buckee Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) It's Luke's choice. If he wants to leave over a disagreement or bad words with another member, then he should be able to leave. It doesn't matter what the disagreement was or what was said. The entire forums shouldn't be brought into an argument to determine who's right or wrong. I'm speaking from experience here. I'm pretty sure that there are several forum members here that think I am a terrible person just because of one disagreement that caused another forum member to leave or not be as active as before. Bottom line. What's said between PM's is between the sender and the receiver. If it can't be labled as harrasment, then its a simple disagreement and should be kept private. It was all done through PMs but It wasn't a disagreement, it was Harassment aimed directly at Luke to dig deep and hurt him. It was spiteful and meant only to hurt him. He didn't report it to any mods because Luke isn't that kind of a guy, and didn't want to make a big scene. If that is how they really feel about Luke, then I don't blame Luke for leaving. If anyone thinks I am out of line, just say so. I for one think of all my friends on here as real, feeling people, not some web icon, and I for one stick up for my friends. Edited September 1, 2009 by buckee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 It was all done through PMs but It wasn't a disagreement, it was Harassment aimed directly at Luke to dig deep and hurt him. It was spiteful and meant only to hurt him. He didn't report it to any mods because Luke isn't that kind of a guy, and didn't want to make a big scene. If that is how they really feel about Luke, then I don't blame Luke for leaving. If anyone thinks I am out of line, just say so. I for one think of all my friends on here as real, feeling people, not some web icon, and I for one stick up for my friends. I can't agree or disagree with ya cause I don't know the story at all. My only point is that this originated between two people, or maybe a few more people and should be kept private. Theres no need in dragging forum members who are not involved into a fight between folks who are arguing. You say it was harrassment and that it wasn't reported cause Luke isn't that kind of a guy. Then I'd venture as far to say that Luke also isn't the kind of guy who wants to have an open arguement about he said/ she said type stuff in the open forum to get a huge ruckus started. Bottom line here....feelings get hurt everyday. Thats a fact of life. Steve of all people you and I have said hurtful things to each other, yet we kept it private and settled it amongst ourselves....and thats how this should be handled. Ya see my point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) No ..because I'm PO'd right now. Maybe tomorrow, but this is a bit different that just disagreeing strongly on things like you and I have. Hey, I still luv ya though Kyle Hey, members wanted to know why Luke left, and I'm telling you it is because he was not just insulted, but accused and made to feel like so many others felt the same as the PMer/PMers do about his character. It was said to hurt not to discuss. Edited September 1, 2009 by buckee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt or be Hunted Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I can't agree or disagree with ya cause I don't know the story at all. My only point is that this originated between two people, or maybe a few more people and should be kept private. Theres no need in dragging forum members who are not involved into a fight between folks who are arguing. You say it was harrassment and that it wasn't reported cause Luke isn't that kind of a guy. Then I'd venture as far to say that Luke also isn't the kind of guy who wants to have an open arguement about he said/ she said type stuff in the open forum to get a huge ruckus started. Bottom line here....feelings get hurt everyday. Thats a fact of life. Steve of all people you and I have said hurtful things to each other, yet we kept it private and settled it amongst ourselves....and thats how this should be handled. Ya see my point? i kinda see what your saying kyle. but what i don't get is why would someone do stuff like this in the first place?. i mean like yall said if the person had something to say himself/herself should do it my PM or say nothing at all. i mean we are all family on here come on. this gets me so mad. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 i see what your saying kyle. but what i don't get is why would someone do stuff like this in the first place?. i mean like yall said if the person had something to say himself/herself should do it my PM or say nothing at all. i mean we are all family on here come on. this gets me so mad. :angry: I'm pretty sure the person did do it by private message just like everyone else has been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt or be Hunted Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 ok but now let me ask this. why the crap did they do it in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 i kinda see what your saying kyle. but what i don't get is why would someone do stuff like this in the first place?. i mean like yall said if the person had something to say himself/herself should do it my PM or say nothing at all. i mean we are all family on here come on. this gets me so mad. :angry: Jeremy bud, if your going to rant, read all the posts prior to the one you quote first lol. If you would have done so, you would know that the problem was sent all through pm's.:hammer1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt or be