Jeramie Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I bought a Ross Cardiac this past year and had an arrow blow up. I was shooting a GT 5575XT and it snapped just in front of the fletching. http://www.realtree.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89166 Goldtip told me I was underspined. I looked it up on their website and apparently I was but it couldnt have been by much. Ive always shot the 5575's. Anyway, with this new bow I had to step up in arrow size and weight (easton 340). It really slowed everything down. I still thumped a small buck with it this year but I would like to pickup some arrow speed and close my pins in a little. I thought about dropping the weight of my tip and downsizing my arrow but I really dont want to get into flight troubles so im open for suggestions! Setup: Ross Cardiac set at 27.5" Arrow length is 28.5 insert to nock. Drop away rest 100grn tips and BH's, blazzers or duravanes/ wraps Suggestions?! and just so you can all drool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 What is your draw weight and arrow weight? As far as being underspined, Jeramie I shoot a DXT at 27" with arrow length 25.75" (yes, that is correct) and have yet have an arrow do what you said. I would look at shortening your arrow if possible, and lose the wraps and see what happens. Plus I'd stick with the GT's, but that is just me. I THINK the Easton's are a little heavier but may be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Im pulling the full 70lbs. I would love to go back to the 5575xt's They are my favorite shaft. However, the spine isnt right. I think I can drop the tip weight and go back to the 5575 or shorten the arrow if I remember correctly. I dont have the chart in front of me. Again, I dont want to mess with my arrow flight though. Ive always shot 100grn tips and about the same length of arrow. Going shorter or lighter at the end may cause some flight troubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I shoot 70 lbs 28" draw and I've shot everything from a 29" inch arrow to a 26" arrow in the 5575's. Those arrows shouldn't be underspined. If I was you I would cut 2 inches off the tip and shoot them. That will pull you back up into the .400 spine group as they show it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Just read your last post.................if you don't want to cut them then cut 2 of them down and shoot them to see how they fly. If they fly good, which they will, then cut the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Get ya a dozen Easton Epics in 340s I believe and you'll be fine. I'm 28 inches shooting 70 lbs with the 340s at around 28.5 inches and never had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 If he is wanting speed those are not the way to go. The 340's weith 9.5 grains per inch where the Goldtips Hunters are 8.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Get ya a dozen Easton Epics in 340s I believe and you'll be fine. I'm 28 inches shooting 70 lbs with the 340s at around 28.5 inches and never had a problem. That is actually what im shooting. I also bought the FMJ's and only shot them once.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Just read your last post.................if you don't want to cut them then cut 2 of them down and shoot them to see how they fly. If they fly good, which they will, then cut the rest. That seems like a TON to cut off. I wonder where that would put me on the shelf? I have always shot 28" but we put on the 27.5" mod on this new bow. At first it was a little short but after some stretching its now on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I cut my arrows about a 1/2 inch in front of the rest most times. I like mine short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 That is short! Mine is hanging over the shelf right now. The BH doesnt come anywhere near the shelf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 So here is a question? If I can switch back to Goldtip 5575XT's..... Would I be better to cut to 28" and shoot an 85grn b'head or stay at 100grn and cut the arrow to 27" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 To me I would stay with 100's and shorten them. You can do either but you already have all the points and broadheads to be setup with 100 grains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I cut my arrows about a 1/2 inch in front of the rest most times. I like mine short. Same here Hutch... Some dont really like the idea of the broadhead above their hand, but I come from the days of the huge overdraws where the broadhead sat over your forearm...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Same here...............Old school short, light, stiff arrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyThomas Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I need speed?! I've read and seen many blown up arrows, some pics show the arrow still sticking in the shooter's hand, BUT some of the arrows mentioned just were not under spined at all. I fully believe the vast majority, if not all, were damaged somehow. I've been shooting carbon arrows for 10 years and have yet to have one blow up. I know of some shooting arrows way underspined and have never had a problem. CXL 150s are not spined for a 70 pound bow, but two guys are shooting them. However, they have been breaking them off in some hard 3D targets when trying to pull them. If you can get a CXL 150, no longer used that this, have a 100 tip in it and give it slight whack against 2X4. The arrow will snap clean off just like glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Same here Hutch... Some dont really like the idea of the broadhead above their hand, but I come from the days of the huge overdraws where the broadhead sat over your forearm...lol I use to shoot those old overdraws too... The only reason im not crazy about it anymore is because of fixed blade BH's. Sometimes if they arent turned just right you may have contact with the riser/ shelf, etc...I looked on Ebay last night for Goldtips. Ill probably pickup a dozen and have them cut short to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I've read and seen many blown up arrows, some pics show the arrow still sticking in the shooter's hand, BUT some of the arrows mentioned just were not under spined at all. I fully believe the vast majority, if not all, were damaged somehow. I've been shooting carbon arrows for 10 years and have yet to have one blow up. . I think most carbon issues are from damaged arrows. I typically roll test them after so many shots. I have seen arrows snap off in targets too. In the older bows ive shot say 15-18 years ago it wasnt as big of a deal. However, with the equipment they are making these days its pretty dang scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Sometimes if they arent turned just right you may have contact with the riser/ shelf, etc...QUOTE] Most, if not all the time that is a setup issue with the rest. Either the center shot is not set correct or your height is not centered with the berger. I have shot many styles of rests and have always shot fixed blade broadheads and never seen an issue if set up properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I am shooting 27" draw arrows are 25.75" long with fixed blade bh's and have never had a contact issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I have no doubt my stuff probably has some setup issues. Ive set my own stuff up for years. There are some bow shops in my area but ive never had one set me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Just cut them off dang it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted February 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Yes Sir Mr. Dwin.... Where you been man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Just cut them off dang it. Welcome back Dwin!!!! Where the heck ya been?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 If your looking to speed up your bow get a dozen Easton Lite speeds. Get them in 400 spine and cut them off as you go, figure out what length they fly best for you and then cut the rest of them off at that length. Just remember to use hot melt and not gorilla glue or any kind of super clue/ cement. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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