HealthCare

[de_ballew]

This is a YouTube video that was made of US Rep. Tom Price-6th Dist. on Wednesday. Tom is a member of the House Healthcare Committee, and the video was shot in the Wed. Committee meeting.

[johnf]

Sad that his opinion will be ignored or made fun of by the left.

[wtnhunt]

Mr. Price is right on. the majority of folks out there do not want this and the dems have to know it.

The fact that Price asked the chairman point blank if he wanted this program for his kids and grandkids was great. What in the world are these liberals thinking, surely some of them have to believe that this is not what the people in this country needs, nor is it what we want.

[jokostel]

Amen to that.... if they really want to do something with money to boost the economy in this country, take the $$ back from the banks, and shut down the stimulus plan in it's tracks.

Send every taxpayer in the US a 30k dollar check.

Pay off your bills,buy a truck whatever you want to do.

That would fix the country overnight.

Too bad they aren't about fixing anything.... execpt fixing the fact that the govt isn't in control of as much as they would like it to be.

[de_ballew]

Here is our healthcare future. A must see video. A bit long, but very good.

[AceArcher]

Could you explain your math on the 30k comment?

[wtnhunt]

Could you explain your math on the 30k comment?

lol. Why not Ace. How many actual taxpayers are contributing, say maybe a 100 million? 30,000x100,000,000=3,000,000,000.

The way this admin is throwing money around like our kids have no future, what is a few more billion in debt. If it stimulates the economy, also generating revenue, and folks start spending again that may not be such a bad idea to give a chunk of money back to people who have worked and supported this country, does not seem as though the piddly few dollars a week has done so much in the way of picking up the economy.

[Gator]

Could you explain your math on the 30k comment?

Definition of stimulus: stimulation: any stimulating information or event; acts to arouse action

Easy math, even for a dumb redneck like myself. How much money has been given out already as "stimulus" money? Quite a bit actually, but to who? Not the PEOPLE but to corporations. Now, you take that "stimulus" money and give it to the people, and watch them spend it, like has been said, on house payment, CC debt, buying a new car. I just wonder had that happened, where would the economy be today? The likes of the banks, GM, Dodge, and Ford would not be in as bad a situation as they are at the moment, you can bet on that

[Ravin R10 man]

If this "healthcare" is so good....WHY do the House and Senate have the option to opt out? YET..the working class do NOT have any alternative?

Something "FISHY" here!:fish:

Go ahead..report me to OBUMMA!

[stevebeilgard]

the washington crowd is getting an earfull at their rallies, as of right now. they may have a new attitude when they go back to work in a few weeks.

[AceArcher]

30,000 x 100,000,000 is 3 trillion not billion. Easy math for this intelligent redneck.

[wtnhunt]

lol. Why not Ace. How many actual taxpayers are contributing, say maybe a 100 million? 30,000x100,000,000=3,000,000,000.

The way this admin is throwing money around like our kids have no future, what is a few more billion in debt. If it stimulates the economy, also generating revenue, and folks start spending again that may not be such a bad idea to give a chunk of money back to people who have worked and supported this country, does not seem as though the piddly few dollars a week has done so much in the way of picking up the economy.

Should have been 12 zeros there. Too early,:yawn: not enough coffee in me yet, must missed a comma and some zeros. lol.

30,000 x 100,000,000 is 3 trillion not billion. Easy math for this intelligent redneck.

Billion, trillion, point is that it would do more for the economy than what they have done in the past with throwing money away. They gave banks nearly a trillion and where are we now, right back to giving more money away, where does it end.

[de_ballew]

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[The_Kat]

Ace,

It's people like you who I'd love to do nothing more than slap across the face. I surely figured you would have began to wake up like alot of the obama supporters. Change is coming, and americans don't want Obama or his stupid administrations change! This healthcare is nothing but the government taking one more step into controlling our lives. If the conservatives are so wrong here, why is this causing a national uproar unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime???? The answer is simple.....it's because it goes against AMERICAN values, and the freedoms we enjoy as americans. THE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING YOU WHAT AND HOW YOUR WILL BE TREATED MEDICALLY! How is this ok??? Not to mention the OUTRAGEOUS costs of it all. I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit here and agree with any of it.....your throwing the lives of our future children, and my son in the dump. They'll be paying for this their entire lives.