Hunted Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Jeremy bud, if your going to rant, read all the posts prior to the one you quote first lol. If you would have done so, you would know that the problem was sent all through pm's.:hammer1: ill have to re read at all i guess. it just looked like it said out there in the wide open. my bad sorry sorry sorry. plz forgive me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) People come and go I left for about a year or a little longer and am back. I kept in touch with people around the forum that were close friends other than that not so much. If you leave from getting mad thats dumb. If its like steve said then man who ever done it they need out of here more than anyone else. BTW I hate to see you guys leave. You were good people and good to the boards. Edited September 1, 2009 by arrow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) Duh! Todd,.........everybody knows Hoyt wins hands down! :hammer1::D:D Yeah Todd!! Duh!:clown::clown::clown: I know that's why I SHOOT a HOYT :D:D:D so did Luke He knew Edited September 1, 2009 by toddyboman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I talked to Luke and right now he just needs some cooling off time. I believe he will be back. I suggested he use the IGNORE USER button when he does! Wont be the first time it's been done on this user either!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 If someone is abusive in any way shape or form they should be dealt with. Told to straighten up and fly right or suffer the consequnces. There has been more than one occasion were a member in good standing was harrassed, ridiculed or threatened on this website. Time to deal with those who break the rules? I have a few questions on some of those past incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sluggunner Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 That is sad. Some of the major of the reasons why I keep coming to this site are our common interests and the civility of those on the site. I feel real bad that good people are being felt shunned and leave here. I always brag that this is the best site on the web and that is because of the people in here. I hope we can all ralley the troups and keep it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Man, don't know how I overlooked this thread. Shame we lose members, sure would not have expected Luke to ever leave. Also have to agree with what Chris said, if a member is harassing another member through pm's a mod should be notified. After talking to Luke today, I now realize why he left this place, and I can't say I blame him. I'm not going to embarrass Luke or anyone any further by telling everyone why he left, but when someone says something to you that is just sheer crap, and said for one purpose only (to hurt), then yeah, I can't blame him. Luke has been a wonderful friend of mine for years now, whom I have had the pleasure of meeting in person twice now. He didn't deserve those spiteful, jealous comments you made (and you know who you are) any more than any other good standing, long time member in here. You folks, and you know who you are, owe him an apology, and if you're not man enough, then maybe you're the ones that should leave the forums. There, I've said my peace, now you can PM me too, and call me names. :mad::angry: After going back and seeing this, got a feeling I probably know what this is about and how it started and it was the result of what I viewed as a joke in the beginning. If it is what I think it is that initiated this, Luke probably should get on here and let a mod know. If what was exchanged in pm's was worse than what was posted in the open forums, that should be brought forward for mods to discuss. Sure it is Luke's decision, but if there is someone here who thinks they can get away with intimidating or harassing other users that person/persons needs to be dealt with accordingly so they do not continue to cross the line with other members in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerforged Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I have kept quiet on this because I am a "newbie" here, but after reading through the entire thread I feel I just have to say what I gotta say. Without knowing the details of what was said by whom, I understand Dakota's and Steve's anger over a fellow forum member being put in a position of feeling that they were no longer welcome because of 1 person or persons maliciousness. I understand as well where Kat is coming from in not wanting to make this a forum wide event. I have been "involved" in many forums for many years and have never felt as at home as I do here. I am deeply saddened that we have lost 2 great contributing members of our "Family" because some malcontent saw a chance to poke a stick at another member. It sounds as if this was not any good natured ribbing that most of us deal with on a daily basis but a case of a specific attack on a member's character. If that is the case then it should have been brought to the attention of the Mods and dealt with, I know Luke is not one to draw attention to this sort of thing and I admire him for this but at the same time if this is a pattern with his attacker then his attacker needs to be dealt with before they choose another target. Rant mode off, thanks for letting me ramble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews4life Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I hate to see things go this way. I hope everything can be worked out. It's never good to lose such vital members of the realtree community. I'm not a very avid poster but I read everyday for hrs at a time and i would hate to see Luke