Stinger-Hunter Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You're all paranoid if you think I work for the police or for PETA - look at my profile. Just looking for "not-so-sanitized" posts. Or a bit of humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt or be Hunted Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 BTW - I'll buy you a beer if you can tell me which buck you see below that may not have been taken... :angel1: #2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Sting, I agree with you to an extent on people camoflauging their faults on here....however I think it's on a broader range than just hunting ethics in general. I think alot of people act fake on here. They don't cuss on here but in the real world the cuss like sailors, especially me. They are the first ones to point a finger at someone, when off the board they've done the same thing or worse. Thats the glory of the internet. You can be what you want to be....and for the most part nobody can ever tell otherwise. I think the majority of the folks in here act like themselves ....but as I've stated in my first reply....there are more than a few fakes and holier than thous that visit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 The_Kat, I appreciate that. I am not even trying to cast aspersions, just wanted to ask the question. I love this forum. Everyone is very supportive and as a community, have excellent info. It should be acknowledged that everyone is not a saint all the time, everytime and I don't think it is a negative thing to, on occasion, acknowledge it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) Shot a few minutes early or later than legal- I don't know, probably but not on "purpose", lol...just worked out that way, lol. Put more shots in your shotgun tube than the state allows- Nope Shot something out of season- Actually yes, I shot chipmunks with my bow, does that count? I think I shot a squirrel once too when I first started to bowhunt, he was annoying the crap out of me, maybe 1991 timeframe, I have since asked for forgiveness though Shot something and then bought the tag for it later - Or - used someone else's tag Didn't tag it at all- Nope Trespassed on purpose, even if it was just to look-Nope Didn't wear orange when you should have - even after you were in a treestand- Okay, I won't answer that one, lol. Illegally parked your car- Yep, do it all the time here in Okinawa, lol. Drove on public land to get a deer instead of dragging it-Nope Shot a deer, then dragged it to the road and put blood on your headlights and told the police you hit it (yikes) - anything.-Nope Does this make me any less than a hunter or an "ethical" hunter? Do you feel better that I answered this thread "honestly". Maybe the ban happy folks will ban me now for telling on myself, lol. Actually folks, this guy has a point and I see what he is saying. I am sure, too, that lots of members on here did something that they weren't supposed to do while afield. But at the same time, it's irrelevant and pointless unless you are a habitual offender. I am sure that many of us have made "oops" in the field but like I said, I think it's pointless to bring it up. JMO but then again, I have not been home to hunt for a few years. Edited December 16, 2009 by TreeStandBowHunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I'll add a couple more things and consider this thread beat to death. I seriously doubt there's a member in here that hasn't broken the law, intentionally or otherwise, I know I have. And this forum is right to discourage/forbid discussion of these things, along with bad language, bashing, etc. Things would quickly go downhill and this place would be pretty trashy. I think most folks answer posts in the way they feel is the best response, although maybe they themselves have strayed on the subject a bit, but I would'nt go so far as to call them liars. It is the net, and no doubt folks put their best foot forward in here, and maybe act a little more saintly than they are. I think your point is made, you just rubbed folks the wrong way with the way you laid it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem308 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 No Good Can Come From This Thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Glad to see you're back into hunting and posting your point. No body is perfect, but I'll bet that there are several members on here that do not go against hunting regulations and are ethical. People can surprise you sometimes. I'm not in that category even though I do try hard to be legal. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense to follow every rule all the time. Let's just say (Hypothetically)... I shot a deer once and trailed it to a neighboring farm (tresspassing) where it died 2-3 feet from the driveway. I went back, got my truck and drove to the house to ask permission to retrieve it. No one was home. Do I wait until they get home allowing the meat to possibly go bad? Or throw it in my truck on the way out? Drive through venison burgers for me please! I see just about everyone putting their better face forward in public. Ever watch a RT Monsterbucks video where the deer was gut shot and had intestines hanging out as it ran off? Nothing wrong with doing this, but a little less stone throwing would be nice to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Im glad you posted more to explain your thoughts. Im not going to say that people dont put there best foot forward on here, but here is where I stand.... When I log on and see a pic and a story about a nice buck that somebody got, I give the person the benefit of the doubt that it was taken legally and ethically. My first thoughts are "hey, thats a nice one..congrats' NOT "nice buck...what law did you break to get that one..??" Am I foolish for doing so, possibly. But if a person did 'poach' or 'questionably harvest' an animal, I will probably never know. They are the ones that need to live with the choices he/she made...Im not going to concern myself with what I cant control. Honesty is the way to go, but dont be surprised if you dont see a big difference in the way people post....because I think for the most part we have a good group of folks around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Shot a few minutes early or later than legal...nope Put more shots in your shotgun tube than the state allows...nope Shot something out