popgun Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 What a waste of good deer meat: I was reading another board recently and one of the guys was telling about his experiences. He said that on more than one occasion he had dumped a deer after killing it because he noticed a grub-like worm crawling out of the deer’s nose. One taxidermist also mentioned this occurrence just before putting a new cape into the chill-box. I am sure that dogdoc would be able to add a lot more to this conversation if he is coaxed. Although a large grub-worm crawling out of your dream bucks’ nose sounds gross, it is no reason to dump the deer. It is called a Nasal Bot Worm. From what I understand it is a fly that lays a sack on the deer’s moist nose. The deer licks its nose and breaks the sack. The small larvae crawl up into the nostril and mature into the worm. Then the worm crawls out and falls to the ground and develops further into a fly. Then the process starts all over again. The reason I am mentioning this is because this occurrence is harmless to the deer as well as humans. It is a part of the life cycle, and I hate to hear of a dumped deer. Maybe dogdoc can tell us some other things to look for, that would keep a hunter from making a mistake and dumping a perfectly good deer. I don’t want to put you on the spot dogdoc, but how about it? Can you tell us a little about tumors, cysts, and such, that we should watch for? Discussions are a little slow now anyway. …..popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Hmmmmm never heard of that. Would in no way tempt me to dump the deer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: I usually just inspect the liver and heart for irregular coloration. I never leave these organs behind like some hunters do, I always have the Warden look at them as well. I have to agree this is a waste of good venison, but would love to hear what Doc has to say, as I always do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gfourhunter Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: last year i shot a 6 point and i noticed a bad smell. the deer had been shot at least a week befor in the hind and in the leg. the deers eyes were glazed over and infected. the deer was laying in his death bed when i jumped him up. im glad i put him out of his pain but to bad he was a waist of meat. nothing i could do. i couldn't go feed that to my kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: That is too bad--that was a waste of some good meat. Nose bots are very common and do not present any danger to eating the meat! There are a few things that would keep me from eating the meat. One would be a systemic infection. This could be from an injury like gfourhunter described. When I say systemic I mean that the infection, which started locally, and spread to other parts of the body thru the blood system. A deer suffering from a systemic infection will probably act weak and depending on how long the deer has had the infection will probably look thin and undernourished. There have been some cases of bovine TB discovered in deer but is very rare in the wild population. As far as tumors--if it was a localized growth or tumor I would just trim that portion out and eat the rest of the meat. Some deer will get tumors or cyst and if the body has walled these cysts off and the rest of the deer looked normal I would not have any problem eating the meat. But if I did see a tumor I would inspect the lymph nodes, liver, and lungs. If I saw enlarged swollen lymph nodes over the entire body I would not eat the meat. If I saw growths or tumors in the liver or lungs I would pass also. If I lived in an area with CWD I would recommend just deboning the meat and avoid cutting thru any bones (to avoid the marrow) and cutting thru the spine. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: I had a doe bed up right in the farm yard a couple winters ago...seems it had been stuck with an arrow and got infected. That doe just plain smelled rotton!!! It died right in the yard, the ground was froze and we had a foot of snow,so I pulled it way down to the creek and the cyotes or wolves ate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Geesh, That would be the same as dumping your deer because it has ticks on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjones Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: that was a waste for sure! to bad missed out on all that good meat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: [ QUOTE ] Geesh, That would be the same as dumping your deer because it has ticks on it [/ QUOTE ] Yep, pretty sad isn't it buckee. It's unfortunate but it amazes me how much a lot of hunters don't know about the game they pursue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: [ QUOTE ] last year i shot a 6 point and i noticed a bad smell. the deer had been shot at least a week befor in the hind and in the leg. the deers eyes were glazed over and infected. the deer was laying in his death bed when i jumped him up. im glad i put him out of his pain but to bad he was a waist of meat. nothing i could do. i couldn't go feed that to my kids. [/ QUOTE ] Had the same thing on a Buck I shot this past season. Someone shot the buck in the hindquarter, with a .22 LR, and that portion was starting to become infected. I disgarded that quarter and kept the rest as it was okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: I shot a deer a few years ago, the butcher said it was shot with a bow earlier in the season. He said he did need to throw some of the meat away. Unfortunately I never seen this side due to the drag marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Yep, I've heard of the Bot fly doing that. One day I actually watched a doe try to rid herself of bot flies I think. She layed down and continually scratched her nose with her hind hoof, and was constantly sneezing. Weird. Anyway, yeah, that sounds like a waste of good meat. Unless the meat is discolored or smelly, I eat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHuntinPastor Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Any one else disgusted by this bot fly thing??? Ewwww!! Kinda like Star Trek Wrath of Con!! Poor deer having flies lay eggs in their noses and drop out as worms. Gross!!!!! Makes me feel a little better for putting them out of their misery to enjoy some fresh backstraps!