go. I didn't even really know his name until now, all I knew was his screename, but I enjoyed reading his post. No matter what, when you get this many ppl and ideas in one place there is going to be conflict, but hopefully it can be worked out or actions can be taken if it indeed went down as buckee said. This place has one of the most friendly atmosphers and is the most informative hunting forum on the web and with every person lost, esp some as valuable as Luke, we as members could be missing out on that one little piece of the puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybear Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Most camps I've been around, someone gets hurt by a malfunctioning "tool", we got rid of it before someone else got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 LMAO....this is sad. I know of people on this forum that have done MUCH more than just send an angry PM and they're still here. So those of you that think the other person involved should be dealt with are crazy. The other member has been here forever and isn't just a fly by night member. He's been here longer than me and most others. I stick up for my friends too, Steve and will gladly defend his right to express his opinion via a PM to anyone he wants to. I personally know that this conversation was no more than two PM's and has been over and done with for a while now. Comments were made and feelings were hurt. Now its over. It should be between the two that had the disagreement. Period. Sometimes people just don't get along. It's life. But there's no way that this can be considered harassment since it hasn't been a continuing deal. It's over. I'm sorry that Luke felt he needed to leave because of it, but that's his perogative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 LMAO....this is sad. I know of people on this forum that have done MUCH more than just send an angry PM and they're still here. So those of you that think the other person involved should be dealt with are crazy. The other member has been here forever and isn't just a fly by night member. He's been here longer than me and most others. I stick up for my friends too, Steve and will gladly defend his right to express his opinion via a PM to anyone he wants to. I personally know that this conversation was no more than two PM's and has been over and done with for a while now. Comments were made and feelings were hurt. Now its over. It should be between the two that had the disagreement. Period. Sometimes people just don't get along. It's life. But there's no way that this can be considered harassment since it hasn't been a continuing deal. It's over. I'm sorry that Luke felt he needed to leave because of it, but that's his perogative. Pretty well nailed down what I suspected right there Kevin. Not saying anyone necessarily needs dealt with, however if someone crossed the line or if it is questionable a mod does probably need to be let know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Take a deep breath y'all and man up. (or woman up in muggs' case). Deer season starts soon and cooler heads will prevail. There's no banning warranted here and calling for them is uncalled for IMHO. This happens once or twice every year, and this too shall pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 In my best deep narrorator voice, "Like sands through the hour glass, these are the days of our lives......" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 In my best deep narrorator voice, "Like sands through the hour glass, these are the days of our lives......" LMBO....:D:D:D:D I was thinking the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Comments were made and feelings were hurt. Now its over. It should be between the two that had the disagreement. Period. Sometimes people just don't get along. It's life. But there's no way that this can be considered harassment since it hasn't been a continuing deal. It's over. I'm sorry that Luke felt he needed to leave because of it, but that's his perogative. If this is about what it appears to be, think I would have to agree with Kevin here. What was exchanged between two members in private from what I am aware of was nothing harassing or abusive. May have been some feelings hurt as a result of things taken the wrong way in a post and maybe some things said deliberately to be hurtful. If there was an issue it should have been brought to mods rather than being brought up in here. Luke has not made an issue of this but instead has chosen to put this past him and let it go and move on, think everyone else should probably do the same. Like Kevin says everyone is not going to get along, anyone who has two or more kids knows this. Take a deep breath y'all and man up. (or woman up in muggs' case). Deer season starts soon and cooler heads will prevail. There's no banning warranted here and calling for them is uncalled for IMHO. This happens once or twice every year, and this too shall pass. Yep, don't think from what I have seen that banning is warranted either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 No, a banning my not be in order,but some some deep felt apologies should be, along with some anger management classes and a little thoughtful self evaluation on what was said, and why. I'm not saying any more in the open forums, and I am not going to take it upon myself to PM these people to tell them what I think. I'm done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 To think all of this started from one post by one person. *cough* *cough*............Dakota. :D j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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