Ravin R10 man Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 i would not do that...stay with the quick load for carbons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHuntinPastor Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest [ QUOTE ] i would not do that...stay with the quick load for carbons [/ QUOTE ] Very much agreed. Don't give yourself any extra margin for arrow. Always use the right equipment. Good luck. Love my WB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest First off, I'd get a fall-away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest If going to be used for mostly hunting get the correct whisker bisquit. The absolute best rest for hunting situations. Don't have to worry about falling off and making noise!! If for mostly target get a fall-away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest I just kept using my originalwhisker biscuit when I switched to carbons and it works fine that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest Nope. You'll have to get a carbon Biscuit for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest No! The hole diameter is too big for carbon arrows! JMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest Heres something you might want to read..... Whisker Biscuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest [ QUOTE ] Heres something you might want to read..... Whisker Biscuit [/ QUOTE ] Ruh-ro...I was brand bashing there! I don't like them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest I love mine. The one thing i have noticed is the majority(not all) of people who bash the biscuit have never shot one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest The one I shot sounded like nails on a chalkboard while drawing. Noisy on release, wrinkled vanes, big speed loss...a few things I wouldn't pay money for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest noisy???? what the heck are you talking about. It is not noisy at all, not at draw or release. best hunting rest hands down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will never switch unless they even furthur improve it.....which I doubt they will be able to, and don't say by changing it to a drop away I will I will.........I don't know what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest The best at robbing performance. I don't understand the "advantage" of it's arrow containment ability. How easy is it to do with a drop-away? Remove your index finger from the grip and place in on the arrow. Here is a comparision a buddy of mine did on another site. He's very good with archery. _______________ -Comparison- MZE: Lightweight. Biscuit: Lightweight. MZE: There's no way for the arrow to get away. Biscuit: There's no way for the arrow to get away. MZE: Fixed blade broadheads and field points hit the same place on the target. Biscuit: Not on your life. MZE: Makes absolutely no noise on the shot. Biscuit: Dream on. MZE: Great accuracy largely due to radical helical fletch; vanes or feathers, doesn't matter. Biscuit: Speed and performance loss, and noise gain with helical fletch. Here is a few more comments he has on it.... There are a few reasons that a fall away rest out-performs the biscuit. The one I tend to concentrate on the most is point of impact. If you have ever wondered why your broadheads still don't quite group in the exact same place as your field tips even though your bow is tuned perfectly, you need to look into a fall away rest. When you change from a field point to a broadhead, you are usually lengthening your arrow by an inch, if not more. Even though the weight has not changed if you are using the correct field points, the dynamic spine of the arrow has changed. This can, and often times does, cause the arrow to flex differently as it leaves the bow when equipped with broadheads than it does with field points. If you are using a fixed-position rest on a well tuned bow, the slightly different spine flex as the arrow passes over the rest is usually what is responsible for changing your arrow group point of impact down range. The only way to keep this phenomenon from occurring is to take the rest out of the equation. A good fall away is only there long enough to hold the arrow in position upon release and then it clears completely out of the way allowing the arrow to freely flex however it wishes with no ill effect. All told, the arrow is also "free" from the bow sooner with a fall away rest and every millisecond you can gain in that department will help if you have the tendency to move your bow arm or grip when you shoot. If you have always shot fixed arrow rests and you only wish to have a better arrow holder with a little less clearance problems for hunting, then the biscuit is fine. But, if you're looking to step up to the next level, or if you do any competitive shooting, a fall away rest is your first choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest [ QUOTE ] MZE: There's no way for the arrow to get away. Biscuit: There's no way for the arrow to get away. [/ QUOTE ] I have not used a MZE, but from what I have seen if you tip the bow to much the arrow can fall off. Not so with the biscuit. [ QUOTE ] MZE: Fixed blade broadheads and field points hit the same place on the target. Biscuit: Not on your life. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong {for my set up anyways}. I did not have to adjust my sites at all when I went to G5 Montecs from field points last summer. No arrow rest will help arrow flight stay 100% the same using every brand of broadhead. I highley doubt if someone was to switch broadheads all day they would all fly the same, just because they have a MZE. Also, my biscuit makes very little noise. Not nearly enough for an animal to hear thats any distance away. My big concern about fall aways is that they are more prone to failure. My Biscuit has no moving parts. I am not saying the MZE is junk, but anything that has more moving parts is more apt to failure. The MZE is 2-3 times the money also. Not a slam, just the way I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest I have a Posi Lock biskit on my new Switchback and didn't loose any speed at all!!!! And also don't notice any noise either with my Gold Tips or my Vapor 5000s. I was sceptical at first but really like it and probably won't use anything else. I shoot 309fps with a 365 grain arrow, 15grains over the minimum wieght limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest like i said i shoot carbons through my original biscuit and it works fine-if i was buying a new one i'd buy a carbon one but so far so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest Churd. Just use the dang WB. Get what are called match point filed tips. They are the same length as your broad head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest I won't brand bash here but I will say that I owned a WB...several of them. I like them for the fact of hunting but that was it. They wrinkled my vanes, they slowed my arrow down. I can't say anything about the noise because I don't think I ever heard it. If you don't do a lot of shooting then you might not notice anything but if you shoot alot, you better buy a fletcher. Yeah, you could put glue at the ends but even still.....you are going to need a fletching device. Going to a fall away was hands down the best thing I could have done. I would try a WB and a fall away and go with what YOU like. Now to answer your question, you will need a Carbon WB if you are using Carbons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest No way I'd ever use a WB, MI. You'd have to pay me 7 figures to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest OK here are your 7 figures 0.0100000. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest I use a Whisper Disk by Golden Key Futura and it is very quiet and does not damage my vanes. Instead of bristles it has slots for your vanes to follow. I'm impressed with it. Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sagitarius Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest It depends on the carbon arrows that you are shooting. Some of the fatter linecutter type shafts will shoot fine out of an aluminum biscuit. As a matter of fact we have switched customers to the aluminum biscuit because they were shooting the carbon one and it was too small and really goofing up the flight. But if you are shooting a small diameter carbon go with the carbon biscuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Re: Question about Whisker Biscuit Rest I have heard many people use a alum. sized biscut with carbon arrows with no problems. I personally would use the carbon sized biscut, and I do, for my bow and arrow set. Simply awesome. JMO I have heard several guys say the exact same thing as Chrud had said. Personal experiences and I can't say they were wrong. I was not there. But its my belief they did not have something right or adjusted correctly, or a bad set up in one way or the other. Its also my belief they are basing there poor experiences on using the old all black biscut. The old all black biscut did cause speed loss (2-5 fps) and vane damage over time. This is NOT the case with the B2 biscut. I have tested for myself, with a chrono, and have had zero speed loss; biscut vs. 2 prong style rest. I have heard zero sound while drawing back, I have never seen and arrow fall off even while bow was up-side-down. I use the Whisker Biscut Quick Shot Delux with B2 biscut. Easy set up and tuning. Some little known facts about the biscut is that it eliminates archers paradox and "sling shoots" an arrow into spinning 100x fasters. This is all due to the slight resistance of the vanes threw the whiskers. I am sure it was not the inventors original purpose to do but accidentally makes an arrow more accurate nonetheless. I am quite sure they were solely looking for "the arrow will not fall off the rest" benifits. JMO 1st benifit, arrow will not fall off the rest... LOL 2nd beni, it eliminate archers paradox instantly, given that one understand archers paradox, the resistance of the vane makes the arrows energy transfer from the nock end of the shaft to the tip in an instant vs the oscilation of the shaft back and forth or known more as archers paradox. 3rd, the resistance whips the arrow into a spin 100x faster then air can do so, given the arrow has a offset or helical fletching, thus giving the arrow instant stability caused by the spin. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Air vs. whiskers; the higher density material will make the vanes spinning effect react faster. Use what you like, and I never bash anybodies choice of product, but give the WB a seriuos look if your shooting for hunting practice. I personally would use the rest for compitition but I do not compete. I only shoot to hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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