It's BS, and any American knows it. I dare say that anyone who supports this is anti american.....and yes that includes you Ace! :angry:

[johnf]

Kat you are exactly right.

This bill has less to do with medical care and a LOT MORE about controlling our lives.

This thing would put most insurance companies out of business, change state laws and force us to support, through our taxes, things that we don't agree to.

The government can't afford Medicare how the heck are they going to pay for the whole country? They aren't.

[DocMort]

I agree with you all. ACE is anti-american. Obammer and his admin. are anti american send them to gitmo,

[hoosierhunter]

This govt plan won't be passed the way it stands flat out. I work in the insurance industry and believe me that we are paying lobbyists a ton of money, millions, to stop this deal...a quick fact for you all...

Did you know that once you go on the current proposed plan from the govt that you are NEVER allowed to return to private insurance?

As for the insurance industry stance we have no problem competing against the govt with health insurance we just don't feel the current proposal is a fair competition. We look at it like this...

We have 3 ways of mailing information..UPS, FedEx and the Postal Service. You tell me which one of the 3 is the most screwed up? Oh yeah and which one does the govt run?

[The_Kat]

18% support........if it passes, you know something is going on. Any government that calls it's VERY citizens terrorists, nazis, KKK members, social criminals, and mobsters for simply voicing concern is not one worth having. It's called democracy and MAJORITY rules........obama care is out!

Obama is stumbling everyday and Palin is working him and his administration over. I love it!

[AceArcher]

I suppose you meant a figurative "slap" which I am fine with if you have your facts striaght. Here is are a couple "slaps in the face", figurativly of course that might help you understand this stuff a little better. Argueing for arguments sake get us now where real fast. We must try to get some better system so that 20% year-over-year HC inflation ceases to exist.

• The current employer based HC system only exists due to economic incentives given to employers...they don't pay tax and neither do employees on HC premiums or self insured HC costs.
  
• In return for this perk. Employers must agree to except all employees into their HC plans regardless or pre-existing HC conditions. They also can't discriminate in hireing based on age, sex or your medical conditions.
  
• Just think how hard it would be to get a job if part of the interview was a physical. Here are some of the people I wouldn't hire or would pay less. Women (babies are expensive and they get off work), Smokers, those who are overwieght, Men over 50 ect...I think you get the point here.
  
• The current employer based system...Aetna, BCBS, Cigna, United Health ect. Do a pretty good job at restricting care and driving lower costs from providors.
  
• For those who are self employed, small businesses with less that 25 or so employees and those who don't work and are inelgible for M-care & M-caid, health insurance/HC is very expenisve if they have any type of pre-existing medical condition. Why...becouse in the self-pay market they can look at your medical history.
  
• The proppsals that are going to come out are to A) build off the success of the employer based system, B) to try to lower overall HC costs and C) offer affordable hc coverage to those 46mm Americans who are currently able to afford or refuse to pay for coverage.
  
• Currently nearly 30% of Americans are enrolled government funded HC programs. Seems that the government is rather "involved" already.
  

Ultimalty not doing something is not fiscal conservatism...why you ask? B/c the costs get paid anyway and usally after the uninsured individual b/c to sick or has a medical emergency...either way..they still can't pay and either the governemnt pics up the tab or private insurers pay in the form of higher rates. Who ends up losing for not insuring these people in the first place????

You and I in the form of higher taxes or lower wages. You pick your poison but for me...it makes sense to get these people HC from the beginning so they can get preventative care they can pay for and then hopefully prevent the the major catastrophic HC events.

The plan will give an option for small business and the self employed they just don't have today...not much will change (if anything) for most Americans that are currently on employer covered plans.

[AceArcher]

I just read a few of these post more closely and it sort of got me going a little bit. However, as Abe Lincoln once said....

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts."

So I am not going to get down in the mud with you all. Just going to try to educate you a bit.

