DocMort Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Careful noone wants to get flagged for opposing the Healthcare plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Too late, I've already turned in everyone that posts in the Politics forum. You should expect a call from the IRS anytime now. :taped: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 How much do you get for turning somebody in? Oh no! The black suburban just went by again. Gotta go! Mark :oops: :stupid: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Ya'll turned me in what the ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Think I am missing out here, what are ya'll talkin about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 The comments that if you oppose the healthcare plan you could be turned into [email protected] for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 if i'm not on their hit list now, i should be. hey, did i miss an "s" somewhere??? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 WOW!!!! You have got to be kidding me, bring it is all I have to say And BTW, I HATE the idea of Govt run health care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 The democrats claim that everyone opposed to nationalized health care or to this administration are radicals, extremists and/or un-American. They forget one of their own said the same thing against the Bush administration. Opposition was good then but it's not now? Hillary in 2003 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 The democrats claim that everyone opposed to nationalized health care or to this administration are radicals, extremists and/or un-American. They forget one of their own said the same thing against the Bush administration. Opposition was good then but it's not now? Hillary in 2003 - Not in any way discounting that at all, but would be curious where that came from. Guess by that way of thinking that makes the majority in this country radicals, extremists, and/or un-American. Either that or those liberals are elitists who are way too far out of touch with reality to see that they are not only in the minority on this type of nationalized health care plan, but also that the majority in this country does not approve of this administration. Think it is blatantly obvious. Last I heard polls show that the majority of citizens do not approve of the proposed health care plan and for quite some time the administrations approval rating has been slipping and obvious the majority in this country do not approve. So by this the liberals would say the majority of people in this country are radicals, extremists, and or un-American. What a slap in the face to those people of all party affiliations who choose to voice their dissatisfaction. Sooner or later enough folks out there are going to see these scare tactics and going to get tired of those legislators talking down to us common folks who live in the real world. Sad to think of where things are headed, but sometimes some things are unavoidable and to think we could not be headed in the direction of civil distress in this country is probably unrealistic. Seems there could be some civil agreements met by those representing the people who elected them, but there it seems on both sides there are too many self serving politicians who could care less about what is right and who will not do what is right for the people who they represent. Way past time to clean house imho, this country could use some real changes and I am not talking about the type of changes that Barrack Obama and the liberals wish to shove through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 How are we to come to a solution to our healthcare issues with a bunch of middle aged loudmouthed women shouting and acting like 3 year olds. These people have no manners and not much in the way of intelligence either. The administration has already come up with one big home run...the cash for clunkers program is very popular and is helping the U.S. economy. While I am generally not a fan of this type of subsidy I must say it is a success considering the $1 b spent compared to $700 + billion given to banks. The first step in fixing our HC problem is realizing there is a problem. Why don't those on the right want to part of the solution rather than part of the problem? Please do explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 FLAG me! I DO NOT approve of Obamas HC plan. Its ALL empty promises................... We need W back........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Cash for clunkers...what a joke! WHERE do you think that $$ came from? From the "Stimulas" program! They are just BORROWING from that pot...money we DONT have!..OH wait..we will just print more! These "clunkers"..are the low end cars the poor or the kid with a part time job needs!! Now those are off the market for those people...and where do those cars go??...crushed and off to CHINA!! We are just pulling sales for the dealers now...short term fix...next year what incentive will there be to buy? And guess who will pay for this "program"?? Good for the person who needs a trade up..but bad for everyone else! FLAG THIS OBAMMA!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 How are we to come to a solution to our healthcare issues with a bunch of middle aged loudmouthed women shouting and acting like 3 year olds. These people have no manners and not much in the way of intelligence either. The administration has already come up with one big home run...the cash for clunkers program is very popular and is helping the U.S. economy. While I am generally not a fan of this type of subsidy I must say it is a success considering the $1 b spent compared to $700 + billion given to banks. The first step in fixing our HC problem is realizing there is a problem. Why don't those on the right want to part of the solution rather than part of the problem? Please do explain. Couple points here Ace. First of all why is it that the liberals are trying to force this through and they are not listening to the American people? How about you please explain this to us. I am not a fan of nbc news, however last night nbc nightly news had a poll on that said that 74 percent of the American people do NOT want this nationalized healthcare program. Why can't these lawmakers and this administration listen to the American people. Why is it so important to shove this through so fast without giving people including our representatives the time to learn what is involved in this legislation. Far as the comment on the moms out there, you had better be careful on making generalizations like this. Last I checked this country we did still have the right to free speech, I am sure if someone did a little looking back they could/would find some things that some of those intelligent educated lawmakers who are serving you right now probably even some