Ghilliesuit22 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I understand where some of you are coming from with the idea that he may just need exposure to the woods. I failed to include the fact that the guy he was speaking to (who supposedly bow hunts) was not actively denying or educating the individual. I should have included more of the story. It also seemed as though the individual had previously hunted deer during rifle season and his comments just rubbed me the wrong way. I will totally agree that we need to get more people into hunting especially youngings as we do not want to lose support in the future for our beloved way of life. I just dislike seeing people in the woods who do not appreciate it. I may just have a bad attitude because of what I have been exposed to. I used to work for a guy who knew I was a hunter. He told me that he bow hunts every year and that he always gets a buck, sometimes two. He would tell me stories of different bucks that he harvested and I was actually interested. This guy would constantly put down the idea that bow hunting took any more effort than harvesting with a rifle. I never really understood it. When asking him, he would just say it comes easy to him. I found out later that he had previously had a shoulder injury for like a year, and his doctor wrote him a note of disability so that he could hunt with a crossbow. I am not downing crossbows here but just listen to the story. He no longer has the injury and flaunts the fact that he still has them fooled because he can bow hunt with his crossbow. He also later revealed his secret of getting a buck every year. He lives about 5 country miles from a carrot farm, so he would get a dump truck load of carrots and dump them in the corner of his property (which is about 4 acres). He has a stand that he leaves there every year about 15 feet from the carrots. On opening day, he would go sit up in his stand for about 2 hours before dusk, and when a buck came to the pile he would turn on his little laser and pull the trigger. This is the same guy that doesn't see any reason to test any of his equipment before the start of the season. The thing that bothers me the most is that I know there is a lot of other honest hunters in the area who haven't seen a buck for years (no it is not me haha). He had no pride or ambition to do it the right way. He also had two boys of which were interested in hunting… Back to the original story, I was quick to judge as I do not even know the guy. It may also be the fact that I hear this dude talk on the other side of the wall all the time, and his comments are generally representative of a tool. After much rambling, I will say that just because someone has ignorant comments towards hunting or the outdoors does not rule out the possibility of changing their perspective. It may be worth educating the individual and God knows we do need more people educated about hunting, the outdoors, and firearms. However there are many out there that I just hate to see hunting since they are a poor representation of it. This could in fact negatively affect others idea of what hunting is and what kind of people participate in it which could inevitably steer good people away from it. A few years ago there were dove hunting ads on TV where two guys with beers shot doves off power lines and then left their empty cans behind. I can’t tell you how many people I heard reference that ad when speaking about passing the dove hunting bill in our state. Anyways I hope I didn't put anyone to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghilliesuit22 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 LOL you know Ghillie is fired up when he's been a memeber for two years and this is one of his 20 total posts in that time frame:) haha this made me laugh, my friend MichiganHunter reminded me about getting back on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 OK Ghillie let me see if I digested your last post correctly. 1. Are you saying the guy answering the questions on the other side of the wall is one of those clowns like your description of your old boss? Cut corners wherever he can even if it's illegal. 2. Was the other guy that was asking the questions, really just directing them at the other guy in a mannor to imply they were abusive comments toward bowhunting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghilliesuit22 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 OK Ghillie let me see if I digested your last post correctly. 1. Are you saying the guy answering the questions on the other side of the wall is one of those clowns like your description of your old boss? Cut corners wherever he can even if it's illegal. 2. Was the other guy that was asking the questions, really just directing them at the other guy in a mannor to imply they were abusive comments toward bowhunting? HAHA! 1. The guy answering questions was not doing enough to defend hunting...jmo. 2. I think what I am saying is that I pretty much think the guy behind the wall (guy asking questions) is a tool. His comments at work generally do not represent good character. I am sorry, I got way off on a tangent, I was trying to explain my bad attitude towards unethical people. And I really don't have enough background info on the guy behind the wall to prove that he would be an unethical hunter, I was judging by his everyday attitude and regular discussions at work. My main point in the beginning was that don't you hate to see people who you think are tools to belong to something that you are passionate about. I am sorry for not providing adequate information in the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 After much rambling, I will say that just because someone has ignorant comments towards hunting or the outdoors does not rule out the possibility of changing their perspective. It may be worth educating the individual and God knows we do need more people educated about hunting, the outdoors, and firearms. However there are many out there that I just hate to see hunting since they are a poor representation of it. This could in fact negatively affect others idea of what hunting is and what kind of people participate in it which could inevitably steer good people away from it. Think you pretty well hit the nail on the head right there with that comment. Folks can indeed change their perspectives and learn to appreciate things they were once ignorant to. So the guy is a tool now, whats to say he does not get out in the woods and see the world in a totally different light and