your anchor point looks a little off tho... fixing it now would make a world of diffference down the road... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterLuke Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Here's the pics Okie, here's the top cam Bottom Cam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Ok... those are Synergy Universal cams which I am not familar with. I was hoping it had Vector 4 cams on it so I could help. The cams you have has different draw modules to adjust the draw length. It should have come with a pr of mods installed on the bow and two extra sets of mods for changing length, 3 sets total. I also think there are 2 positions the mods can go on as well. Your best bet is to find a PSE stocking dealer (archery shop, not big box) and take it to them so they can see what mods are on it as well as measure your correct draw length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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