clips on how they have acted and said things that could be construed as being very childish. People do act/react with emotion that is part of life, reality. As far as the cash for clunkers program, think you are wrong there too. That is just slight of hand and is really not resolving the real problems, but may well be possibly compounding the problems that future generations(my kids) will face. Nothing wrong with discussing/debating the opposite side of an issue, but please explain how this administration can think they know what is better for us and have such a high percentage(overwhelming majority) of citizens who disagree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Couple points here Ace. First of all why is it that the liberals are trying to force this through and they are not listening to the American people? How about you please explain this to us. I am not a fan of nbc news, however last night nbc nightly news had a poll on that said that 74 percent of the American people do NOT want this nationalized healthcare program. Why can't these lawmakers and this administration listen to the American people. Why is it so important to shove this through so fast without giving people including our representatives the time to learn what is involved in this legislation. Far as the comment on the moms out there, you had better be careful on making generalizations like this. Last I checked this country we did still have the right to free speech, I am sure if someone did a little looking back they could/would find some things that some of those intelligent educated lawmakers who are serving you right now probably even some clips on how they have acted and said things that could be construed as being very childish. People do act/react with emotion that is part of life, reality. As far as the cash for clunkers program, think you are wrong there too. That is just slight of hand and is really not resolving the real problems, but may well be possibly compounding the problems that future generations(my kids) will face. Nothing wrong with discussing/debating the opposite side of an issue, but please explain how this administration can think they know what is better for us and have such a high percentage(overwhelming majority) of citizens who disagree with them. I could only wish I could get my point across as good as William. I couldn't agree more. Why should I, someone who has had a job since I turned 15, (38 now) and being a productive member of society, pay for someone that has done NONE of the above? Sorry, I work to take care of ME and my kids, not some illegal immigrant or welfare case. Call me selfish or whatever, but that's what having a job is all about, I don't WANT nor need to have to depend on the gov't for anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted August 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well just to let you know saw on face book last night that the re-election polls right now Obama would lose by a 4-1 Margin. Cash for clunkers makes no sense. Taking cars off the road that kids could drive. To make better gas mileage? WHy you might ask well its so they can raise the prices of gas more. The right should not accept the new Obamacare program, it makes no sense and is just going to spend more money that we don't have. Since Obama took office he has doubled our debt. How about the guy on CNN last night rambling Right wing supporters are getting violent at town hall meetings. Sorry for the Ramblings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted August 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Oh yeah thats right, he thinks HealthCare reform is more important than Immigration reform. Well since its the Illegal's getting the Health Care he would. I'm so sick of this. Have a good day Ya'all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I could only wish I could get my point across as good as William. I couldn't agree more. Why should I, someone who has had a job since I turned 15, (38 now) and being a productive member of society, pay for someone that has done NONE of the above? Sorry, I work to take care of ME and my kids, not some illegal immigrant or welfare case. Call me selfish or whatever, but that's what having a job is all about, I don't WANT nor need to have to depend on the gov't for anything All of you keep saying...give some money to the average guy. Well the cash for clunkers did that while also helping the US auto industry the really needed the boost. As for healthcare it is only becouse of the government that the system that we currently have today. Employers and employees do not have to pay taxes on HC provided. The government not collecting taxes on this has created a system that incents employers to offer HC benifits as a perk to work for them. In return for not being taxed employers have to agree to a few rules...namely not exluding people for preexisiting conditions and not excluding high pay employees. Now the reforms that will likely be proposed will build of the success and spirit of the current employer based system and try to get affordable HC available even to those that must go out and buy it on their own (ie. self employed, unemployed under 65, ect). I think what you fail to understand it that there is no discussing here to throw out the current system and to put in a "one payer system". I am certainly not for a one payer system but that is not what democrats are proposing at all. And sure...I agree that 74% of Americans don't want the system changed...that is probalby b/c of the 300 million or so Americans only 50 mm are uninsured (about 15%). What that means is that those 15% probably want something changed so that they can get affordable coverage for thier families (they make to much to qualify for medicaid and arne't old enough for medicare) and then there are about 10% of Americans who are smart enough the realize that there is a better way. The remaining 74% are happy that they have coverage and don't want to see a change mostly b/c of all the misinformation that is being spread by the right. However, if they realized that the current system is unsustainable and that reforms are nesecarry to pull cost out of they system then perhaps they would change their mind. Good luck. Man there is some bad spelling in there...however...you get the point. Goodnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 If you're not for a one payer system I guess you didn't listen to Obama during the campaign. He is. The current bill will accomplish that even though it doesn't specifically state that. Cash for clunkers will get approximately 700,000 cheap used cars out off the market. If they continue to fund it used car prices will climb and you'll be forced to by new or take the bus. My mom, who drank the Kool Aid by the way, is appalled at the program. The uninsured are uninsured but not prevented from getting health care. I see it whenever I go to the doctor. I pay they don't. Most are illegals from the looks of them. Our friends that lost their jobs are using the Access Program here in Arizona to get free healthcare. No one is left out. The new system will just allow the government to take more money and ration the care. Wake up. And yes your spelling is awful. When you people come to planet earth you should learn our language! