horst Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 i just seen on the news where the state of Iowa was apparently taken to court for not granting illegal aliens drivers licenses.Apparently they thought it was a violation of thier constitutional rights Ummmm, your in the country illegaly, you have no rights.How is it these guys can even walk into a government building and apply for these things without being deported on the spot?Scary part is they said theres 10 states that will actually grant illegals a drivers license with no social security # required.You gotta love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses DUH ..Whats wrong with this picture It's hard to believe eh. I remember a time, not too long ago, that illegal aliens hid from any government employees. Does this mean that the word "illegal" has a new meaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses YOU GOTTA LOVE IT? sorry, horst, but i hate it. know you were jesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses I think I have a solution to the problem. Give them a free one way return flight home, plane doesn't land, they get thrown out the door with no parachute. End of problem. Now that would be tax dollars well spent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest INHunterman Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses I agree with Bruce, we need to get the illegal aliens out of the U.S. They STEAL good jobs from real Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses Yep, get them all out! I don't care how many times they come up with the argument that nobody else wants those jobs...if you get desperate enough, you will take a job like that. And, if the employers would raise the rate of pay up where it should be, they will find good workers here in the good ol' U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodge4x4 Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses lol, duh! that is wrong, they have no rights, so how can they get that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] I think I have a solution to the problem. Give them a free one way return flight home, plane doesn't land, they get thrown out the door with no parachute. End of problem. Now that would be tax dollars well spent! [/ QUOTE ] Very nice, advocating murdering people who leave a rotten country to try and make a better life here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] And, if the employers would raise the rate of pay up where it should be, [/ QUOTE ] What kind of logic is that? Companies aren't in business for the employees, they are in business for the consumer. To provide a product at a value that the consumer will pay. Raising the rate of pay will do nothing but raise the price of the service causing the consumer to look elsewhere for the product and drive the company out of business causing even more unemployment. Is that what the goal is? The reason immigrants are getting the jobs is because the American workforce has decided they deserve more and more and the American consumer insists on stable , competetive pricing. The immigrant WILL work for what the fair wage for the job is and make a better living than they would at home (and in many cases work harder, take less breaks and do a much better job). This situation was caused by welfare. Poor Americans used to do these jobs but they discovered they can get paid a monthly check to sit at home and suckle off the government teat. So why work in orchards, labor industries and janitorial services if you can do almost as well for yourself if you can watch Judge Joe Brown for a living? Eliminate welfare and you'll have people fighting for their jobs and doing an honest day's work and the rest will die off and be less of a burden on society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses Deport them all and we'll see who does what for who. I am tired of my tax dollars being used to supplement the lazy and to patronize outlaws. These corporations being in business for the consumer is a farce. They are in it for the money. Ask all of those who have lost their good paying jobs to their greed. These same employees are also consumers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] These corporations being in business for the consumer is a farce. [/ QUOTE ] So is the idea that a company should pay more to get just because the workers want more. They'd pay themselves right out of business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses OKay, so lets oppress the worker for the corporations benefit! They want you to work for nothing. Why do you think they outsource the jobs overseas. It is not about free trade my friend! The rich have been using illegals for years. Do you know why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses It's all about the citizen, the average working class Joe...raising the rate of living for ourselves to where we can't afford to live. It is not about how much we make, it is about how much we can afford to spend. The more Americans make pre hour/year raises the cost of their living... WHat I am trying to say is: If I make $30K a year for a few years.. I have adjusted my spending to consume that $30K in a year...new car, new TV, new whatever...If say in another year, I get a new job and I make like $50K, I will adjust my lifestyle to eat up that $50K.. I will not put anything in the bank, I will spend more and consume more to where I am living from check to check to pay for all the new stuff I got when I made more money. So, no matter what amount you make it will never be enough because you will always adjust your spending to what you make and go over a percentage to where you live from check to check.. This may not be true for Gates type of wealth, but the average worker, it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses They use illegals because they'll work for lower wages. But, you seem to be suggesting forcing the corporations to pay more which only has 2 possible results. 