of season...nope Shot something and then bought the tag for it later - Or - used someone else's tag...nope I have plenty of tags. Didn't tag it at all...NEVER. Trespassed on purpose, even if it was just to look...Nope I have my own land and want the boundaries respected. So I do the same. Didn't wear orange when you should have - even after you were in a treestand...Orange not mandatory in NYS. But I wear it when I do drives with others. Illegally parked your car...Yup...always when taking Mom or Pop to the Dr. Getting them closest to the door is my priority, not parking regs. Never when hunting. Drove on public land to get a deer instead of dragging it...Nope do not hunt public land...ever. Shot a deer, then dragged it to the road and put blood on your headlights and told the police you hit it (yikes) - anything...Your kidding here right? My bow comfort zone is 35 yards...that is it. 20 with the recurve. I have 3 sons who are all Lifetime hunting and fishing licensees as am I. I raise them to follow the letter of the law every time we hunt and in life in general. I am the outcast with some of my neighbors I socialize with by our hunting camp. I report all my kills, tag all my deer and follow the letter of the law. I am without a bow kill buck since 2004. I hunt in a place where there are antler restrictions(3 on a side). I cannot tell you how bad I want to shoot another buck. But I can tell you all of the restricted bucks I have let pass in the years. I hunt private property and I know I could shoot it, butcher it and be done with no evidence...but that is not how I like to ply my sport. I really value this sport of OURS and would be way too embarrassed to face ANY charges of illegal activity regarding hunting or trapping. I still have to look in the mirror. I am not perfect, but when it comes to hunting...I toe the line. Now if you asked if I ever left work early without telling my foreman...guilty as charged:surrender:...but it was to hunt so it was OK...How'd ya like that rationale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) Some folks on here are BIG time fake, but you can easlily see who those folks are. It's no big secret. Am I that obvious??????????? :hammer1: Thanks for coming back and explaining yourself a little better Stinger. If we are going to be truthful here then I'll say this, I'll never get on here and say what all I have done illegally. I will say this however, I used to be ("used to be" being the key phrase) a big time outlaw hunter. It was the way I was brought into hunting. My dad did it, so that's what I was taught from the age of 13 to about 18. A group of us got caught by the GW's one time and my dad realized it was time to get away from the outlaw crowd. Since then we have leased our own land and I haven't broke any hunting laws since (to my knowledge). What all we did in that span of 5 years will never be broadcast here because for one now that I look back on it, I feel very ashamed and two, to be honest it's just none of your business. JMO here........or is it a lie? Group hug???? :group: Edited December 16, 2009 by Dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Everything about this thread is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I'm glad you came back and explained your original post too. For the record, have I "bent" the rules on occasion? The answer is yes, like maybe hunting a minute or two past legal time. I've commonly shot things like coons out of season, but that's legal if they are causing property damage. As far as not wearing orange, or trespassing, no, I can't remember any instances like that. I can remember shooting a deer in early bow season, tagging it and not checking it because all the check stations were closed, so instead of letting the deer rot, I took it home and butchered it and never checked it. So there's a clear case where I was legally wrong, but ethically and morally right. I think it's safe to say everyone has bent a rule from time to time, like others have said, nobody's perfect. Am I a scofflaw, certainly not, and I can say that with complete honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I am sure, too, that lots of members on here did something that they weren't supposed to do while afield. But at the same time, it's irrelevant and pointless unless you are a habitual offender. I agree 100% that is why I asked the question - I do not believe that anyone on this Forum is an unethical hunter - certainly not a habitual offender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 One more thing: About the last scenario (dragging a deer to the road and wiping blood on the headlights, etc.). Yes, I was joking OMG. However, after hitting a deer on the road a few years back the state trooper was looking over the deer and said he always checks for suspicious holes in the dead deer in that area because someone actually tried to do that. That's is where I got the idea as a JOKE scenario. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 . Back to the scoop: I just noticed that people I have hunted with - in 4 different states do not always follow every rule. I've hunting in groups where we party-hunted (me included), for example. Not only that - but everyone (EVERYONE) in the towns that I have visited admits it openly. However, you don't hear about that on this forum. Can we admit it here without getting into trouble? I don't know. Maybe everyone is afraid that they will get into legal trouble or their neighbor will find them on here saying they crossed over a fence into their property or something. Who knows. So I began to wonder what the deal was - if I didn't post the absolute truth, then others didn't either. So, in effect - Yes, you are right, I've not followed the ethical route everytime - but I do consider myself an ethical hunter. I've thought long and hard about staying out 30 minutes later and have - but didn't take a shot or didn't get the opportunity. But you won't here about that on here - because everyone is taking the "Holier than though" approach. Myself included. I think, to a certain extent, that is a good thing since new hunters will often brag about trespassing and shooting deer on someone else's property (hello, illegal) and those hunters (after being bashed) do not hang around. For those who asked what my point was - I believe you were lashing out because you probably, like me, have skirted the law once or twice and were confronted with your