VABuckSlayer Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I shot Muzzy broadheads for 17 years until I bought my Bowtech. I couldn't get them to fly very well at 310 fps no matter how much I tried to tune them. I ended up shooting the Rage 2 blade that year and smoked a doe. It worked great. That being said... I still don't trust them and found a couple fixed blade heads that work great. Innerloc Falcons and Slick Tricks. Both fly great out to the 60 yards I practice. The Tricks smoked a nice buck for me this year and I'm hoping to put one of the Falcons thru a deer before the season is over. I'm a fixed blade man and doubt I'll ever shoot a mechanical again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerkiller11 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 My dad shot a 4 point and got a clean pass through and put a big hole in it's ribs,He also shot spitfires and liked them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whttlbucksteve Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I use the two blade Rage,two days ago I shot a 4 pointer at 20 yards slightly quartering away.It was a heart shot that went clean through the off sholder.The deer didnt go 20 feet befor falling over.It left the best blood trail I have ever had from any broadhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesse8953 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) The rage commercials state "rage get your game or your money back" Anyone tried to get there money back? Don't know how hard it would be,but people should start trying to get ahold of rage and take advantage of that offer.I shot a 6 piont with a rage 2 blade,deer went about 80 yards and crashed.I was kind of disapointed on the blood trail but we did find the deer. Edited November 19, 2009 by jesse8953 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdavis Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I think a lot of people are quick to blame their broadheads when they hit a deer and are not able to recover it. I'm sure there are cases when they may malfunction and not open but in my experiences with them they almost seem to open too easy if anything. I've shot 7 or 8 deer with the Rage heads and I've had great results, 2 of which I hit in the shoulder. If a deer is hit "perfect" it really shouldn't even matter if the broadhead opens, they still have a cutting diameter of close to 3/4" inch which is more than adequate to quickly kill the deer. I wonder how everyone can be so sure they didn't open when the majority of them didn't recover the deer. The blades can actually close after exiting the deer, similiar to the spitfires, I think a lot of people see this and assume they didn't open on impact. I'll continue to shoot the Rage's until they disappoint me which I don't see happening anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I think a lot of people are quick to blame their broadheads when they hit a deer and are not able to recover it. I'm sure there are cases when they may malfunction and not open but in my experiences with them they almost seem to open too easy if anything. I've shot 7 or 8 deer with the Rage heads and I've had great results, 2 of which I hit in the shoulder. If a deer is hit "perfect" it really shouldn't even matter if the broadhead opens, they still have a cutting diameter of close to 3/4" inch which is more than adequate to quickly kill the deer. I wonder how everyone can be so sure they didn't open when the majority of them didn't recover the deer. The blades can actually close after exiting the deer, similiar to the spitfires, I think a lot of people see this and assume they didn't open on impact. I'll continue to shoot the Rage's until they disappoint me which I don't see happening anytime soon. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 The rage commercials state "rage get your game or your money back" Anyone tried to get there money back? Don't know how hard it would be,but people should start trying to get ahold of rage and take advantage of that offer.I shot a 6 piont with a rage 2 blade,deer went about 80 yards and crashed.I was kind of disapointed on the blood trail but we did find the deer. I asked for my money back in the fall of 2007 after having a 3-blade not open on a doe. I told them that I was a die-hard Grim Reaper Broadhead fan but wanted to patronize a local company from Wisconsin like the Rage. They refused to give me a refund and would only exchange for new broadheads. I asked them why I would want more broadheads that I didn't trust. They had no answer and I still have the two unused heads. I refuse to sell them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bucknasty Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 When they do work right, they leave a devastating hole. My cousin can't help but put bad shots on deer all of the time so he swears by them. I cant get the same penetration out of them as my magnus stinger buzzcuts. Also, I've had trouble with them not deploying. I'll stick to the fixed blades. Oh yea, for anyone who was thinking about trying them, I think the new bloodrunners are the worst