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted February 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Thanks for the answers dogdoc, and for the comments and replies guys. This site can be an amazing source of useful information as well as an entertaining site to visit and see everyones trophies. I figure the more we can help to educate new or uninformed hunters, the less likely they will be to make some mistakes. Proves once again how good this site really is. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: popgun I dug these articles out for those that want to read more about nasal bots and deer warts from a whitetail biologist. This one is on "Nasal Bots" http://www.mdwfp.com/wildlifeissues/articles.asp?vol=9&article=138 The next one is on "Deer Warts" http://www.mdwfp.com/wildlifeissues/articles.asp?vol=8&article=115 There's probably some people on here that just don't know so there it is for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Thanks for this post. We have the TB in our area that dogdoc referred to, so I imagine that most hunters would discard any deer that looks weird. I totally agree with all the replies though, I think I know what is bad and what isn't. I had though stopped taking any internal organs home ( like Heart), just to be safe. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted February 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Wow Rhino, I'm going to save that one on Cutaneous fibromas. That is one ugly mess. Good to hear it is only with the skin. I'd have to skin one like that before bringing it home or my wife wouldn't want to eat it. Thanks for the site. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: [ QUOTE ] I shot a deer a few years ago, the butcher said it was shot with a bow earlier in the season. He said he did need to throw some of the meat away. Unfortunately I never seen this side due to the drag marks. [/ QUOTE ] Back during our deer season in 2003; I had to put a Doe down that had an arrow sticking out of her back. The arrow was 8" deep between the aorta & spinal cord. I went ahead and taged her checked her in and when I skinned her she was all infected inside. So I buried her. My Brother-In-Law a Vet. said she was dying anyway, so I did good to put her down. MADE ME SICK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Had my first experience with the nose bots this year with the doe Ikilled back in December. I had to ask Todd if he knew anything about it before I cut up the deer, and he quickly responded with some great info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Interesting. I have never heard of them either. It is to bad that guy never has either. Although I would be wondering what was up if bugs started crawling out of my deer,I would not throw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: The thing about the nose bots is that they are not usually around when the weather is cooler. It has been a mild season here and guess that is why we saw them this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: The first year we moved into our house, the nieghbors(jerks) came onto our property and surrounded a doe and shot while we were eating Thanksgiving dinner. Well after throwing them off with "their" deer we went to get the heart/liver/kidneys for eating, they are delicious! Well in the gut pile in our woods we got the heart and kidneys but the liver had these small, clearish cysts on them so we left the liver. On another note, the nose bot worm things sound just like the warbles that squirrels get. In the beginning of squirrel season, until the first major frost, some of the squirrels have warbles which are the larva living in/under the skin and when matured, they crawl out. It is pretty gross and even though the meat may be fine, I cut the meat off that is around that area even though the larva doesn't touch the meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longislandhunter Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: I never knew about. Would kinda gross me out if I saw that coming out of the nose of a deer I shot. I found such creatures under the skin of rabbits from time to time but never on any of my deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colescott1 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: Although I agree that the nose bot sounds a bit harmless, I wouldn't question those who chose not to eat the meat of deer that were previously wounded, cysts, growths, etc.... UNLESS it became a common reoccurance. In central MD, there are simply too many deer with Man being their only predator. Killing one, with the intent of utilizing the meat, only to discover abnormalities inside that made the hunter question the safety of the meat is not a big deal to me. Nothing in nature goes to waste. Fox, buzzard, etc will eat well. Be sure to tag it up properly, report it, and go hunt another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntaholic Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Re: A Waste of Good Venison: I know someone who had shot a deer with there bow and when they went to skin it the meat was green. We knew he had to have been hitten by a car becase one of his main beams had been struck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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