Swamphunter Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) Well, had our first of the year... a local man was shot in the stomach by a guy with a muzzleloader when he was shooting at movement through the fog at what he thought was a deer. The shooter was arrested for 2nd degree felony assault. Here is a link to the story.. the victim is critical and was transported to Flether Allen Medical in Burlington VT...please pray for the victims family.... http://news10now.com/cny-news-1013-content/top_stories/485719/hunter-shot-in-abdomen/?ap=1&MP4 Edited October 25, 2009 by Swamphunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stcif Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I am so sick of these same old stories. Is it that hard to identify a target? If it is foggy, wait for the fog to go away. Hope the guy is o.k. I hope this is the only one this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybertech_hound819 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 how many people will die befor people understand the Whole. knwo what your shooting at thing. iv had alot of people walk by me in the woods and not once have i ever thought it was a deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I hate too hear these stories year after year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 That is sad, happens time and time again and can be easily avoided if people would verify what they are shooting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 very sad that there are still people out there that don't know how to handle there guns....shooting at sound??? give me a break!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) Man, since when does a man look like a deer, even in the fog ? All I can do is shake my head when I hear stories like this. I hope that guy doesn't die, because that 2nd degree assault charge will be changed to 2nd degree murder. Absolutely 100% avoidable You could dress a guy up in a dang deer suit, and get him to walk around on all fours, and I don't care what the lighting is like, I can tell a real deer from a man in a costume. Edited October 25, 2009 by buckee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungry hunter Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 We are all taught from day 1, be sure of your target, yet every year it happens. Prayers sent for both of them. The fellow that pulled the trigger has to live with it for the rest of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Well, this is a lousy way to start out the 2009-2010 season, but most likely it won't be the last. This guy like all the others before him that have killed and maimed fellow hunters was exposed to the NYS excellent hunter training program, and it still didn't stick. He knew better and simply let the excitement of the moment over-rule what he knew was a wrong move when he made it. This just shows that we will never be able to eliminate hunting fatalities and other shootings. There will always be hunters afield that are sloppy, exciteable to the point of losing self control and just plain a hazard in the woods waiting for the right set of circumstances to create a tragedy. That's why we have to take on all the defensive actions that we can to try to protect ourselves from hunters who can't control their emotions and excitement. I have always felt a bit vulnerable in heavy fog, and if I go out in it at all (which has been darn few times), I try to keep my movement down to a minimum and get the heck out of the woods when there is the first sign of it lifting. Also, as long as there is any form of deer season using any kind of gun, I have ample blaze orange on ...... ALWAYS! I don't know if the victim was wearing blaze orange or not, and I don't know if it would have helped given the heavy fog, but that is one defensive item of apparel that is always a part of my hunting in any gun deer season. We've had some pretty good consecutive seasons in NY where the safety record has been pretty darned good. I hope we are not going to start going in reverse now. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Absolutely no excuse for something like that. We'll pray for a full recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hate to hear that. Never needed to happen. People really just need to be careful and watch what there doing. I don't know if he had on blaze orange but thats one thing I never forget during a gun season. Just a little safety measure you can take that will hopefully save you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Was it public land hunting? One has got to take precautions. I list the ones I do when hunting frequently, think I'll put it on my blog. Also when is the last time you read an article on hunting defensively? There will ALWAYS be an idiot out there so we have to hunt smart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dance.and.shoot Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Some people's stupidity amazes me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layin on the smackdown Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Was it public land hunting? One has got to take precautions. I list the ones I do when hunting frequently, think I'll put it on my blog. Also when is the last time you read an article on hunting defensively? There will ALWAYS be an idiot out there so we have to hunt smart! Very well put Frank...well said...Defensive hunting...they elaborate on defensive driving so much in drivers ed, but i have not heard much about defensive hunting in any hunter safety program... also, like stated above, whats the deal with not wearing blaze orange? Was he wearing it? is it not required in NY? if he wasn't wearing it, and it is required (even if its not required), he's the one asking to eat a bullet. Don't get me wrong, its no excuse for shooting at an unidentified object by any means, but there are a lot of idiots out there who shoot first and ask questions later... In all actuality, if just one of these two people used a microscopic bit of common sense, this would have easily been avoided. Sad story indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 The papers and the news state that the victim was crossing property he did NOT have permission to be on. The shooter had leased it. The shooter was wearing blaze orange camo, and the victim was not, although it is not required to wear blaze orange in NYS (at least in the northern zone). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Sad and amazing that someone could be so careless. ...on both sides of the situation!!! Even though it is not mandated here in NYS whenever I move from a standsite or treestand I wear Blaze Orange. I also wear a headlamp in any conditions other than clear daylight. Not too many animals out there have a light on their head so I figure it will decrease my chances of a mistake happening to me. I'm not worried or concerned about any game I may spook simply because those situations are when I should never be shooting anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I have graduated to wearing orange deer any rifle or ml season. I still wear a blaze orange cap while bowhunting until I am in my stand as it is turkey season then also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 The papers and the news state that the victim was crossing property he did NOT have permission to be on. The shooter had leased it. The shooter was wearing blaze orange camo, and the victim was not, although it is not required to wear blaze orange in NYS (at least in the northern zone). I got this from a guy who is colorblind in anther forum Ken. This is more a warning to hunters than a complaint - but three-fifths of all males of Northern European extraction have red-green colorblindness to some degree. The thing that others need to be aware of is that Blaze Orange is the same color as Grass Green to me - make all the arguments you want to on the basis of wavelengths and stuff, it's perception that counts. And more specifically, it's the perception of the color-blind guy with a .30-06 three hundred yards away that counts. Blaze orange will not protect you from being shot by a color-blind hunter, and there are a lot of us out there. Especially if you're wearing what you think is "camoflage" otherwise, because that, being different in texture and light reflectiveness from the natural background, sticks out like a sore thumb; so what the color-blind hunter will see is the motion in the camoflage, NOT the blaze orange. If you want to shoot safely (especially if you happen to range onto my land), wear something along with your statutorily required blaze orange that's "international safety yellow" or bright blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Ya know I got a chill this morning walking across a flat around 9 wondering if some yahoo might shoot me thinking I was a deer. Seems to be happening more and more. Alls I can say to the shooter is don't drop the soap. So sad.....still doesn't top the kid who arrowed his buddy to death though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 This is more a warning to hunters than a complaint - but three-fifths of all males of Northern European extraction have red-green colorblindness to some degree. The thing that others need to be aware of is that Blaze Orange is the same color as Grass Green to me - make all the arguments you want to on the basis of wavelengths and stuff, it's perception that counts. And more specifically, it's the perception of the color-blind guy with a .30-06 three hundred yards away that counts. Blaze orange will not protect you from being shot by a color-blind hunter, and there are a lot of us out there. Especially if you're wearing what you think is "camoflage" otherwise, because that, being different in texture and light reflectiveness from the natural background, sticks out like a sore thumb; so what the color-blind hunter will see is the motion in the camoflage, NOT the blaze orange. If you want to shoot safely (especially if you happen to range onto my land), wear something along with your statutorily required blaze orange that's "international safety yellow" or bright blue. This subject is interesting to me because I do not experience color-blindness or even know anyone who has that affliction. I find it curious though that even someone with colorblindness would not be able to detect the brilliance and reflective intensity of blaze orange. No, they may not see the color the way others do, but it's hard to understand how something as bright a blaze orange could ever look like trees and foliage.Hey, but then what would I know......I can see blaze orange just fine. However, just because there are people that cannot see B/O as distinctively as others does not diminish the value of wearing it. Yes, it may be just one weapon in the arsenal against hunting accidents, but it is an essential one. Defensive hunting should not end with just wearing B/O, but, it definitely should include it. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I could care less if someones color blind or not. You don't need to see color to tell a human being apart from a critter. I get so tired of these excuses for hunting accidents like this, THERE IS NO EXCUSE! The only time I could ever see someone getting peppered on accident is during a three man bird hunt and someone swinging too far on a bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dance.and.shoot Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 This is more a warning to hunters than a complaint - but three-fifths of all males of Northern European extraction have red-green colorblindness to some degree. The thing that others need to be aware of is that Blaze Orange is the same color as Grass Green to me - make all the arguments you want to on the basis of wavelengths and stuff, it's perception that counts. And more specifically, it's the perception of the color-blind guy with a .30-06 three hundred yards away that counts. Blaze orange will not protect you from being shot by a color-blind hunter, and there are a lot of us out there. Especially if you're wearing what you think is "camoflage" otherwise, because that, being different in texture and light reflectiveness from the natural background, sticks out like a sore thumb; so what the color-blind hunter will see is the motion in the camoflage, NOT the blaze orange. If you want to shoot safely (especially if you happen to range onto my land), wear something along with your statutorily required blaze orange that's "international safety yellow" or bright blue. I'll tell ya right now, being colorblind does suck. it's rarer for women to be colorblind, but I am. I've told my friends almost this exact same thing, and no one really understands. If we're completely colorblind, we don't see any color...it's all black, white, and shades of grey...be careful. people need to think about that. i've had 19 years to deal with the fact that i'm colorblind, i've learned to accept it and adapt. i've taught myself different ways of finding people who are in the hunters orange. it's different for everyone. my way works for me, doesn't work for my dad... colorblind people need to realize that just because we have a harder time seeing things doesn't mean we have to be less careful because we'll get away with it. no, we've gotta be twice as careful and twice as aware. if they don't wanna do that, then they shouldn't be going hunting... just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I get so tired of these excuses for hunting accidents like this, THERE IS NO EXCUSE! One of the primary rules of hunting safety is to always be sure of whats behind your intended target and only shoot when there is no possibility that something you don't intend to shoot is not in the line of fire or within ricochet range and location. Sounds pretty good doesn't it? And if everybody went by that rule, there probably wouldn't be hunting accidents. So, how do we do that? Well, on organized shooting ranges, we mow down every piece of vegetation anywhere near the target, We bulldoze up huge earthen backstops to catch any and all of the lead. That is the only way of making sure "of whats behind your intended target" or in any way in the line of fire, ahead of or behind the intended target. Nothing short of that is fulfilling that safety directive.......nothing! Now think back on all of your hunting shots and think about how many of them met that criteria. In addition to that, think about those Realtree ads on TV that show just how effective some of today's camo is in concealing other hunters (perhaps back in the trees behind the deer that you are about to fire at). So "no excuse"?? Yes, almost all of the time that is true. but unless you do all your hunting at a prepared target range, there is always a possibility for hunting accidents. We can recite all the hunting safety jargon that we want, and it might make us feel good, but just remember that hardly anyone really abides by all of it to the absolute letter. That's why it is also essential for each hunter to take some defensive steps themselves to try to minimize the chances of getting shot. By the way, just to emphasize the above, I have seen on four separate occasions, hunters in the gun deer season here in NY, in full camo (B/O is not mandatory), some complete with camo face paint, hunting on some super heavily pressured state land. These are the ones that I have seen because they happened to be walking. How many of these jerks have there been over the years that I have not seen because they successfully blended into the background. You've heard of "suicide by cop? Well, I think this may be a good attempt at "suicide by hunter". There is no way that such idiots could be that stupid. They must be trying for the result that could likely be expected..... on purpose. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I had a guy hunting without blaze orange in PA years ago. A doe came between us and when I picked up my binoculars to take a closer look I saw him move. He was there since before daylight. I climbed down and asked him what in the world he was you doing. He said, "Its OK, I saw you up there!" I just shake my head and wonder what people are thinking at times. You have to hunt defensively these days. Years ago I hunted in deer drives, but gave that up because of the too close for comfort incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 All the particulars make no difference nor do they justify the shooters actions. Pretty simple really you never shoot at an unidentified target or at just movement, there is no excuse for this type thing happening. The victim was clearly in the wrong for being somewhere he should not have been and should have to deal with that but that is not something he should have gotten shot over, this was totally avoidable. This type of shooting should never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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