wtnhunt Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Wish they would get more aggressive here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! They increased our limit to 10 antlerless deer last year - it used to be three, then six - and want to raise it up to 12 or 15 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! [ QUOTE ] They increased our limit to 10 antlerless deer last year - it used to be three, then six - and want to raise it up to 12 or 15 next year. [/ QUOTE ] 10 !!!, I would love that here, we have a 4 buck limit here, which I guess is good compared to other states, the only problem is that the most bucks I have seen in a season is 1, not counting ones that other guys have shot. I saw one doe last year and I shot her, but, on average I see more doe's, just like everyone else I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmunster Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! This is just one of many laws that have been proposed to increase the harvest in Iowa. Most involve increasing the non-resident either sex tag cap by anywhere from 2000 tags to unlimited tags. IMO the earn a buck program isn't needed in Iowa. Iowa hunters have answered the call and have killed a lot more does in the last 3 or 4 years since they have been allowing extra antlerless tags. 2003- 2004 was the first time ever that more does were killed than bucks in Iowa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! Not saying I would do it or anything, but how would they know if you shot a doe before a buck. i mean sure they would first only sell you a doe only sex tag but then you could just go back and say you filled thattag and get an any sex tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next ye [ QUOTE ] This is just one of many laws that have been proposed to increase the harvest in Iowa. Most involve increasing the non-resident either sex tag cap by anywhere from 2000 tags to unlimited tags. IMO the earn a buck program isn't needed in Iowa. Iowa hunters have answered the call and have killed a lot more does in the last 3 or 4 years since they have been allowing extra antlerless tags. 2003- 2004 was the first time ever that more does were killed than bucks in Iowa. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, I dont deer hunt much in Iowa because of the $$$...thats a whole other post right there. I do spend about 20 days a year hunting there though and on average I see at least as many bucks as does every year, if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next ye Personally Im not a big fan of this idea.The states being pushed into this by the insurance companies.Its really not a large percent of the state thats got an overpopulation of deer, its mostly around large urban areas like Iowa City, and Des Moines where the populations are to high, theres a lot more traffic and its leading to more car/deer collisions.It all boild down to money, and the insurance industry doesnt seem to be factoring in that a lotta the money theyre paying out in the accidents has more to do with the increased cost of fixing a car and much less to do with an increase in car/deer accidents.And nobody seems to want to address the issue of what an extra 100,000 deer tags is gonna do when the deer are in urban areas that cant be hunted to start with.If we cant access em, we cant kill em, and no amount of tags will change that.At the same time theyre issuing extra tags in counties now that theyve already decimated the deer populations in, we dont need more deer killed around here{ in my county anyway} IMO weve killed to many already. Also nobodies been able to supply any actual figures as to what the current deer population is in Iowa.If you look at the DNR websight, according to thier numbers the estimated after season deer population is about 200,000 deer statewide.Hunters killed 182,721 deer in the 2003 deer season, 96,200 of which were does.Thats almost half the deer in the state if thier numbers are correct.If we wiped out half the deer how is the population still growing? I been discussing this on several other Iowa based websites for awhile now and its getting out of hand.The focus is being taken off of deer management and politics and money are taking its place.As far as more non resident tags to "help the problem" its just an excuse to make more money for the DNR, they need it, but this isnt the way to go about it.NR contribute very little to the number of does being shot in the state.The majority of NR coming to Iowa to hunt are after antlers, which does very little to thin the deer herd out.I have nothing against NR hunters, but this seems like a pretty stupid move to me, if they wanna get NR to shoot does the obvious answer would be to give em a free doe tag with every either sex tag, not try to sell more 200$ doe tags Anyway, thats my opinion of things, and the way their going about it is gonna ruin a lotta areas of the state for deer hunting and have very little impact on the overpopulated areas in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next ye [ QUOTE ] Personally Im not a big fan of this idea.The states being pushed into this by the insurance companies.Its really not a large percent of the state thats got an overpopulation of deer, its mostly around large urban areas like Iowa City, and Des Moines where the populations are to high, theres a lot more traffic and its leading to more car/deer collisions.It all boild down to money, and the insurance industry doesnt seem to be factoring in that a lotta the money theyre paying out in the accidents has more to