learn to appreciate. Is it better to shun that type of person totally turning them off possibly turning them anti and never give them a chance or better to try to enlighten them. Think we are all guilty at times of being a little judgemental, maybe human nature dunno, but might not be so quick to judge in the future you just never know how getting someone out and them experiencing hunting might impact them. Far as your former boss, has anyone ever made any calls to the game officials? Sounds like a poacher who needs turned in to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I think what I am saying is that I pretty much think the guy behind the wall (guy asking questions) is a tool. His comments at work generally do not represent good character. ...don't you hate to see people who you think are tools to belong to something that you are passionate about. In a nutshell...Yep. I've been around a few "tools" over the years. I am sorry for not providing adequate information in the beginning. No problem and welcome back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 In a nutshell...Yep. I've been around a few "tools" over the years. We've even got a few on this message board. (Did I just say that out loud?) :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Got the ol' trollin motor out and reved up eh? ..... lol. I suppose my first responsibility would be to explain to him that crossbows are not legal hunting weapons in NYS, and try to nurture an interest in legal activity like bowhunting or gun hunting instead. I probably would not be encouraging him to be hunting with a weapon that is illegal in our state. Do you consider encouraging illegal activity as being "inclusive" or showing some kind of "non-elitism"? Doc Yes...your first responsibility would be to tell him that CrossBows are not a legal hunting weapon in this State. Do you consider that such an explaination, to someone who actually did not know what the regulations are in this state, as encouraging illegal activity? I personally would consider informing that person with the facts as being "Inclusive". I probably would not be encouraging him to be hunting with a weapon that is illegal in our state. If this is truely your idea of appropriate I hope you dont meet any "Potential Hunters"...this is one of those things in life that are not up to your interpretation or mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 We've even got a few on this message board. (Did I just say that out loud?) :D Do you happen to hunt with any of them Tom? :clown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Do you happen to hunt with any of them Tom? :clown: Hey now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hey now..... Sorry...I just couldn't resist. :bat: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 sorry...i just couldn't resist. :bat: lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Do you happen to hunt with any of them Tom? :clown: Hey now..... Well, no, I wasn't referring to Chris. But you do bring up a good point......:shifty: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 If this is truely your idea of appropriate I hope you dont meet any "Potential Hunters"...this is one of those things in life that are not up to your interpretation or mine. Lol......For some reason, your response doesn't seem to make a lot of sense relative to the quote you have selected. I'm sure you are not really arguing with the statement "I probably would not be encouraging him to be hunting with a weapon that is illegal in our state". However, part of your reply is correct. The law is "not up to your interpretation or mine". And by the way, I do consider advising "potential hunters" of the law to be "appropriate". Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Actually Doc I was....There should never be any "Probably" in that statement. I was hoping for a well written articulated statement towards someone who had never hunted before. Partly because of your previous posts and partly because I wanted to see how someone who is adimantly against a weapon overcomes their personal views to help someone new. You may be set to immediately argue with me knowing my views on the subject but I was hoping for something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 This post has taken some interesting turns and had some opinions expressed showing, what I consider, alarming thought processes. To begin with, I interpret the original post and the questions the inquiring individual to be asking as if they are saying that if it is too hard, requires too much time, or no quick "feel good" in it for me, than I'm not interested. That may, or may not, be the case, but in this world of quick "high" expectations I'm thinking this guy is not interested unless it is easy, fast, and promptly satisfying. Should we as hunters try to educate this individual? Certainly, and then let him make the decision. Am I, as a hunter, interested in getting more people involved in the passion of hunting? You bet! Keep in mind though that if they are just in it for a quick adrenaline rush, when the time comes to defend our right to hunt, the chances are they will just move on to the next "quick high" and not stand alongside us to fight. There are a lot of real hunters out there that do not even know it. These individuals we need to indoctrinate if we can. You never know, you might have passed on the best hunting buddy of your life. Now, the crossbow issue with GW and Doc. I am not a fan of crossbows during bow season, unless one has a disability. To me it is the easy way out. I know someone who this year is hanging up his bow and switching to a crossbow because the state he lives in has made it legal to use a crossbow during bow season beginning this year. This is an individual who has been a hunter and outdoors man all his life, but who is unwilling to put the effort and practice into shooting a compound and is taking up a crossbow because it is easier. I'm not sure how I feel about this, but getting or keeping him out there in the field this fall is more important than the what kind of weapon he is shooting. Will the change affect his enjoyment? Maybe, as now his confidence in shot placement will be of less a concern. Now, if the ease of entry into the sport is what is needed to get someone started, and all is legal in their hunting area, get them started. Do not make it too easy, for putting in some effort is part of the passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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