Jeramie Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 My wife and I are getting our CC permit the first of the year. Im going with a Taurus UL chambered in .357 but im carrying .38 +P rounds. I was going to buy my wife the Charter arms Pink Lady in .38spcl but she is worried about the .38. My wife isnt against guns at all but she doesnt care for them. She is only carrying one out of necessity. Things are just too bad these days. I was digging through the charter arms pistols on gunbroker and I noticed they make a Trail Blazzer, same pistol chambered in .22mag. What does everyone think about the .22mag as a CC pistol? I know I could get the job done but I want my wife to have to think about things VERY little. Do you think the .22mag has enough punch to get the job done? She is seriously worried about recoil so im wanting to get a pistol with punch but one she wont be afraid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 According to winchester the mag gets 2200fps with a 28gr. bullet giving you about 265lbs of energy. The 38sp 110 gr. bullet gets 211, so I don't think energy is an issue. I might be a little concerned about a bullet of that size and speed going through an attacker and hitting someone else. As for recoil, my wife has a Glock 26 and the recoil doesn't bother her at all. She had never shot a gun before getting the Glock and she handles it great and you get 10 shots instead of 5 or 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hmmm...if you are considering placing this weapon as the last line of defense for your bride's or children's life...do you really want to guess and hope it has enough power to do the job? We aren't talking about shooting a guy so that he dies after bleeding for 45 minutes, after he has beaten your wife to a pulp and kidnapped a child for sale into human slavery. We are talking about ending a violent attack RIGHT NOW. I would not trust a .22 magnum for that at all, ever. I am a big fan of the .22 WMR for woodchucks, possums, raccoons and cats. I am a big fan of .380- and up for bad varmints of the two legged sort. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfletch7441 Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I bought JaLynn this: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=82465&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y and she can handle it just fine. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 That .38 +P is still my first choice. Thats what me and dad reload for anyway (that and .357). I may have to buy my new .357, have her shoot .38's through it, and see how it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 The 22 mag is better than nothing, but I sure would not trust that round to protect my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Think of it like a air bag in a car. If you were in a wreck would you rather have a ballon pop out or the air bag? Sure its going to hurt, but it only takes it once to save your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyThomas Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 22 Mag for CC? Not really a fan of the .22 mag. My wife has a .22. The only thing I've told her was to pull the trigger until it doesn't go bang any more. Dead bad guys don't tell lies. Most who advocate coming out the winner will tell you just about the same thing. Small calibers just aren't all that of being man stoppers unless head shot. The biggest advantage of any handgun is having one. Bad guy dont' like looking down the barrel of them. Even small barrels look like the size of 20 gallon drums and then they run. Having to fire a handgun in self defense is another story. Some regret doing it, harming another human being and some suffer being treated like they were the bad guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I would put the .22 Mag in the "better than nothing" category. But I would not feel proprly protected by one. Mrs. Strut10 carries a Taurus Titanium (model 85 CHULT). http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=316&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries= It's not a hateful thing to shoot at all....even with +P's. Bear in mind, .38 Spl loads come in a whole array of power levels. I'd feel more secure with the least of them over the most of a .22 Mag. Start her off with some .38 light loads and work her up if she's comfortable with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelund79 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Good info to you here. 22 mag if nothing else is available, but try the 38 first.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted December 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I would put the .22 Mag in the "better than nothing" category. But I would not feel proprly protected by one. Mrs. Strut10 carries a Taurus Titanium (model 85 CHULT). http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=316&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries= It's not a hateful thing to shoot at all....even with +P's. Bear in mind, .38 Spl loads come in a whole array of power levels. I'd feel more secure with the least of them over the most of a .22 Mag. Start her off with some .38 light loads and work her up if she's comfortable with it. I thought about loading some as light as I possibly could but then again youre looking at your basic over the counter .38 cheap rounds (like UMC). Im still stuck on .38 for her and this post is quickly giving me conformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfletch7441 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 and that's still going to be better than a .22 Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Would not trust a .22 mag Jeramie. While like it has been said it would be better than nothing, I would not have much faith in a .22 stopping a bad guy. Neither my wife or I have cc yet, we keep a 9 mm here in reach in the bedroom, my wife knows how to handle the gun and she shoots it well. Had looked at some new pistols not too long back in .45, wish it was in our budget right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I thought about loading some as light as I possibly could but then again youre looking at your basic over the counter .38 cheap rounds (like UMC). Not so. You can load .38's down into the 550-600 fps range. You'll have negligible recoil and a mild report. Im still stuck on .38 for her and this post is quickly giving me conformation. Good place to be stuck. Think long and hard before choosing to insure your bride with a .22 Mag over a .38 spl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 another vote for not using the 22 mag but rather the 38 spl....... My wife handles my 9mm very well these days......recoil was a bit of an issue at first but the more time she spent with the gun the better off she felt. Heck now she even will shoot my 40 cal. I am sure with time on the range your wife will be ok with the 38 spl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csualumni21000 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Try a glock 