do with the increased cost of fixing a car and much less to do with an increase in car/deer accidents.And nobody seems to want to address the issue of what an extra 100,000 deer tags is gonna do when the deer are in urban areas that cant be hunted to start with.If we cant access em, we cant kill em, and no amount of tags will change that.At the same time theyre issuing extra tags in counties now that theyve already decimated the deer populations in, we dont need more deer killed around here{ in my county anyway} IMO weve killed to many already. Also nobodies been able to supply any actual figures as to what the current deer population is in Iowa.If you look at the DNR websight, according to thier numbers the estimated after season deer population is about 200,000 deer statewide.Hunters killed 182,721 deer in the 2003 deer season, 96,200 of which were does.Thats almost half the deer in the state if thier numbers are correct.If we wiped out half the deer how is the population still growing? I been discussing this on several other Iowa based websites for awhile now and its getting out of hand.The focus is being taken off of deer management and politics and money are taking its place.As far as more non resident tags to "help the problem" its just an excuse to make more money for the DNR, they need it, but this isnt the way to go about it.NR contribute very little to the number of does being shot in the state.The majority of NR coming to Iowa to hunt are after antlers, which does very little to thin the deer herd out.I have nothing against NR hunters, but this seems like a pretty stupid move to me, if they wanna get NR to shoot does the obvious answer would be to give em a free doe tag with every either sex tag, not try to sell more 200$ doe tags Anyway, thats my opinion of things, and the way their going about it is gonna ruin a lotta areas of the state for deer hunting and have very little impact on the overpopulated areas in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] BBS I know Iowa has big bucks, I've seen tons and tons of them. Im just not gonna pay that kind of money to hunt them, when I can kill deer of that size here. I have to agree with Horst here i didnt think IMO that Iowas deer heard is all that bad of shape. I've hunted out there for many years I promise that it is one of the better herds I've seen. I'd love to able to come out there and kill some does to help out but PLEASE!! at $200 a tag!!! Here in Ohio we have Urban tags to do what Horst is advocating. You can get as many of them as ya want allowing you to kill as many as 20 or so does. Makes insurance companies happy in the city but dosnt mess with our herd on a larger scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! [ QUOTE ] Man thats awesome, i think they need to do that here in PA. [/ QUOTE ] You better watch what you ask for! Because PA deer population is right now at an ALL-TIME-LOW! Some areas seem to have more deer than others. My area in northern dauphin county has been hit soo hard there has been guys hunting the entire two weeks of buck season and has seen NOTHING, and I mean not even a doe! I dont agree with the HR policies these states are doing. It getting tough enough to get young hunters, why would you want a deer-less mountain? After all, the kids want to see deer! Dont get me wrong, I am all for deer management, but the HR rules have been going on too long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! And I agree John. Some areas it is working but unfort some areas it is doing nothing except hurting the herd. I get my deer every year out in Bedford so I can't complain. I hunt on a farm therefore it works for us. Now on the other hand, I know in Lebanon and Schukill(sp) counties, they used to have some great hunting areas but talking to guys when I was home on leave during hunting season, they say they are not seeing anything. I know Mt.Gretna area alone used to be a good area but from what I heard, they pulled hardly any does out of there this year. I think PA needs to cut down on these doe tags, especially in certain areas. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! [ QUOTE ] I think PA needs to cut down on these doe tags, especially in certain areas. JMO [/ QUOTE ] I agree completely TSBH.When states try to manage deer herds based on statewide numbers it doesnt work.Im not even sure managing them on county levels would work.Heres an example. Our countys give out 100 bonus doe tags each you can buy on top of your regular license.It doesnt sound like many right?But, Im gonna guesse 90% of the public ground in the surrounding 2 counties is centered right here around my town.It also happens to be right on the county line.So in effect the majority of those doe tags get filled right here around my area for both counties, on top of the regular licenses given out every year. In a two county area mines the hardest hit and its really starting to show, deer numbers are way down, and by the time I go late season all you see is yearling deer bunched up.The average size of a "big" doe has dropped considerably, telling me were hunting an entirely different age class of does here.Im just about to the point where Im not going to buy any more of the antlerless tags, but if I dont someone will, they sell out almost overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! Mike ever hunt on SGL #80? We used to see 20-60 deer on the first day alone! Now mind you, a lot of them were running back and forth from other hunters! But it kept your interest! It was back in 1989 I spent the last season right off the Appalachian Trail. After walking about 7 miles in the mountain. I saw only one doe that day! That was at 2:30 in the afternoon, opening day of BUCK SEASON! When I got back to the truck my dad seen nothing all day! We knew we needed to find a place where the doe populations were not getting shot off like crazy! This is when we found our little piece of heaven! There maybe 5 people who hunt this track of land if that! Hopefully Ill retire from hunting when it is no longer private! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! I don't know the area names very well AKA SGK#80, I just know the area itself. Before I found my piece of pie out in Bedford, we did most of our hunting back at the Goldmine mt...at least that is what we called it...also back at the choppings but I think the choppings are all grown up now. I believe it was back around the 3rd mountain. Does Rausch Gap ring a bell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! Allow me to chime in. Yeah you are both talking about the same general area. SGL 80 and SGL 210 and 211 cover almost all of that same ridge(s) up around the Lebanon reservoir, north of Fort Indiantown Gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! [ QUOTE ] Allow me to chime in. Yeah you are both talking about the same general area. SGL 80 and SGL 210 and 211 cover almost all of that same ridge(s) up around the Lebanon reservoir, north of Fort Indiantown Gap. [/ QUOTE ] Sheeeeeeeesh Bruce you want some GPS locations too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! Yeah I been back goldmine road and Raush gap! Even Manada gap! Oh yeah been all over fort indiantown gap too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IADEERDUDE Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next year! [ QUOTE ] Not saying I would do it or anything, but how would they know if you shot a doe before a buck. i mean sure they would first only sell you a doe only sex tag but then you could just go back and say you filled thattag and get an any sex tag. [/ QUOTE ] it just ethics and being honest, however some people will try and do this im sure. in turn the dnr will probably try in someway to make you show proof of a doe harvest. i know they do this in other states although im not sure how they do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IADEERDUDE Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: Iowa to pass law 50,000 more deer kill next ye [ QUOTE ] Personally Im not a big fan of this idea.The states being pushed into this by the insurance companies.Its really not a large percent of the state thats got an overpopulation of deer, its mostly around large urban areas like Iowa City, and Des Moines where the populations are to high, theres a lot more traffic and its leading to more car/deer collisions.It all boild down to money, and the insurance industry doesnt seem to be factoring in that a lotta the money theyre paying out in the accidents has more to do with the increased cost of fixing a car and much less to do with an increase in car/deer accidents.And nobody seems to want to address the issue of what an extra 100,000 deer tags is gonna do when the deer are in urban areas that cant be hunted to start with.If we cant access em, we cant kill em, and no amount of tags will change that.At the same time theyre issuing extra tags in counties now that theyve already decimated the deer populations in, we dont need more deer killed around here{ in my county anyway} IMO weve killed to many already. Also nobodies been able to supply any actual figures as to what the current deer population is in Iowa.If you look at the DNR websight, according to thier numbers the estimated after season deer population is about 200,000 deer statewide.Hunters killed 182,721 deer in the 2003 deer season, 96,200 of which were does.Thats almost half the deer in the state if thier numbers are correct.If we wiped out half the deer how is the population still growing? I been discussing this on several other Iowa based websites for awhile now and its getting out of hand.The focus is being taken off of deer management and politics and money are taking its place.As far as more non resident tags to "help the problem" its just an excuse to make more money for the DNR, they need it, but this isnt the way to go about it.NR contribute very little to the number of does being shot in the state.The majority of NR coming to Iowa to hunt are after antlers, which does very little to thin the deer herd out.I have nothing against NR hunters, but this seems like a pretty stupid move to me, if they wanna get NR to shoot does the obvious answer would be to give em a free doe tag with every either sex tag, not try to sell more 200$ doe tags Anyway, thats my opinion of things, and the way their going about it is gonna ruin a lotta areas of the state for deer hunting and have very little impact on the overpopulated areas in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] i agree %100 with this ...good way to lay it all out there horst..this might be a bit over the top but i feel a couple more years of this is really going to hurt the deer population here i mean 50000 more tags thats just crazy. my county is very depleted with doe's in fact during bow season i saw alot more bucks than doe's, although that just might be in the general area, all i know is the last few years there were alot more doe's than bucks.. now well not really i guess we will just have to see how it all plays out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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