jlnscobb Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hello, I have taken all the advice given to me about Bow hunting, I finally and not afraid to drop the bow, and have been grouping wonderfully, So i switched to my Broad heads and now the arrows shot way different ! I tried some practice ones and they shoot great but the broad heads shoot way different , any suggestions on why and how to fix this Lori Cobb www.theoutdoorsmangallery.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujack Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 what kind of broadheads are you shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlnscobb Posted September 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I am using muzzy's 3 blade 100 grain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Welcome to the forums . So you shoot the real heads and they fly true. When you shoot the practice heads they are planing on you ? Hmmm, that is weird. Make sure the blades and fletch are lined up on the shaft. That might help. I shoot expandibles as to NOT have this problem. Many fixed blade heads fly the same as field trips( SlickTricks), but I think the Muzzys need tuning. Maybe some other bow gurus on this board can help. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Welcome to the forums . So you shoot the real heads and they fly true. When you shoot the practice heads they are planing on you ? Hmmm, that is weird. Make sure the blades and fletch are lined up on the shaft. That might help. I shoot expandibles as to NOT have this problem. Many fixed blade heads fly the same as field trips( SlickTricks), but I think the Muzzys need tuning. Maybe some other bow gurus on this board can help. Good Luck. The problem is that the practice ones fly true but the broadheads don't, Anthony. I've never had problems with my Muzzys flying differently. Hope you can get it figured out soon, bud! Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlnscobb Posted September 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 ok i guess i messed up the correct terminology , I am using field points that fly straight and group well and the broadheads are the ones i am having trouble with ! any suggestions with that ! thanks ya'll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlnscobb Posted September 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 ok i guess i messed up the correct terminology , I am using field points that fly straight and group well and the broadheads are the ones i am having trouble with ! any suggestions with that ! thanks ya'll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMort Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Try switching to the 4 blade muzzy's, but as some one said try and align the blades and fletchings. How many pounds are you shooting, and out of what bow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 ok i guess i messed up the correct terminology , I am using field points that fly straight and group well and the broadheads are the ones i am having trouble with ! any suggestions with that ! thanks ya'll Take the broadheads out and "Square" the face of the insert with a G5-ASD With field points it's not a problem but it shows up much worse when you add the extra "Wings" on the front with the broadheads. It's best if you can "Square" the arrow shaft but squaring the face of the insert will help dramatically;) If you square the arrow shaft normally theres no problem with the insert but thats the quick fix. The problem stems from the minute way the broadhead is off center along the long axis of the arrow shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODH Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 I shot Muzzy 4 blade 100 grains and they porpused (spiral) really bad. I bumped it up to shooting 125 grain 3 blade Muzzys and they shoot awesome! shot them for quite a few years now. Are you having problems with the broadheads porpusing? You might just need to do alittle tuning. Normally the broadheads will shoot alittle different than field points, unless your shooting expandables;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) Sounds like a tuning problem. You can get it to a pro shop and get that worked out, or you could try a smaller mechanical, something like a G5 Tekan, they fly like a dart. Pay attention to your fletchings when you shoot and see if they kick, when they do this, your blades on the front act as rudders and there may lie your problem. Edited September 24, 2009 by redkneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 It seems alot of you dont believe it's this simple but it is... Imagine a letter "T" sideways...thats your insert with the arrow shaft correctly cut, squared, and insert installed properly. Now.. Imagine that "T" set improperly and... looking like this /----------<<< ....instead of like this I----------<<<. Sure thats a dramatization but thats what makes broadheads fly incorrectly and different than field points. The field points dont make much of a difference because theres almost no resistance to them passing through the air. Think about it...if the arrow shaft is not exactly square the insert will not be sitting in the right position to keep the broadheads facing straight down the center of the arrow shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 GW is hammering this right on.. you MUST square the face of the insert. better yet, square the face of the arrow shaft before you glue in the insert and then square the insert as well. might as well square the nock end also. setting inserts onto crooked arrow shafts are the main reason arrows do not fly like your field points. i spin tune all my Muzzys and they fly just like my Field points. GW i cannt believe all the guys that dont do this. what you all need to do is get your arrows cut at the archery dealer, but glue in your own inserts. that way you can be assured they are square and spinning true. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Tony it's only by chance that I learned this a few years ago. Up until that time I had exactly the same problems as the original poster here. I was shooting at a range and decided to buy another half dozen arrows from there. The guy was using the G5-ASD on the shafts and I asked what and why he was doing that. Imediately afterwards I was able to switch from shooting Mechanical Broadheads to shooting Fixed Blades and they were hitting exactly the same. He showed me why he was using that by using a heavy marker on the face of the insert in one of my old arrow shafts. When it was turned against the cutting edge of the ASD(arrow squaring device) it proved it to me beyond a shadow of a doubt. Not all of the marker ink on the insert face was removed even after a few turns! Theres absolutely no way broadheads could have been consistently flying having already started out at an angle. Add in archers paradox and the wind resistance against the fixed bladed broadhead is compounded immensely. Before that day I would always have a few arrows that never seemed to be consistent....Now they all are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Question guys...Gary/ Tony. Don't meant to hijack thread but this is on topic. As far the ASD goes. I understand what it does and it makes sense...BUT...doesn't my arrow saw make a perfect cut on the shaft? Or can it be a slightly bad cut, off 1 or 3 degrees, better than my eye can see where the ASD could make a difference? I do not have a ASD. I do cut my own shafts/fletch and shoot mechanicals. I have had no issues. Or does this problem pop up only when shooting fixed blade heads? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Hello, I have taken all the advice given to me about Bow hunting, I finally and not afraid to drop the bow, and have been grouping wonderfully, So i switched to my Broad heads and now the arrows shot way different ! I tried some practice ones and they shoot great but the broad heads shoot way different , any suggestions on why and how to fix this Lori Cobb www.theoutdoorsmangallery.com Are your broadheads grouping in a different spot than the field tips or just hitting all over? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Have you spun the heads on the shafts? Using muzzy 3 blade 100 grain heads here, with beman shafts with hit. I found earlier this week that out of a 11 heads and a dozen arrows I only had 4 that made it to my quiver that spun totally clean. If your arrows with the heads are planing or darting you may have a bent head or poor arrow head/alignment. Noticed just last week I had a couple practice blades that were veering to the left on every shot, spun the heads and sure enough they were bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois59 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Take a look at this video. This video shows just how differently brands of broadheads fly when shot exactly the same. Kinda cool. Click on the video on the lower left side. http://www.prorelease.com/xring.aspx Have a safe and successful season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 what you all need to do is get your arrows cut at the archery dealer, but glue in your own inserts. that way you can be assured they are square and spinning true. Tony Yep, yep! Thats what i do too. I rarely have a problem with flight. Granted a BH will sometimes hit an inch or so from a field point but as long as you are consistant its not a bad thing. Just learn how the setup shoots with a broad head and then let the air out of em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Question guys...Gary/ Tony. Don't meant to hijack thread but this is on topic. As far the ASD goes. I understand what it does and it makes sense...BUT...doesn't my arrow saw make a perfect cut on the shaft? Or can it be a slightly bad cut, off 1 or 3 degrees, better than my eye can see where the ASD could make a difference? I do not have a ASD. I do cut my own shafts/fletch and shoot mechanicals. I have had no issues. Or does this problem pop up only when shooting fixed blade heads? Thanks. 1. doesn't my arrow saw make a perfect cut on the shaft?Or can it be a slightly bad cut, off 1 or 3 degrees, better than my eye can see where the ASD could make a difference? Not always...look at the saw below and you can just see how the arrow shaft has the chance to be pushed on while being turned to cut. That would be enough to change the face to not being square. Even if you could lay the arrow shaft down in the angle of the saw mount theres no gaurantee that it was straight to begin with! 2. Or does this problem pop up only when shooting fixed blade heads? The only time is during flight when having an offset broadhead makes a difference. That broadhead has all of that extra surface to catch air from the start of it's flight so it results in a change of direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Understood. Thank you...Thank you Verrry much. (in my best Elvis:D). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 spinning the arrow shafts after you practice is also a very good idea. its easy to bend a ferrule or a blade slightly, so slight, that it can throw an arrow off. this is why after each practice session, i spin my arrows, checking them to see if one is not right. i then put in new blades before i go hunting and spin them as well. i know it sounds anal, but its possible to get a blade out of a new package thats not just right. when you spin a good one, you want all your arrows to spin like that. in my book if i dont get them to spin just right, they dont make the quiver to go hunting. i set that arrow aside and work on it later. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 I agree Tony...it seems that sometimes it does not take too much to bend them. Hey Adam...(without magnifying it)is this cut straight??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 ;)Now look again(same picture just the original size)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 This should help everyone understand what the G5-ASD does...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBtY4nz8sE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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