[wtnhunt]

I suppose you meant a figurative "slap" which I am fine with if you have your facts striaght. Here is are a couple "slaps in the face", figurativly of course that might help you understand this stuff a little better. Argueing for arguments sake get us now where real fast. We must try to get some better system so that 20% year-over-year HC inflation ceases to exist.

• The current employer based HC system only exists due to economic incentives given to employers...they don't pay tax and neither do employees on HC premiums or self insured HC costs.
  
• In return for this perk. Employers must agree to except all employees into their HC plans regardless or pre-existing HC conditions. They also can't discriminate in hireing based on age, sex or your medical conditions.
  
• Just think how hard it would be to get a job if part of the interview was a physical. Here are some of the people I wouldn't hire or would pay less. Women (babies are expensive and they get off work), Smokers, those who are overwieght, Men over 50 ect...I think you get the point here.
  
• The current employer based system...Aetna, BCBS, Cigna, United Health ect. Do a pretty good job at restricting care and driving lower costs from providors.
  
• For those who are self employed, small businesses with less that 25 or so employees and those who don't work and are inelgible for M-care & M-caid, health insurance/HC is very expenisve if they have any type of pre-existing medical condition. Why...becouse in the self-pay market they can look at your medical history.
  
• The proppsals that are going to come out are to A) build off the success of the employer based system, B) to try to lower overall HC costs and C) offer affordable hc coverage to those 46mm Americans who are currently able to afford or refuse to pay for coverage.
  
• Currently nearly 30% of Americans are enrolled government funded HC programs. Seems that the government is rather "involved" already.
  

Ultimalty not doing something is not fiscal conservatism...why you ask? B/c the costs get paid anyway and usally after the uninsured individual b/c to sick or has a medical emergency...either way..they still can't pay and either the governemnt pics up the tab or private insurers pay in the form of higher rates. Who ends up losing for not insuring these people in the first place????

You and I in the form of higher taxes or lower wages. You pick your poison but for me...it makes sense to get these people HC from the beginning so they can get preventative care they can pay for and then hopefully prevent the the major catastrophic HC events.

The plan will give an option for small business and the self employed they just don't have today...not much will change (if anything) for most Americans that are currently on employer covered plans.

Did you know Ace, that some state governments do in fact use those very insurance companies for their state employees? What do you think will happen under a government run plan for the citizens? My wife worked for the state of Tennessee for a good while and the state plan was a blue cross blue shield plan which was pretty mediocre. Not only that, it cost us a pretty good chunk for our part that we were required to pay.

Best as I can remember last year we paid in close to $8000 for health care premiums, and if I am remembering correctly that money was not pretaxed. In other words that did not come off of what was considered as income, so tax was paid on that money as earned income. If you are self employed your health care premiums you paid are tax exempt.

Not sure why you are suggesting that those people who are working to survive now should be paying more tax on health care and health care benefits? Do you think we don't already pay enough taxes? Do you think those folks who are living off the system can afford to pay taxes on health care or do you even realize that what you are suggesting on paying tax on health care would hit them too. Of course those folks won't pay any more, who picks it up and how does that hit those folks who are already sinking. What we have here is more folks ending up reliant on the government, a shrinking middle(working) class. That lends way to leading us yet closer to socialism. Might with an open mind re read back what is posted and look at history and at what is taking place right now at this very point in time in this country.

I just read a few of these post more closely and it sort of got me going a little bit. However, as Abe Lincoln once said....

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts."

So I am not going to get down in the mud with you all. Just going to try to educate you a bit.

You want to talk facts, look at one very simple fact, the American people as a majority do not want this and do not approve of this administration or this health care plan/system they are wanting to shove on us. That is a real fact that even NBC and ABC are airing. Fact is the Obama administration is so frustrated they are putting out comments about citizens of this country and labeling those who oppose their plan(which ironically is the majority of people in this country). There are even calls by leading liberals to "shut up" or silence people who are speaking out, since when in our nation's history has there been such contempt by the government in impeding our right to free speech? If that is not crying out socialism, I don't know what is.