26. The small frame revolver kick alot. My wife can shoot a 26 all day long. When shooting at the range have her wear plugs and muffs. Have her attend a good fighting pistol class. Check out Tactical response. Their forum has a ladies section my wife is on. http://getoffthex.com/eve/forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Try a glock 26. If you go this route, have her handle and, if possible, shoot the gun first. My Mrs. carried a Glock 27 (same baby frame as the 26, but in .40 S&W instead of 9mm) for several years. She did not like the way the gun felt in her hands. Also.....many of the autos have recoil springs stiff enough that gals may find them very hard to bring into battery ("rack the slide"). Most women do not have near the hand strength of even a small guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Unless your wife is used to shooting...I wouldn't recommend any semi-auto for a protection gun. Revolvers are safer and easier to make go bang in an all ready scary situation. The gun is no good if she's not 100% on using it correctly. I vote for a snub nose .38 with a bobbed hammer. Chances are (at least I hope) she'll never have to use it. So unless she is into guns...she'll prob. not shoot it much! Keep it simple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csualumni21000 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 The reasoning behind not recommending a semi auto to a woman is stupid. If the woman can drive a car she is probably smart enough to be taught how to use a semi auto.If she is not able to figure out how to run a semi she probably should not have a gun. Snapper what problems have you encountered with women and semi autos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 The reasoning behind not recommending a semi auto to a woman is stupid. If the woman can drive a car she is probably smart enough to be taught how to use a semi auto.If she is not able to figure out how to run a semi she probably should not have a gun. Snapper what problems have you encountered with women and semi autos? I bought my wife a Taurus model 85 and she never even picked it up. She didn't want to shoot it. I scaled down and got her the little tip up barrel 22 and got the same results. I took her to a gun shop and we walked out with a Glock 26. She loves the thing and shoots it great. She has very small petite hands and has no problems racking the slide and says she doesn't feel the recoil. Get her what she wants Jeramie and she'll shoot it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csualumni21000 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Handgun Designs November 13, 2009 By: Jeff Mau Often times I hear people say that you should select a gun that “feels the best to you. Go to the range and shoot a bunch of guns and buy the one you like.” This is lousy advice, and often results in new shooters making poor purchases. Again equipment should be selected based on the criteria for YOUR mission (private citizen, concealed carry, LE duty, military, etc) and then evaluated based on your tactics and skills. If you have no tactics and skills then you have no reference point to make an informed decision. If your tactics and skills suck, then your equipment selection will likely suck. Body shape and size are factors for weapon selection. The biggest variation is hand size. For smaller handed shooters, single stack magazine feed handguns can be an advantage. Realistically, however, most anyone can learn to shoot any gun well. Don’t get caught up in the subjective feel of the gun. One of the most important criteria for selecting a firearm for self defense is reliability. The gun needs to go bang every time. For defensive purposes, guns should only be considered if the platform has seen years of use and millions of rounds down range. I have no interest in being a guinea pig. The latest gun design might be cool to own, but it has no business out on the street until someone else has verified it with a very large sample and lots of rounds. This generally restricts our selection to guns that have been issued to large government organizations. Additionally, firearms that deviate from their original manufacture design should be avoided. The biggest problem area is when manufacturers change the cartridge without redesigning the entire platform. For example, Glock originally designed the small frame size only for 9mm. With American law enforcement moving to .40 S&W as a duty round, Glock introduced the smaller frame size in .40 S&W. The result is a high pressure cartridge being fired out of a gun designed for the lower pressure 9mm. Additionally, to accommodate the larger cartridge, the slide, barrel, and chamber mass was reduced. The result is a less reliable weapon system, more parts breakage, and a shorter life cycle. There are very few handgun weapon systems originally designed around something other than 9mm or .45 ACP cartridges. And even fewer that have seen extended use by large organizations. Some of the platforms to consider (all in 9mm) are: Glock 17, Glock 19, Glock 34, Beretta 92FS, Sig 226, Sig228, Sig229, Browning Hi-Power, most of the H&K handguns, and the S&W M&P9 There are probably more, and I am sure I left your favorite gun off the above list. However, in our cumulative experience seeing hundreds of guns every year with hundreds of thousands of rounds down range every year, these are the guns we see with the least problems. Along with reliability, the ability to deliver fast accurate hits to your target is crucial to surviving a violent confrontation. With experienced skilled shooters and novice shooters alike, we see students shoot faster and more accurate with 9mm than any other defensive cartridge. It is quite common for a student to come to class with a .40 caliber Glock, during the course they borrow a Glock 19 and quickly learn the error in their ways. The .40 caliber Glock gets sold shortly thereafter and replaced with a Glock 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 The reasoning behind not recommending a semi auto to a woman is stupid. Ummmm..........not really. If the woman can drive a car she is probably smart enough to be taught how to use a semi auto.If she is not able to figure out how to run a semi she probably should not have a gun. Snapper what problems have you encountered with women and semi autos? Read my post above Snapper's. It's not an intelligence issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csualumni21000 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Strut are you a firearms trainer, leo or mil? What is your back ground for your recommendation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csualumni21000 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Ummmm..........not really. Explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Strut are you a firearms trainer, leo or mil? What is your back ground for your recommendation? No, no and no. My opinion comes from firsthand experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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