products I've used in a long time. The pretty little things come all to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I shoot Muzzy's and have never had a problem with them...just like I've heard others say about their Rage broadheads. So theres no difference right...well every type of broadhead will do damage and unless it has an explosive tip on it what happens after it enters the animal is still pretty much up for grabs. Yeah we try to hit the animal perfectly but very few shots are "Text Book" perfect. That broadhead most of the time has to deal with hitting bone and with any broadhead that will change direction of the arrow shaft changing the damage it does. Also most of the time the animal is in the process of dropping from the sound of the shot which also changes the amount of damage done. It may be more damage or it may be less..but nobody can predict which it will be. A couple of opinions about the major differences between the Rage and Fixed Blade broadheads... With a mechanical you dont have to be as specific with arrow construction or bow tuning. With everybody jumping on the Rage bandwagon it has driven down the cost of fixed blade broadheads that never have a problem opening. The biggest impression made on me about the differences between the 2 was the opinion of a Rage broadhead shooter who had trouble recovering a deer which he did find: "I thought I get more out of it for what I paid" At what point does anyone buying a broadhead think that the more they pay for something buys them a Miracle? Get caught up in the latest and greatest thing that comes down the road every year or so and then wonder why the waters did'nt part and deer fall dead at your feet...sorry to inform you but that does not happen for anyone even if you pay twice what other people do for your broadheads. Everyone will have their favorites based on the success they have and their individual confidence level in their equipement. One more thing before I post this and lay my head on the chopping block: Something can get lost if it goes out of sight. All it has to do is go far enough that it gets to a place you dont look for it and no matter what broadhead your shooting you still wont find it!!! The best thing you can have is determination when trying to find a deer you've hit with any broadhead...even with that it is not a 100% gaurantee that you'll find it. P.S. I'm starting a retirement home for all of your Muzzy 100gr 3 blade broadheads you switched from to use a Rage broadhead...lol Even though my Muzzys kill just as many deer as your Rage do eventually I'll lose enough arrows in the woods to put your old discarded broadheads back into action and the pump station of future dead deer:clown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 The deer was almost directly broadside(quartering to if anything) and according to Kyle, the Rage exited at the front shoulder. There could be a lot of things that caused this, maybe I deflected off a limb(near impossible), maybe I hit bone causing the broadhead to deflect or maybe one of the blades didn't deploy. I don't know. Wha? Explain that to me. Quartering to and the arrow exited the front shoulder? Sounds like the magic Kennedy bullet. Was Kyle on the grassy knoll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I can speak from experience here Chris, Kevin is probably not in the mood for jokes. :crutch: I know I'm not after losing a possible "best buck ever". But I can't blame it on the broadheads either. I've lost a deer using the Rage 2 blade. I've also harvested several deer with the Rage. I lost one last Sunday with a Montec, but 4 doe this year fell to my Montec. Shot placement. A field point will kill a deer if it's put through the heart/lungs/liver area. Shot placement is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I can speak from experience here Chris, Kevin is probably not in the mood for jokes. :crutch: I know I'm not after losing a possible "best buck ever". I'm not joking. I'm asking an honest question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 But I can't blame it on the broadheads either. I've lost a deer using the Rage 2 blade. I've also harvested several deer with the Rage. I lost one last Sunday with a Montec, but 4 doe this year fell to my Montec. Shot placement. A field point will kill a deer if it's put through the heart/lungs/liver area. Shot placement is key. Yep. I've lost an antelope using a Rage 2 and have lost a whitetail using a Muzzy MX-3. In both instances it was due to shot placement. The antelope wasn't the one I was aiming at (the wind gusted and the doe I was aiming at moved simultaneously as I triggered the release and I hit the one to her left in the leg) and the whitetail was hit slightly high (top of the lungs) while hunting out of a ground blind. I have no doubt she bled profusely internally but because of how high the entrance and exit wounds were she wasn't bleeding much externally. The point is, I can't blame it on either broadhead and will continue to shoot both. Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bghunter777 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I would have no problem sending a field point through both lungs. People who tell you they shot a deer perfect and didnt recover it due to broadhead failure are simply lying! Maybe not with intent they themselves may believe the shot was perfect. Its impossible to double lung a deer have it run 250 yards then jump it 8 times find the broadhead completely factory glued shut ect ect ect. we all know how these storys go. The Broadheads open trust me its like a door on a hinge it has to. The momentum of the arrow slowing rapidely often times slams the door shut or in our case the broadheads blades. Rage broadheads are definately an advantage from old mechanical designs the entrance hole is enough to convince me to switch. I shot Rocket for years and LOVED these heads. Yes they still kill deer as dead as they always have. But I changed with the times and am a Rage User now. I believe they are a better head. That being said hunting and product choice is part of the fun of hunting. We do owe it to the animal to take it as cleanly as possible. There are very few bad decisions in equipment for hunting these days with practice and more practice there is not a bow arrow broadhead combination on the market that will not kill a deer effectively. Shot placement is everything! But Rage make it nice when human error comes into play and you dont get the best shot placement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I'm not joking. I'm asking an honest question. Wha? Explain that to me. Quartering to and the arrow exited the front shoulder? Sounds like the magic Kennedy bullet. Was Kyle on the grassy knoll? Maybe try asking without sounding like a sarcastic AF then. :yes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Maybe try asking without sounding like a sarcastic AF then. :yes: Kevin's got tougher skin than you, DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Kevin's got tougher skin than you, DB Maybe, still does not take away from your "sarcastic AF" tone though. DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Not to interrupt here, AF and DB , but the only thing I see wrong with the Rage is the promoting of BAD shooting decisions. The ads give the message that the head is foolproof. Trouble is some fools will take bad shoots with that message in mind. I think the manufacturer of Rage mechanical heads should include a disclaimer stating good shooting ethics when using their product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowTech292 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Kyle I'm gonna back you man, I was thinkin' bout get'n some too. But too much negative talk ,not enough positive. MUZZY been good to me for years, never ever trailed one 100 yrds. let alone 200. I did buy some of the BloodRunner's, haven't shot a deer yet with them though. Killed one this year, didn't have the BloodRunner's yet, MUZZY got it done again.....40 yrd. recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Not to interrupt here, AF and DB LMAO Tom's being a girl today. I'm done. Sorry if offended you Kev. Tom, I'm not sorry DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 LMAO Tom's being a girl today. I'm done. Sorry if offended you Kev. Tom, I'm not sorry DB. I'm just sticking up for my buddy Kevin. Not offending me at all. Maybe 5 years ago it would have, but now I just consider the source..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Oh yeah, before you get your pants in a knot: ---> <--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Oh yeah, before you get your pants in a knot: ---> <--- 5 years ago, no smiley would put my pants in a knot, but not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Not offended here. Not sure on the shot either. I never saw the exit, just the entrance. If what Kyle is saying is true, then the only thing I can decipher is one of three things. 1, I hit a limb. 2. The blades on my rage malfunctioned or 3. I deflected off bone. I shot a doe about 5 days earlier and she was completely broadside. When I went to pick up the arrow it was covered with guts. No blood on it at all. I had heard the doe crash, so I was fairly sure she was out for the count, but I had no blood trail at all. Walked to where I had heard the crash and found her. Entrance was right behind the shoulder, exit was low paunch. Now I thought the doe was completely broadside, but I thought after seeing the shot placement that maybe I was wrong. I'm still not certain on it. My main problem is that if I continue to shoot mechanicals, there will always be a "what if". I know my Rage had troubles staying on the O-ring and I've wondered what one blade opening prematurely would do to my arrow flight or what one blade not opening would do to the arrow direction inside the deer. But now that I've gone to fixed blades(strikers), I won't have that what if. I'm not saying my misfortune was due to Rage broadheads. I'm not sure what went wrong to be honest. I just know that shooting mechanicals is just another thing that can go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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