Another fact, those folks who are pushing for this health care plan do not want it for themselves, what does that tell you? If it is not good enough for them why should private citizens want it?

I do agree with you on one thing here Ace and that is that we should keep this as civil as possible, so all or any who might consider posting can take this as a reminder to keep on track without any suggestions of or personal attacks language or otherwise.

While I do have my own views I try to remain as unbiased as possible for sake of fair debate. My comments and views here are my own and reflect my own personal thoughts and are not necessarily those of RT.

[hoosierhunter]

We must try to get some better system so that 20% year-over-year HC inflation ceases to exist.

• The current employer based HC system only exists due to economic incentives given to employers...they don't pay tax and neither do employees on HC premiums or self insured HC costs..
  
• The current employer based system...Aetna, BCBS, Cigna, United Health ect. Do a pretty good job at restricting care and driving lower costs from providors.
  
• For those who are self employed, small businesses with less that 25 or so employees and those who don't work and are inelgible for M-care & M-caid, health insurance/HC is very expenisve if they have any type of pre-existing medical condition. Why...becouse in the self-pay market they can look at your medical history.
  
• The proppsals that are going to come out are to A) build off the success of the employer based system, B) to try to lower overall HC costs and C) offer affordable hc coverage to those 46mm Americans who are currently able to afford or refuse to pay for coverage.
  
• Currently nearly 30% of Americans are enrolled government funded HC programs. Seems that the government is rather "involved" already.
  

You and I in the form of higher taxes or lower wages. You pick your poison but for me...it makes sense to get these people HC from the beginning so they can get preventative care they can pay for and then hopefully prevent the the major catastrophic HC events.

The plan will give an option for small business and the self employed they just don't have today...not much will change (if anything) for most Americans that are currently on employer covered plans.

Ace-I sell insurance and here's a few things to think about..

1. once you go on the govt plan you can NEVER go back...Explain to me how's that's compeition for the better..

2. Medical inflation is not 20% on average inflation has been about 10% over the past 8 years. Your premiums go up more than that for two reasons. one the insurance company will make their 10% and second it's simple dollars in versus dollars out..If we lose money on you we will penalize you for it.....

3. Not all companies have their employees adhereing to tax code and paying with pre-tax dollars. In fact I would argue that nearly 50% don't do it this way.....

4.You are exactly right those companies you named above are famous for not paying health claims. The reason being they are trying to make a profit on health care so they cut coverages out. FYI health care is the least profitable line of business for most multiline insurance companies....

5. using 25 ee's as a bar is incorrect. Every company, regardless of size, is judged based upon current health conditions. The reason small ee's seem to pay more is because they don't have enough healthy people to offset the sick people..Again dollars in versus dollars out.

6. Out of the 46 million without health insurance in the US....How many really and truly don't have it b/c they can't afford it? We only hear them complain. We don't hear the guy who just doesn't want it complaining.....food for thought....

7.The 30% enrolled in govt funded health care....So that's Medicare, Medicaid, and State run programs......hmm.....

8.Regardless if you give ppl preventative care services only approx 10% currently use this benefit that already have it!! I know I have to remind my clients everyday to take advantage of it and even when I do most don't care enough to do it.....

Ace your points are good, but you are missing my first point....

I will compete against the govt all day. Just make it a fair competition. Don't say once they join your plan then you can never leave......

Also this is just another example of socialism in our current govt.

They took over banks and the auto market.....

Now they want insurance......

What's next.....

People have to put the pieces together for god sakes...Yes govt before was messed up, but at least they didn't try to run our lives and our businesses.....

Anybody seen the Manchurain Candidate?

[stevebeilgard]

Kat you are exactly right.

This bill has less to do with medical care and a LOT MORE about controlling our lives.

This thing would put most insurance companies out of business, change state laws and force us to support, through our taxes, things that we don't agree to.

The government can't afford Medicare how the heck are they going to pay for the whole country? They aren't.

i agree fully, and i'm just a part of the 82% of americans who are against this plan. the only thing i like about this plan is the part where all those dems who vote for it will be voted out of office. harry reed is already 22 points behind an unnamed opponent for 2010. how funny is that?:hammer1: