The_Kat Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 lol your one of the few who like my straightforward ways, it usually gets me in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I am not proud b/c my skin is white. I am 25% Armenian but most of you don't probably know what that is. What I am proud of is my family, my education, my upbringing and my God and my country. As for complaining about being white in America I can't stand that as much as I can't stand it when blacks cry, or Mexicans or whoever. Don't teach your kids to have excuses...teach them to judge people based on what they do and not what they are. I'm going to bed. Good luck huntin this week. Remember deer don't discrimanate...if you don't get a big buck you can't blame that on affirmative action. Its probably b/c you are too busy crying about minorities ruining this country and not out in a tree stand killing a big buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I am 25% Armenian but most of you don't probably know what that is. No Ace, not a one of us have any idea what an Armenian is. :hammer1: Just about every post you make as at least some sarcasm in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 i've had over a thousand hunters hunt with me, in my home and at my table. not once did i ever ask one of them what color he or she was. further, i don't know of anyone on these forums who is prejudiced by color. it simply never comes up. and should not. i think the liberals are using race as a primary tool to seperate america and americans into classes and against each other. i think it is a sick avenue they are on, and will hurt them in the long run. race has no place in todays america, on this forum, or in our lives. god made us all, and god does not make junk. (of any color) that said, i think kyle was right on point. you have a burr under your saddle for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 That sounds painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I'm white and proud of it, I'm American and proud of it, and I'm southern and proud of it. I'm not a thug, or a criminal, and I wear my pants above my buttcrack....thats all I have to say. Danggit, you beat me to it!!! Wasn't it Popeye that said something along the lines that "I am what I am!" Im not sure if I like this post the best from Kyle or this one... But they are both good! Thats why I like you Kyle.... lol your one of the few who like my straightforward ways, it usually gets me in trouble Good lord Ken, don't feed the boy this stuff, his dang head will swell like there's no tomorrow!!! I for one am unsure of where my ancestry leads back to. But aside from that, I am sitting here looking at my skin, and well I'll be, I'm a Southern Born Southern Bred WHITE Boy from Florida, and if you wanna know how I feel, watch the first part of Full Metal Jacket,(I'd get ANOTHER infraction/point if I posted that!!) but I don't look down on anyone till THEY give me a reason........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubledrop Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 i dont think i need to say anything about this one. i believe you hit the nail on the head here, and believe me i know of a thousand other people with the same thoughts. very good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WvBowhunterKE Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 im sure this will come back with alot of negative feeback, and im sure I will lose a couple of friends on here. I have read every post so far on this thread and I have taken them all into consideration. Now tell me if I am wrong, Just because someone calls someone African American, does this mean they are calling them "black" ? If you think this, you have a problem. I know alot of people from Africa that are white. This whole speal about what is white....Its your heritage, When does the Irish have their heritage month? They dont, We get one day, St. Patricks Day, When do the English have their month? Exactly we dont...When do the Scottish have theirs... We dont get those months, Now why is it that our society believes that because the black community came out of a period of slavery and depression they should have a month devoted to them? That was hundreds of years ago. Dont you think it is time to let that go? You dont see conflict between many English, Scottish , Or Irish men hating each other from the past do you? When do you hear in the news that a Gang of white backgrounds or Irish, Scottish,English, Scandinavian, Italian, German, Dutch, or any European decents. Get into a drug war, killing innocent civilians? Does it not seem to pry upon the black community or the Hispanic communities? Sure I already know whats coming, Well Whites have gangs too... The Aryan Brotherhood and the Klu Klux Klan... I am not defending them in anyway. I dont believe anything they do is fair or right. But when do you hear about them going and robbing a store or raping women and children. Matter of fact when is the last time you heard of anything they have done of the news. But you hear about the Crips and the Bloods, The MX13 or whatever they are called. Or the Nortanios Which have drawn crap all over the porta johns over here. Solider or not that makes no difference, the alligenance still lies with their gang. I know first hand that it does, I have seen more gangs signs thrown in my face since I have been in the Army then I have in my whole life. Is it not true that you see more about the latter gangs causing havoc within our communities? Im going to leave it at that, and I am sure I will have plenty of posts to reply to...but thats fine with me, this is my opinion you can take it or leave it. Not only is it a logical opinion based upon statistics, but its mine as well. I posted it, I own it, and I wont appologize for a word of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 WVBHKE- I was going to say that the KKK and Aryan nation were the only "Gangs" that were color specific, but then I reminded myself of the "Black Panthers", Mexian Mafia and I'm sure there are others. I don't like anything you said there, but sadly can't really find any fault in it. Sometimes the truth is an ugly mess. Statistics are not bias or racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WvBowhunterKE Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 The truth is ugly sometimes, and it can be rather distasteful. But