The_Kat Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hunting Violations Alleged in Fatal Shootingposted 10/27/09 10:04 am COMMENT | A sheriff says a deer hunter who was shot and killed and the man who fired the shot were violating hunting regulations at the time of the incident in southeastern Oklahoma. Latimer County Sheriff Israel Beauchamp said that while the shooting appears to have been accidental, criminal charges could arise from use of a high-powered rifle during a hunting season intended only for muzzleloaded firearms. He also said the two Hartshorne men weren't wearing orange safety clothing and neither had a hunting license. Beauchamp said 44-year-old John Morgan was shot and killed by 69-year-old Jack Zearley while they were hunting deer about 6 p.m. Saturday in the Gowen Mountain area. I went to college at Eastern Ok State College maybe 20 minutes from where this occured. I read on anothe forum that the guy killed was shot in the neck with a .270. Sounds like murder to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpcNape Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hate to hear this happening anywhere, but I really hate to hear it happening in OK. I worry about his every time I go hunting. Even though I have private hunting land, we still get poachers. I'm afraid one of them are going to do something stupid, that's why I carry a pistol with me when I hunt. These "accidents" seem to happen more with those hunting illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hate to hear that. Shot in the neck. Kinda sounds like murder to me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 not wearing orange is asking to get shot. two hunters without licenses are called poachers. so, a poacher with a 270 shoots a guy without orange on. sounds like a lawyers dream here. who's wrong?? actually, who is the wrongest is the question. sorry someone had to die, but it sounds like trouble is waiting to happen in this scenario. the cops must be going crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Oh they are, I just got off the phone with my buddy Dwayne a local officer. It's a big mess. I worked with several officers in Latimer county when I was an officer at Wilburton. They'll get to the bottom of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Two guys out poaching and one turns up dead? Thinking there is probably a lot more to this story than the authorities are willing to release at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 All kinds of laws were broken it sounds like. What a shame and tragedy. Could have all been avoided if orange was worn and they followed the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Thats been on the news this week...... Hang him by his toes. Even if it was an accident.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMSD5 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 about the same thing happened here last year. man was shot and killed....a deer hunter on a draw hunt in a federal reserve shot a person walking threw the woods on the way out to the lake to work on duck blinds...o.k. man was not be be in the area. hunter should have had positive i.d . on target before pulling trigger... the fact is a person is dead. who was at fault? i feel both were. this is really troubling to me because the man that fired the trigger was my cousin. he has hunted all his life and i know his dad told him many times to never pull that trigger until you have positive i d...it happened and now families have to suffer.just remember once that trigger is pulled there's no stopping it, and it hurts....have positive i.d. on your target and beyond every time you hunt with what ever you hunt with... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Here's my take on it. If you are above the age of 18 and you are caught with a consenting boyfriend/girlfriend, it is automatically statutory rape even if it wasn't rape. If you are caught with a handgun in NYC, you get a year in jail no exceptions (I disagree with this one). My feeling is that if you shoot someone (absent a true accident--ricochet, bullet travels through a deer and hits someone 1/2 mile away that you had no idea was there) then it should be decreed murder with a mandatory 25 to life sentence. There is no excuse for this. Unless you are wearing a deer costume then the person who shot you didn't identify their target, didn't aim, and didn't even show the slightest standard of care. Lock them up. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 We had a 16 year old kill his 20 year old friend the other day with an arrow. I think it was the 16 year old's first time hunting and when his buddy came back to get him, he shot him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I wish they'd quit calling these incidents, Hunting "accidents" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHunter Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 ya know...I feal bad for the guy but all these accidents seam to be happening when people are violating some sort of a law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I wish they'd quit calling these incidents, Hunting "accidents" Yep, me too Steve. This sounds to me more like a "poaching shooting", nothing at all to do with hunting and maybe not even accidental. When someone commits to intentionally squeezing the trigger on an unknown target there is no accidental matter about it, think it should be more appropriately termed negligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csimon Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 doesn't sound like an accident to me either nor should it be called an accident. people really need to take gun safety more serious and i.d. what they are shooting at and what is around their target.:hammer1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layin on the smackdown Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I just don't understand it, and i will probably never understand it...Why in the H*** does someone shoot at something they cant identify? As a hunter, don't all of you like to know what you are shooting at, in terms of buck, doe, fawn, maturity etc.? I sure do...I won't shoot unless i know what i am shooting at is a mature buck, or a doe fawn or adult (fawn does are tasty!)...Next question...How do these people know where to shoot? If you can't see it, much less identify it, how the heck do you know where to put the pin, cross hairs, or sights? Oddly enough, these idiots seem to have an amazing ability to make kill shots on things they cant even see...i find that a little fishy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I just don't understand it, and i will probably never understand it...Why in the H*** does someone shoot at something they cant identify? As a hunter, don't all of you like to know what you are shooting at, in terms of buck, doe, fawn, maturity etc.? I sure do...I won't shoot unless i know what i am shooting at is a mature buck, or a doe fawn or adult (fawn does are tasty!)...Next question...How do these people know where to shoot? If you can't see it, much less identify it, how the heck do you know where to put the pin, cross hairs, or sights? Oddly enough, these idiots seem to have an amazing ability to make kill shots on things they cant even see...i find that a little fishy... I'm with you Dan. There's some freakin idiots out there that will shoot at a moving bush in a second apparently. I can't imagine shooting someone, short of them walking into my view in late hours on all fours with a deer suit and a big rack. No doubt some of these cases over the years have been nothing short of murder. How in the H#!! does a person shoot another guy with a bow!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 As a hunter, don't all of you like to know what you are shooting at, in terms of buck, doe, fawn, maturity etc.? I sure do...I won't shoot unless i know what i am shooting at is a mature buck, or a doe fawn or adult (fawn does are tasty!)...Next question...How do these people know where to shoot? If you can't see it, much less identify it, how the heck do you know where to put the pin, cross hairs, or sights? Oddly enough, these idiots seem to have an amazing ability to make kill shots on things they cant even see...i find that a little fishy... Would seem those guilty of these shootings don't know what they are shooting at Dan, and would also seem that they probably don't care. Afraid those folks who are involved it this type of thing maybe let their excitement get the better of them and either they have no self control or they never learned gun safety or a combination of both, idiots is a nice word for them and it is really too bad they don't kill themselves rather than hurting others. In this world today too it is really pretty crazy, figure some folks just don't have the kind of respect for life that most of us here have, really is very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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