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This is from the 30th edition of the Gun Traders guide.

Firearms under the private label names of Western Field and Hercules are made by such firms as Mossberg, Stevens, Marlin and Savage for distribution by Montgomery Ward dept stores.

My book shows no model 712

The most expensive model present in the book is the model M780. It came in .222

Grading... nib=$223 ex.=$197 good=$146

Hope some of this helps.

BTW...this should be in the rifle room.

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Daddy has a .222 in his gun cabinet that I've never shot, it looks a lot like that one. Don't remember the make. I need to check it out, just out of curiosity. Seems like there was something about the bolt to where you could not mount a scope on top of the rifle and used to have a side mount scope on it years ago.

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I can not find out the value of this gun if you know the ballpark value of this gun plese let me know i am trading it and want to find a close idea of the value before i do thanks it is a western field model 712 in a 222 caliber has a 5 shot clip i haven't been able to find any info out about it

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Just my 10 cents worth here, but that gun appears to have had been made by Mossberg. I just happened to have had a friend that owned on just like it a few years ago and tried to pawn it off on me.

I did a lengthy investigation into the origin of the rifle and the value. Several people I know, owns gun stores and is gun smiths and all of them were of the same opinion.

The gun is worth on average about $150.

The clips are no longer made and no longer available and if you loose one, the gun no longer has any value as anything more then a single shot. In some cases the clip is worth as much as the gun.

When manufacturers were to embarrassed to put their own name on the firearm and they made them for such discount stores as Montgomery Wards, Sears, Western Auto, they usually had the poorest in workmanship and materials.

There is no real chamber pressure issues with a .222 and you can almost shoot a shell out of a piece of pipe and nothing would happen.

The problem is - when people believes that they have a valuable piece of history when in fact all they really have is a old piece of junk, conflicts erupt. In my case, I took the boys word that he was going to come back for his rifle in a couple of days. The other side of the coin was that he had already took it to several gun dealers. Most gun dealers on a trade of pawn will only give you half of what the gun is worth. In that case it would have been $75 for his rifle.

I lent him $300 and he had no intention of coming back to get it. In the end, his girlfriend wanted to buy him a birthday present and felt sorry for him and came to my house and bought the gun back for exactly what he had borrowed against it. I was actually out a couple of dollars for the time that I spent removing the rust and corrosion and the time and money I spent trying to have the gun appraised.

I have sold guns - way too cheap in the past for ones that I felt was of no value and I tried to get too much money for guns that I felt was valuable, but had no value when other people sell's the same gun for less money. So I cannot call myself a gun expert, only experienced.

A few years ago, I sold a Model 88 Winchester .308 rifle with the serial number 3636 in Mint Condition, it was still in the original box and had a 4 power scope mounted to it with original mounts from that era, to a complete stranger for $500, I thought that I had made a good deal since I only paid $250 for that gun. Two years later, the person that bought it sold it for $1000 and thought the same thing.

When Winchester went out of business, the value of that gun quadrupled over night. I was not aware of the situation when I sold it.

You live and you learn.

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