ethical persona being outed. I'm not looking for admissions, though - just a bit of humanity. We are all human. On this forum, we act like we are all saints. And the point of the post was to see... to break up the monotony of the ethical answers. I theorized that many answers on here were sanitized before being posted. I wanted to see if that is the case and you have proven that they are. When athletes give the canned responses - it gets boring and we all like to hear someone tell the truth (and then bash them for it) No doubt we are all human, I cannot recall anyone here claiming to be a saint. As far as impressions members give off by how they post "holier than thou" as someone said, maybe some members here might really be "so much cooler online", but I really cannot think of anyone that would give me that impression. Me I am who I am and I am not going to lie or deceive anyone as I have to look myself in the mirror each day, I have nothing to prove to anyone. Your post title and remarks in how you posted was obviously taken as offensive by several members. As to the questions, like Tominator said I am sure I have on occasion bent one rule, probably without even knowing it. I try to know and follow the regs as best as I can, but sometimes things happen. I have never deliberately done something illegal. That said I did once track a deer I shot late in the afternoon with a ml'er onto a property I had permission on and I got turned around in the dark after following tracks in the bottom on my hands and knees and got lost and ended up a couple properties over where I did not have permission. I actually posted that story here a few years back, I have no problem admitting I am a human being and I screw up from time to time. Think you need to maybe be a little more careful not to read into these type things and pass judgement on others, and think it in poor taste to paint a picture of folks being unethical just because it has been your experience elsewhere with those you are around. I do however agree with some of your points. When it comes right down to everyone at times in their life has done something they have been ashamed of, is it wrong for them to not want to broadcast it to the world? I don't think so, everyone is different. I personally don't think it lying if a person never tells a story they don't want revealed, if the same person ridicules another for doing the same thing they had once done then that person is a hypocrite, that is on their conscience but it still does not make that person necessarily a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Stinger, do you need an address to send my prize? I am also glad you came back to explain your thread. As a sportsman, a word that many people have a hard time defining, I make every attempt to play by the book. I have admitted that I have shot a minute or two late and trespassed knowingly. For the record there was only one instance of knowingly shooting past time while hunting a field edge with my bow. Not to say I didn't knowingly stay a bit longer than I should have at times. I have trespassed a few times onto absentee landlord property to recover deer right next to where I hunt. The farmer who works the ground has no problem with it. I know plenty of those scofflaws you are talking about. We have those types here in numbers. Especially, the shots in the dark and the drive deer and vehicles wherever they please types. I also know of people who trespass and hunt and who kill and don't tag. I called the warden on one of these clowns some time back and he got caught. As far as I know he is still up to no good. The gang he hunts with has that outlaw attitude to start. Unfortunately, there are too many with the scofflaw attitude. These types are greedy to say the least and don't have any ethics. "Morally retarded" as Buckee might say! As for telling the truth on the forums I try to be as up front as can be and tell it just like it is. I have no reason to BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Just mixing it up a bit huh....basically stirring the pot....not interesting enough on here for you? I'll admit you are creative.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILSNIPER1 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I've always found it funny that no matter what type(s) of forum(s) you are a member of, it's always the post that are "trying to stir the pot" that get the most attention & replies!? Ask for everyone's thoughts on some new gear & you get 1-3 replies.. start some crap & you get 7+ pages of replies & all is forgiven & group hugs all around?? Some of you have me very confused!? Good Luck, Phil B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Ask for everyone's thoughts on some new gear & you get 1-3 replies.. start some crap & you get 7+ pages of replies & all is forgiven & group hugs all around?? Some of you have me very confused!? Good Luck, Phil B. Ever heard of sarcasm? I haven't forgave anyone because I don't hold grudges, so there's nothing to forgive here. The group hug......again, sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Maybe it's time to lock this post before it gets worse? Irregardless of the point or pointlessness of this topic, it's on the verge of getting out of hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Maybe it's time to lock this post before it gets worse? Irregardless of the point or pointlessness of this topic, it's on the verge of getting out of hand... Turkeygirl, irregardless is not a word. :rockon: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6sixpoint_nobrows Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 well that got nasty for a bit guys, glad things came around and we can all be friends again lol. touchy subject though. . lets all get along.. be safe, hunt hard Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Turkeygirl, irregardless is not a word. :rockon: Just can't get your spoon out huh?:poke::boxing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterbobb Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 well we had our little fun, but honestly on a serious note i need to confess something,, yes yes its true i did have an affair with tiger woods:surrender::yes: I almost fell out of my chair laughing with this one. This might be the funniest thing I've read in months. :gun2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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