HuntingInMaine Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that the three largest Islamic countries have had women heads of state (Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh), while the same can't be said of the three largest Christian countries. [/ QUOTE ] The above mentioned countries are the biggest violators of women's rights, even when they had women in charge of the countries. I don't care what their religious texts say, that isn't the way they follow them!!! Women must get their husband's permission to work and travel (even to a local store) and their husband can divorce them with no reason. A women's word in court is worth only half that of a man's. Doweries are still required by most men's families and his wife will be tortured and even killed (and they will call it a "kitchen fire" and the police will look the other way) if her family can't come up with the demanded money. If a woman is raped, she must have four MEN in good standing testify on her behalf or no charges will be filed. And while she is at the police station she will be ridiculed and humiliated by the people who are suppose to be protecting her! The end result is that the woman is charged with committing adultry! Here is a quote I found from the Quaran: [ QUOTE ] "Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other and because men spend their wealth to maintain women. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those women from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. They if they obey you take no further action against them. Allah is high, supreme." Holy Quran. Sura 4:34 [/ QUOTE ] If this is what you mean by men and women being equal, I think you need to look up what the word equal means!!! A daughter can only inherit half of what a son will inherit. The compensation for the murder of a woman is only half that of a murder of a man. Over 2,000 women a year are victims of fatal or disfiguring acid attacks for alleged improper behaviour. A rapist can sometimes marry the woman he has assaulted and avoid prosecution. This saves the family's "honor" and the woman's life. The result is that the rapist is now allowed to rape his victim repeatedly, with the blessing of the court system!!! In Egypt, female genital mutilation is legal. Because this is a family forum I will not go into details, but this is by far the worst thing that could ever be done to anyone! (PM me if you want more details) Wife beating is so prevalent that most wives see it as a normal part of marriage and social workers have to spend much of their time just trying to convince victims that what their husbands are doing is unacceptable. If a woman leaves the house with her face uncovered she runs the risk of being beaten or having acid thrown in her face. This is what the great religion of Islam is doing for women!!! I could go on and on about the things that are being done to women under the guise of Islamic religion, but it is just too depressing for me. I don't care if they had a "token" woman as their leader, they didn't do anything to help women. It isn't that these women are getting a little teasing on the job, it isn't that a man was hired instead of them, it isn't the other trivial things that women in countries such as the USA have to put up with. These womens' lives are in danger, they are walking a very thin line, and are still beaten, tortured, and killed for no reason!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Re: Miracles Dang Seg, that do sound tempting but I think Ill stick to my heathen religion.I look silly in a turban and Im to chicken to be a good suicide bomber.Id probably pull up with my truck full of explosives and get out running down the street screaming like a little girl, it would reflect poorly on all of you.Since you wouldnt tell me what the Qur'an has to say about these terrorists acts Im still under the impression theyre part of the religion.Death to infidels and all that.I dont think its really for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] They just get upset when the guy whistling isn't the one they wanted to be doing the whistling. If it was Brad Pitt doing the cat calls and such, I am sure that most wouldn't get as indignent as some do. [/ QUOTE ] Amen to that one !! I discussed this with someone who is in my Gender and Society class a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am no Brad Pitt, but I was looking at pictures of myself from after Basic Training, and I am amazed at how different I look now, I was thinner and stronger, but all that time driving a truck " beefed " me up, I feel I am a decent looking guy, but the weight problem is what would hamper me, anyhoo, if I were to catcall a girl at school, which would be a big nono since I am an employee of that school anyway, I would probably get a nasty comment and probably a slap, but the guys at the school who are athletes could do the same thing and the girl would probably come over and treat them like a king. I've never made a catcall, at least out loud anyway, cause I am shy by nature but I also feel it is demeaning to the girl in question. I would rather be nice to all of them and treat them all the same, I just may look at some of them a little longer than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] I would rather be nice to all of them and treat them all the same, I just may look at some of them a little longer than others. [/ QUOTE ] LOL Just make sure you aren't gawking with windows nearby....you wouldn't believe how many of you men have been caught checking women out by a reflection in a glass door or window! Very good thing to treat everyone the same, people who don't practice this risk missing out on meeting a lot of great and interesting people! Besides that person you made fun of in school could be the interviewer for that killer job you really want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10acboy Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Re: Miracles zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz oh I'm sorry, did you have something important to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] I don’t support the involvement of US in any country and I also fell angry of the situation in Iraq and Philistine “Land without nation to nation without land" [/ QUOTE ] Then move. I heard the Middle East is aways taking traders! If you don't support US involvment in other countries then you DO NOT SUPPORT THE US MILITARY! Get out and stay out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: Miracles That's something I don't quite understand either. If you don't support freedom, then why do you live in America. And you didn't answer any of my questions. Especially the one about Jesus. Who does Islam suppose him to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: Miracles Let me add some more to this. Although I do not agree with everything this administration did either, I will always support it because it is my proffesional duty to do so. Yes, I have my conflicts with the US going in to Iraq, especially when our job isin't done in Afghan but to say you DO NOT SUPPORT US involvment in ANYTHING, is saying that you do not support the US military and is a BLOW to me and other service men and women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: Miracles I support you Mike ...and I'm a Canuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted October 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] Especially the one about Jesus. Who does Islam suppose him to be? [/ QUOTE ] If you really wanted to know, Islam recognizes Jesus and the virgin birth. He's a link with a quick description of the Qur'an's teaching of Jesus... web page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: Miracles I would have a big problem with a religion that doesn't renounce those chicken++++ terrorists. The leaders need to speak out totally against them, and help to get the message out that such actions will not be tolerated, or Allah will strike them down. Rise up to them yourselves, and help out a little here, instead of trying to convert outsiders who are really trying to understand what the **** is going on with all of this. How can you expect people to openly embrace such stupidity? That is almost like us hunters telling the world that if they don't start opening up a little more to hunting, we will impose bad consequences on them! That is a foolish way of thinking, and not the proper way to go about things. And, as was already stated,I'm sure alot of you don't hold the carbombing type of beliefs, but you need to join together as a huge unit, and strike out against the foolishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles I knew that HuntingInMaine ..LOL ..it was a loaded question. You see, on one hand they recognize Jesus as a prophet of God, but denigh him as the only begotten son of God. They also denigh his salvation. On one hand they call him a prophet and on the other hand they call him a lier. How can a prophet be a lier. He either is God in the flesh or is a lier...which is it. You see how Satin works. He uses 90% truth and throws in that 10% lies to change the truth to a lie. Jesus died for the sins of the world. When he was on the cross, his last words were "It is finished". He did it all. Anyone coming after him claiming to be a savior or preaching a different gospel is a lier. Case closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles Dude go away, don't go away mad, just go away. Get out of the country that I and so many others are fighting for and live in some other country. Go join your little...................over in the Middle East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles Seg, Youve totaly ignored any reference to terrorism in these threads.By not speaking aganst it your really making it look like you condone it, and the rest of the Islamic faith is doing the same. Personally, Ill never judge anyone on thier religous beliefs alone.Its not that important to me really who anyone worships.Remember a little incident a few years ago where a bunch of airplanes were highjacked and a bunch of innocent people were murdered when they flew these planes into some very big buildings?What I really want to know is, what you thought of that personally, dont give me any links to any of you sights, dont give any more crap about Allah or whoever it is you worship, and dont tell me this didnt give the US the right to go after these scumbags wherever they are at in the world.Just tell me your personal feelings on this.You dont like whats going on in Iraq, did you like it better when Saddam was still in power?Im not even gonna pretend to understand all the little religous groups in that country but how many peoples deaths was he responsible for?Did you really think the world was a better place with him in power?Any moron can go in any place and post links and quotes from anything but if you cant share your personal views on things related to the subject, you really aint all that interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles From one of your links [ QUOTE ] one of your intelligence agents, Monica Lewinsky [/ QUOTE ] LMBOROF ... soooo, Monica is an Israeli intelligence agent eh ...I think I've heard enough Man, you sure are good at copying and pasting. Do you have anything to say for yourself ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] LMBOROF ... soooo, Monica is an Israeli intelligence agent eh ... [/ QUOTE ] Buckee...you didn't know that? Where the heck you been man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles Seg/Troll leave this site or Ali will not have your 24 virgins waiting when you die. Elwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] Seg/Troll leave this site or Ali will not have your 24 virgins waiting when you die. Elwood [/ QUOTE ] LOL now we're just getting mad. I just don't understand why if you were a supposed hunter, you would join this site, and only make posts on one thread. If we wanted to be muslim we would seek out information on our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: Miracles Hey Seg..I got something for you... EAT PORK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] Buckee...you didn't know that? Where the heck you been man [/ QUOTE ] Well, ya know...I kind of figured she was an agent of some sort or nuther. Just were'nt too sure about it till now ....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] You see how Satin works. [/ QUOTE ] I can't wear or use anything made of Satin, makes me chafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: Miracles touche slugger ... good eye..LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: Miracles seg,...Off the subject here, but you say you hunt with modern weapons. Which weapons might they be and what do you hunt ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] Bush principle either you with me or against me. Analyzing and thinking is not allowed. [/ QUOTE ] That's not true and you know it. That sounds like something the Kerry campaigne might say...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: Miracles [ QUOTE ] I am not parrot I have my choices I have a brain I am not a follower. [/ QUOTE ] Well then since it is clear none of us want to convert, or have you preach to us why don't you talk about somethin we can all relate to like hunting. Tell us a story, ask a question, just don't preach. If someone wants to learn about muslims they will seek out information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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