RTPROFamily Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Who knows what will happen to us after his nomination today. Everyone should enjoy this hunting season,it may be our last. I hope that this guy keeps things the way they are but I doubt it! TOP STORY on Outdoor Wire: Despite efforts to block his nomination, it appears a vote will happen in the United States Senate later today on the nomination of Cass Sunstein to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. In that position, Sunstein would be the connection point between the White House and regulations from Departments of Interior, Agriculture, the FBI and BATFE. Sunstein's appointment has been vigorously opposed by Senators who feel Sunstein's extensive written and spoken anti-hunting and anti-Second Amendment positions make him unfit for the position. However, it seems Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has scheduled a vote of cloture - a procedural move to force a vote on an appointment. Having written that he believes the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual right, the application of state animal cruelty laws to hunting and livestock, a number of outdoor and pro-firearms groups are encouraging hunters and firearms rights supporters contact their Senators this morning to express their opposition to Sunstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossyhorn Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I just contacted my Senator. The lady I talked said she would make Mr.Mitch Mcconnell aware of my concerns and took down my name and address. When I asked about his stance on hunting and Cass Sunstein she said he has not released a statement yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdhunter39 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 hopefully the votes go the other way and not vote him in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTPROFamily Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I just called Sen. Durbin's office again,I did last week also and all they asked for was my zipcode and said she would pass the info on. It sounded like she was sucking on a sucker while talking with me! I am sure today's message went nowhere! Here is the number for Durbin's office in D.C. If we flood them with calls today maybe they will listen a little! WASHINGTON, D.C. 309 Hart Senate Bldg. Washington, DC 20510 9 am to 6 pm (202) 224-2152 - ph (202) 228-0400 - fx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossyhorn Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 you should put that link back up from your other post so everyone can get contact info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sluggunner Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 The end is near... By the end of this administration I fear we will see the end of America as we know it. Our elected so called "representatives" no longer represent us. All you will be able to do is tell your kids what it was like in the good old days when we were free and could hunt and own firearms. If you don't think our gun ownership and hunting rights are going the way of the dinosour, you have not been paying attention to what has been going on. Time to find a new hobby guys and gals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTPROFamily Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Link to all senators in ABC order.: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm It is lunch time , maybe we can flood them with calls! I didn't know where else to put this link. Copy to other forums and friends if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I just tried to get ahold of mine and he is in meetings... I did tell his secretary I was opposed and he said he'd get him the message. Sure....:hammer1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Quite sure Mr. Corker will be on the right side of this, but I will contact him and be sure he knows my concerns on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spcfoor Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Contacted my senator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 By the end of this administration I fear we will see the end of America as we know it. Our elected so called "representatives" no longer represent us. No truer words have been said.... We have to get these nuts out of office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layin on the smackdown Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 just got off the phone...all she said was that she would forward my opposition and took my zip code...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNTINGMAN Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 The end of our great country as we know it is near. I seen on another forum where Obama is planning on flying the red Chinese comunist flag at the whitehouse sometime this month,tell me this isn't some kind of American leader. I would be willing to say that all of the US service men who have paid the ultimate price for our freedom will be turning over in there grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 By the end of this administration I fear we will see the end of America as we know it. Our elected so called "representatives" no longer represent us. All you will be able to do is tell your kids what it was like in the good old days when we were free and could hunt and own firearms. If you don't think our gun ownership and hunting rights are going the way of the dinosour, you have not been paying attention to what has been going on. Time to find a new hobby guys and gals. That is probably the most negative thing I've ever heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 The end of our great country as we know it is near. I seen on another forum where Obama is planning on flying the red Chinese comunist flag at the whitehouse sometime this month,tell me this isn't some kind of American leader. I would be willing to say that all of the US service men who have paid the ultimate price for our freedom will be turning over in there grave. You know where we are getting all our international loans from? Over 60% is coming from China. And as to Obama being an American leader, he isn't. He is Kenyan and there has been no legitimate United States birth certificate released to the public. Every single one that Obama has released is a fraud. This man is not competent, qualified for office or even American! Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Quite clever how Washington is back dooring the sportsman and gun owner. Verry slick. Where are the BHO supporters now? I tried to get a hold of my Senators, but good luck...I left a message of opposition to the nomination of Sunstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sluggunner Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Negative but true. That is probably the most negative thing I've ever heard of. I wish my thoughts were coming from fantacy land, but I fear I speak the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTPROFamily Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I am so worried about this nomination today. I hope that some how it got stopped. I just found this website that I wish I had known about sooner. It will explain what is going to happen if he gets the job. http://stopsunstein.com/ It has his own quotes of his views on hunting and animal rights. We need prayers now is about all we can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Hopefully this crap doesnt go through!! This is indeed a sad time for America...... But you know what....they can make all the laws they want outlawing hunting....I know I wont be the only guy not following them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 we're in big trouble, folks. i think the post about perhaps not making it 4 years is all too accurate. sorry, buckee. it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 This crazy man has done way to much in less than a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I think you all are worrying way too much. How much can one single guy do against the entire hunting industry plus all of the hunters around the US? He is just an advisor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Are you really Al Franken ?? I see you're from Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Are you really Al Franken ?? I see you're from Minnesota. I'm not putting down anyone so I don't think your comment is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxStarr Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 It's not just animal rights we would have to worry about. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein): First Amendment In his book Democracy and the Problem of Free Speech Sunstein says there is a need to reformulate First Amendment law. He thinks that the current formulation, based on Justice Holmes' conception of free speech as a marketplace “disserves the aspirations of those who wrote America’s founding document.” The purpose of this reformulation would be to “reinvigorate processes of democratic deliberation, by ensuring greater attention to public issues and greater diversity of views.” He is concerned by the present “situation in which like-minded people speak or listen mostly to one another,” and thinks that in “light of astonishing economic and technological changes, we must doubt whether, as interpreted, the constitutional guarantee of free speech is adequately serving democratic goals.” He proposes a “New Deal for speech [that] would draw on Justice Brandeis' insistence on the role of free speech in promoting political deliberation and citizenship.” Animal rights Sunstein has also written often in favor of animal rights. “Every reasonable person believes in animal rights,” he says. He also says that human “willingness to subject animals to unjustified suffering will be seen … as a form of unconscionable barbarity… morally akin to slavery and the mass extermination of human beings,” and that we might "conclude that certain practices cannot be defended and should not be allowed to continue, if, in practice, mere regulation will inevitably be insufficient—and if, in practice, mere regulation will ensure that the level of animal suffering will remain very high." Specifically he thinks that, “we ought to ban hunting.” He also thinks that “we could even grant animals a right to bring suit” and that it is possible that “that before long, Congress will grant standing to animals to protect their own rights and interests.” This all stems from his claim that "animals, species as such, and perhaps even natural objects warrant respect for their own sake, and quite apart from their interactions with human beings." Taxation Sunstein has argued that “we should celebrate tax day.” He appears to claim that the very concepts of property and society are based on government and taxes: In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?... Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [it is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc. … There is no liberty without dependency. Sunstein goes on to say: If government could not intervene effectively, none of the individual rights to which Americans have become accustomed could be reliably protected. [...] This is why the overused distinction between "negative" and "positive" rights makes little sense. Rights to private property, freedom of speech, immunity from police abuse, contractual liberty, free exercise of religion--just as much as rights to Social Security, Medicare and food stamps--are taxpayer-funded and government-managed social services designed to improve collective and individual well-being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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