1. Raise prices, putting them out of business, causing unemployment to rise. 2. Reducing the number of jobs they provide, decreasing productivity and causing unemployment to rise. While we're talking about job outsourcing, lets just concede and bring back all those low paying jobs sewing Nike and Levis jeans together. Just to be fair, get rid of all the $20 an hour jobs at Toyota, Nokia and Sony and all the other foreign based corporations that have operations here. I'm sure all those people wouldn't mind going from $20/hour down to $7/hour.. And let's not stop raping the working man by cutting his pay to 1/3 what it was, let's go ahead and raise the price of those Nikes and Levis because they cost that much more to make here and raise the price on those affordable Toyotas to cover shipping them over here on a boat. Let's make sure nothing is affordable so that only those greedy corporate heads can afford them. Rather than having menial, low paying jobs elsewhere where the workers will work for lower wages, let's bring them all here and ship out the high tech, well paying jobs so that everybody will feel warm and fuzzy about having "American" jobs in America. Make sense? Probably not because your mind is already made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses Yes sir, my mind is made up. It is made up everday when crooks with a pen writes in laws to keep taking cash out of my pocket everytime they need an adjustment to keep their cush jobs. Its made up everyday when I talk to my brother on the phone and he tells me he can't find a job for more than $10 an hour, but has to pay $1500+ a month to keep his house. Do the math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses Like Norm said, it's living within your means. I'm sorry your brother is out of work, but the jobs that are sent overseas won't pay anymore than that if they were here. I'm not supporting illegal aliens taking these jobs, but I definately don't support forcing comoanies to keep raising wages until Americans think the job is worth their time. We do need to get rid of these illegals but until somebody comes up with a solid plan, it looks like we're stuck. Your brother can get a job driving a truck. I'm making around $18/hour with less than a year's experience. 3 weeks of school, which is covered by most companies, and most are offering a $5000 sign-on bonus right now because they can't get drivers in their trucks. Illegals aren't taking our jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] Very nice, advocating murdering people who leave a rotten country to try and make a better life here. [/ QUOTE ] Slugshooter, I knew we'd agree on something someday. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Very nice, advocating murdering people who leave a rotten country to try and make a better life here. [/ QUOTE ] Slugshooter, I knew we'd agree on something someday. Thanks! [/ QUOTE ] I wasn't agreeing with you by any means. Was actually disusted, regardless of whether it was a joke or not, some things just shouldn't be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] Yep, get them all out! I don't care how many times they come up with the argument that nobody else wants those jobs...if you get desperate enough, you will take a job like that. And, if the employers would raise the rate of pay up where it should be, they will find good workers here in the good ol' U.S. [/ QUOTE ] uhh ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses here's the real point: driving licenses are a priviledge, not a right. your eyes go bad, you lose the priviledge. you get too old and have alzheimers, you lose your priviledge. you are illegal.... priviledge. not a right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] They use illegals because they'll work for lower wages. But, you seem to be suggesting forcing the corporations to pay more which only has 2 possible results. 1. Raise prices, putting them out of business, causing unemployment to rise. 2. Reducing the number of jobs they provide, decreasing productivity and causing unemployment to rise. While we're talking about job outsourcing, lets just concede and bring back all those low paying jobs sewing Nike and Levis jeans together. Just to be fair, get rid of all the $20 an hour jobs at Toyota, Nokia and Sony and all the other foreign based corporations that have operations here. I'm sure all those people wouldn't mind going from $20/hour down to $7/hour.. And let's not stop raping the working man by cutting his pay to 1/3 what it was, let's go ahead and raise the price of those Nikes and Levis because they cost that much more to make here and raise the price on those affordable Toyotas to cover shipping them over here on a boat. Let's make sure nothing is affordable so that only those greedy corporate heads can afford them. Rather than having menial, low paying jobs elsewhere where the workers will work for lower wages, let's bring them all here and ship out the high tech, well paying jobs so that everybody will feel warm and fuzzy about having "American" jobs in America. Make sense? Probably not because your mind is already made up. [/ QUOTE ] So, companies can't raise the pay rate, because that would run them out of business( In some cases that may be true, but not all cases), but it would be a sin to lower the wage of some of these high paying union jobs so we could afford to buy thier products? Don't take me wrong here, there are some people making those outrageously high dollars that do deserve the pay! But, there are also a bunch of them that just ride the union shirttails for the raises and benefits that are not so deserving. Lower some of those wages, and products in the big union shops will become more affordable! That does make sense. Some of these low paying companies are making a killing on saved wages from the illegals too, and that keeps the wage down, because the illegals will jump in without questioning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And, if the employers would raise the rate of pay up where it should be, [/ QUOTE ] What kind of logic is that? Companies aren't in business for the employees, they are in business for the consumer. To provide a product at a value that the consumer will pay. Raising the rate of pay will do nothing but raise the price of the service causing the consumer to look elsewhere for the product and drive the company out of business causing even more unemployment. Is that what the goal is? The reason immigrants are getting the jobs is because the American workforce has decided they deserve more and more and the American consumer insists on stable , competetive pricing. The immigrant WILL work for what the fair wage for the job is and make a better living than they would at home (and in many cases work harder, take less breaks and do a much better job). This situation was caused by welfare. Poor Americans used to do these jobs but they discovered they can get paid a monthly check to sit at home and suckle off the government teat. So why work in orchards, labor industries and janitorial services if you can do almost as well for yourself if you can watch Judge Joe Brown for a living? Eliminate welfare and you'll have people fighting for their jobs and doing an honest day's work and the rest will die off and be less of a burden on society. [/ QUOTE ] See my last reply, and see why these statements trouble me. And, look at the big U.S automakers right now....providing affordable products for consumers? I don't think so. The unions bargain for the pay and benefit rates, and the consumers suffer in the end, because a cheaper product can no longer be made. They are hurting now, because of it. it's a bad economy, and most people can't afford to pay the big prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses Sad thing is that some sorry attorney out there and those worthless organizations like aclu will get all over crap like this and actually support that person who should not even have been here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses The sad fact of the matter is there are some jobs Americans won't do even if they do hit rock bottom, if Americans were willing to cut tobacco and do other hard jobs there would be less homeless and shorter lines at unemployment offices. Migrant workers do the things that Americans won't do, and they do it quickly, they get in and get the job done. I once hauled a load of garbage cans from Atlanta to Springfield, Mass. The City of Springfield was ordering these cans for the curbside recycling program there, anyhoo, I had to deliver to someplace near downtown, I believe it was a city DOT office or something, no dock, no forklift in sight and all I kept wondering was how the truck was going to get unloaded, well, about 6 mexicans that didn't speak hardly any English(virtually none) hopped in the back of that trailer and unloaded it from back to front by hand in about 10-15 minutes, then went back to doing whatever else it was they were doing. Regardless of my political views and beliefs, I don't believe that an illegal alien should have any rights insofar as drivers licenses, welfare etc. etc. I believe they should be entitled to basic human rights, but if they want to enjoy the benefits of our American way of life, they should make an effort to enter the country legally, become a legal worker, they don't have to become naturalized American citizens, but they should at least have an ID number and pay taxes on the wages they make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Illegal alien drivers licenses [ QUOTE ] I believe they should be entitled to basic human rights, but if they want to enjoy the benefits of our American way of life, they should make an effort to enter the country legally, become a legal worker, they don't have to become naturalized American citizens, but they should at least have an ID number and pay taxes on the wages they make. [/ QUOTE ] Could not agree more. You are right pretty well about immigrants working. Have seen that first hand. Bad thing is many that are in the country legally will play the system and work for however many months they are allowed and then go home and turn around and come back later, just to avoid having to pay taxes. We see that in some Mexican restaraunt chains here. Not exaclty certain how the law works in that respect, but you will see a certain individual who will only be around for about 4 months or so, then they will not be around for a while, then they will be back again later on down the road. I have always heard that so long as they only stay in the country a certain amount of time they are exepmt from paying taxes so they take their money home and come back later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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