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 All of you keep saying...give some money to the average guy. Well the cash for clunkers did that while also helping the US auto industry the really needed the boost. As for healthcare it is only becouse of the government that the system that we currently have today. Employers and employees do not have to pay taxes on HC provided. The government not collecting taxes on this has created a system that incents employers to offer HC benifits as a perk to work for them. In return for not being taxed employers have to agree to a few rules...namely not exluding people for preexisiting conditions and not excluding high pay employees. Now the reforms that will likely be proposed will build of the success and spirit of the current employer based system and try to get affordable HC available even to those that must go out and buy it on their own (ie. self employed, unemployed under 65, ect). I think what you fail to understand it that there is no discussing here to throw out the current system and to put in a "one payer system". I am certainly not for a one payer system but that is not what democrats are proposing at all. And sure...I agree that 74% of Americans don't want the system changed...that is probalby b/c of the 300 million or so Americans only 50 mm are uninsured (about 15%). What that means is that those 15% probably want something changed so that they can get affordable coverage for thier families (they make to much to qualify for medicaid and arne't old enough for medicare) and then there are about 10% of Americans who are smart enough the realize that there is a better way. The remaining 74% are happy that they have coverage and don't want to see a change mostly b/c of all the misinformation that is being spread by the right. However, if they realized that the current system is unsustainable and that reforms are nesecarry to pull cost out of they system then perhaps they would change their mind. Good luck. Man there is some bad spelling in there...however...you get the point. Goodnight. Misinformation? The overwhelming majority in this country are ignorant, is that what the left really is making you believe? So I take it you have read the 1000 pages in this health care proposal and you are confident that your leader is after what is best for us all. You really think it is right to attempt to "shut up" those folks who oppose the legislation you are trying to force, and do you really believe that so many millions of people in this country are going to let the government take away their right to express their opinions on something they clearly do not want? Health care may not be taxed, why should it be? The government should be able to generate enough revenue without adding more taxes on those folks barely making it who are also picking up the tabs of the deadbeats who already get free benes. You really want to tack more on them? The government needs trimmed down, not made bigger, that is a big part of the problem Ace. Way too much waste and wasteful spending. Just heard the other day how congress had to get some new jets, apparently the old ones were not good enough. Nice example they set for the failing businesses out there by spending what they don't have to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Without going into minute detail, here's some of the reasons I oppose Obamacare: First, don't confuse health CARE with health INSURANCE. Health CARE for emergency situations is currently available to everyone, regardless of ability to pay. Under Obamacare health INSURANCE will be mandatory. You have no choice. When I was much younger I chose to opt out of the health insurance my employer offered because I would rather have the extra $50 in my paycheck. That option goes away. Under Obamacare you will not be allowed to go outside your state of residence to shop for health insurance. This will mean less competition and higher prices, which will in turn drive more people onto the government run plan. Under Obamacare you can keep your existing plan as long as you remain eligible for it, i.e if you stay in the same job or can afford to continue paying the premiums. If you lose your job or can't pay the premiums, you're forced to go on the government run system and you will not have the option to leave it if/when you find another job. That's right, once you're enrolled in the government run plan, you're there for life (which may not be that long after all). Under Obamacare every person in the U.S., even those here illegally, will be covered by health insurance. And for those here illegally, the insurance will be paid by the taxpayers. Of course the illegals don't pay much if any taxes, so essentially their insurance is free. All the more reason for our neighbors to the south to pack up and head north. Under Obamacare, there will be committee decisions made about who qualifies for the more expensive treatments and procedures. This leads to a very real possibility that the old and those with permanent disabilities will be denied care, because there is no realistic chance for their underlying conditions to improve. Under Obamacare abortion on demand will be available at taxpayer expense. And, as the bill is currently written all doctors, even those morally opposed to abortion, will be forced to offer abortion procedures or risk losing their Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare accreditation. And this is the worst problem, in my opinion... Under Obamacare, your company can voluntarily (and legally) drop all insurance coverage for it's employees and instead substitute a payroll tax and force all employees onto the government run plan. And I think we will see this happening in many, many cases. After all, why would a company continue to pay more and endure more management costs for health insurance when they can shift the burden back onto the employees themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I think Ace is Misguided. Is all I can say. I might actually be appalled at his words. He is completel off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I think Ace is Misguided. Is all I can say. I might actually be appalled at his words. He is completel off. That seems to be the general consensus here. I am curiuos though Ace, what happened to your Sportsman for Obammy sig??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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