someone has to speak it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNcrittergittr Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Where are white people from? What people groups do you consider of the white race? What about people from Portugal? Please tell me you are not serious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WvBowhunterKE Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Please tell me you are not serious... lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceArcher Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 The facts are that most crimes that are committed are race specific meaning that the chances are that if you are killed, raped or robbed and are black it will be by a black person, if you are white by a white person or if you are mexican it will be by a mexican person. I am not sure what is going of in WV or WY but here in IL we have plenty of white trash degenerates, smoking meth, taking oxycontin, robbing people, killig people and molesting children. The reason that there is a "Black History Month" is becouse up until 1960 there was institutionalized discrimination in this country that kept blacks from voting, holding office and achieving prosperity. Before that in a large part of the United States black people were owned as property. For that very reason just about every President and national figure for the first 200+ years of our country has been a white male. So in order to raise awarness about the contributions of black poeple in this country they have black history month. What is wrong with kids learning about Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglass and George W. Carver among others? I don't see what the big stink is about...but that is just me. What are some reasons that we shouldn't have it? Also it is not like that in Febuary they stop celebrating recognizing white males contributions to this country. If I am not mistaken we still observe Vladmir Pulaski day, Abe Lincolns B-day and Washington's B-day all during the "Black History Month." Big deal...lets have the month...Im all for kids learning differing views of the world and how things were different for different people during some eras of this nations history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Don't think anyone here has suggested in any way that they have any problem at all with kids learning history Ace, and I actually would agree with some of what you say. I could be wrong, but I think the reason WVBowhunterKE posted here was not to say that we need to eliminate those things, but rather to express his thoughts on how things when turned around it would be viewed as discrimination or viewed as being racist and even though it would make him out as "bad", he was proud. There seems to be a bit of a double standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I do believe that a certain president stated "ask what not your contry can do for you, But what can you do for your country". Most of the folks complaing about you owe us this and that have never served our country in any way, but let the monthly check be late and they are whinning. I deal with it every day in Law Enforcement, and have even asked myself why did I serve in the military for 21 years to be judged and disrespected because of this or that. If ya don't love this country go and become a citizen of what ever country that will have ya. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!:toot::toot::clap::clap: Sorry folks for ranting. And in that same speech where so many like to quote, Kennedy said that we will not stand idly by and allow America or it's allies to be attacked. I think it's worth posting this speech to show both the left and the right that this was indeed a speech any Right Wing supporter of Conservative values would be honored to give with very few exceptions. Vice President Johnson, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Chief Justice, President Eisenhower, Vice President Nixon, President Truman, reverend clergy, fellow citizens, we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom—symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning—signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago. 1 The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.2 We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.3 Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.4 This much we pledge—and more.5 To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do—for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.6 To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.7 To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required—not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.8 To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge—to convert our good words into good deeds—in a new alliance for progress—to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house.9 To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support—to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective—to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak—and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run.10 Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction.11 We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.12 But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course—both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind's final war.13 So let us begin anew—remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.14 Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring those problems which divide us.15 Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms—and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations.16 Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce.17 Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah—to "undo the heavy burdens ... and to let the oppressed go free."18 And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.19 All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.20 In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.21 Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.22 Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?23 In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it—and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.24 And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.25 My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.26 Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 The reason that there is a "Black History Month" is becouse up until 1960 there was institutionalized discrimination in this country that kept blacks from voting, holding office and achieving prosperity. Before that in a large part of the United States black people were owned as property. For that very reason just about every President and national figure for the first 200+ years of our country has been a white male. So in order to raise awarness about the contributions of black poeple in this country they have black history month. What is wrong with kids learning about Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglass and George W. Carver among others? I don't see what the big stink is about...but that is just me. What are some reasons that we shouldn't have it? Why shouldn't we have black history month? Because we don't have a white history month and if we did it'd be racist. Whites are not allowed to celebrate the race, yet blacks are? There are negro scholarship funds that are for blacks only.....if whites did this then it'd be an uproar. It's not only blacks that have LEGAL discrimination of whites, its Indians too. Indian governments hire indians over whites. It says so in their policies. It blows my mind how thats even fair at all. There are so many double standards in this country when it comes to race. So I think if they can't give us a white history month, or a white entertainment television, or white only scholarships and clubs, then they should not allow other races such privledge. I also questoin your statement about crime being race to race. Blacks make up over double the crime rate of the next highest race which is latino. And no I'm not speakin of shear numbers of crime, I'm speaking of population percentage to crime ratios, otherwise white would be 2nd in total number of crimes and prison population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WvBowhunterKE Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 The facts are that most crimes that are committed are race specific meaning that the chances are that if you are killed, raped or robbed and are black it will be by a black person, if you are white by a white person or if you are mexican it will be by a mexican person. I am not sure what is going of in WV or WY but here in IL we have plenty of white trash degenerates, smoking meth, taking oxycontin, robbing people, killig people and molesting children. The reason that there is a "Black History Month" is becouse up until 1960 there was institutionalized discrimination in this country that kept blacks from voting, holding office and achieving prosperity. Before that in a large part of the United States black people were owned as property. For that very reason just about every President and national figure for the first 200+ years of our country has been a white male. So in order to raise awarness about the contributions of black poeple in this country they have black history month. What is wrong with kids learning about Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglass and George W. Carver among others? I don't see what the big stink is about...but that is just me. What are some reasons that we shouldn't have it? Also it is not like that in Febuary they stop celebrating recognizing white males contributions to this country. If I am not mistaken we still observe Vladmir Pulaski day, Abe Lincolns B-day and Washington's B-day all during the "Black History Month." Big deal...lets have the month...Im all for kids learning differing views of the world and how things were different for different people during some eras of this nations history. I dont recall stating that they should not teach the kids about their history. Nor did my statement mention ANYTHING about the white man being perfect. By statistic's it more common within the black or hispanic community. Im no Adolf Hilter OR want to be. Dont turn this around to look as if I am bad mouthing their race. Because im not, I never said anything of the sort. My question is why are we looked down upon or looked at like were crazy if we say were proud to be white. the simple words, " White Pride." bring nothing but negative thoughts to mind. Which is bull. It shouldnt by no mean, but yet they can say African American Pride all day long. But I have found a way to slip being proud of my heritage in.... Im Caucasian European American... Tell me how that could possibly sound rasict? Now lets see if the school systems would allow that to be place upon a class ring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dance.and.shoot Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Alls i'm gonna say is quotes from Remember the Titans....go home and watch it...it makes ya think like ya've never thought before... People say that it can't work, black and white; well here we make it work, everyday. We have our disagreements, of course, but before we reach for hate, always, always, we remember the Titans. ~{older} Sheryl (closing lines) Well, I met Coach Taber. He won't let blacks play on his team. The way I see it, if these boys can fight a war together, they can play football together. ~Colonel William G. Bass (Sunshine's dad) This is where they fought the battle of Gettysburg. Fifty thousand men died right here on this field, fighting the same fight that we are still fighting among ourselves today. This green field right here, painted red, bubblin' with the blood of young boys. Smoke and hot lead pouring right through their bodies. Listen to their souls, men. I killed my brother with malice in my heart. Hatred destroyed my family. You listen, and you take a lesson from the dead. If we don't come together right now on this hallowed ground, we too will be destroyed, just like they were. I don't care if you like each other or not, but you will respect each other. And maybe... I don't know, maybe we'll learn to play this game like men. ~Coach Boone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 race has no place in todays america, on this forum, or in our lives. god made us all, and god does not make junk. (of any color) Think I will close this on the quote from Steve Beilgard,which I agree with completely. Everyone has had an opportunity to give opinions and this thread is not accomplishing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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