OJR Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT Think about this: I didn't think of this! Most of us haven't thought about this no matter how much we like or dislike John Kerry. WOW! Those figures have to be staggering. Not to mention paying the Clinton's $10,000 per month rent and associated cost for agents. Then there is Carter, Gerald Ford and W's father, the first George Bush. The latter two only have one home, the first Bush has two and, for the moment, W has only his ranch. Read this and think about the cost of Kerry as President. Five homes and some overseas! Wow??? We tax payers cannot aford him. Read on! Subject: You will pay upkeep/Secret Service for 5 Kerry mansions. It is good to be John F. Kerry....... The F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered. (I didn't know that) He is one of the richest Senators in Government. When someone is elected president, it means the Secret Service has to protect the President and his family as well as his property. The Kerry's have five US properties not counting the several foreign properties they own too. The cost to run these homes are more than what the average American could afford, even if the rent was free, and all you had to pay the water, gas &electric. Including ground keepers, maintenance, pool, and house keepers. To be President would require the taxpayers to pay for all that now if elected. Including a complete staffed Secret Service security 24 hours a day. In addition to that we will have to pay for each of their homes for security improvements even if they never go to them all, that is, that just in case. Who do you think will pay for all this? We Pay! This takes all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us. Nevertheless, factor another major cost to Americans that Kerry does not want you to know about. Becoming president would automatically include taking care of all their properties with Secret Service Agents that includes 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days of the year for the rest of their lives so long as they own those properties. It comes with being President, once you are elected. It requires us the taxpayers, to pay for this as well as his annual salary, as well as his retirements including the cost of living adjustments to boot, plus salaries and protection for all their real estate property, plus Secret Service Agents, and pay the bills for the rest of his life. In addition, feed the Secret Service Agents and rotate new ones every 6 hours for the rest of his life. Do the math. Five properties need to be protected. This requires five Secret Service Agents per shift, daily every six hours, per property! That is 20 Secret Service Agents per day per property everyday including Holidays. Wow, what does that cost? Lets say an average of 20 agents per property, each earning a about $60K per agent to survey the perimeters and protect. Now times that by five properties so far. That is if the Kerrys do not buy any more properties afterwards. This also includes the Agents vehicles and repairs, gas, meals, days off, paid vacation, and medical plan visits etc per agent. Who pays? YOU pay, the whole time they are alive after becoming President! Is this the best use of our tax money electing Kerry to take care of all their properties, both foreign and domestic? On the other hand, shouldn't he pay for his own? Yet, the Presidential salary could not afford it. The more I think about paying for Kerrys properties everyday, just makes me happy keeping President Bush all the more merrier. Without raising taxes to boot. How on earth would Kerry pay for everyone to have Healthcare, increase our military, and have us pay to protect his investments, all without raising our taxes? Tax and spend Kerry is his party motto. Which really has to make you wonder why anyone with his wealth, would take a salary of that of a U.S. Senator, never mind wanna be President? Do you believe now why he needs to be the Prez? To serve the people? On the other hand, the people serve Him and his wife! Please pass the Mustard and do America a favor and pass this to your friends, lets keep Bush a resident in the White House, and not have to protect another Kerry house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! Had honestly not thought about that either. Bet the Clintons are presently costing us more than both Bush's. Caught part of a interview on CNN the other day and they told about Kerry's family, was kind of interesting. Marrying into wealth is nothing new for Kerry men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! I don't have a problem with Kerry being ultra rich and having a bunch of mansions. But I do have a problem with him trying to portray himself as the common, working man, when in his heart of hearts he thinks he's so far superior to you and me that its not even funny. Bat pukey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] Had honestly not thought about that either. Bet the Clintons are presently costing us more than both Bush's. Caught part of a interview on CNN the other day and they told about Kerry's family, was kind of interesting. Marrying into wealth is nothing new for Kerry men. [/ QUOTE ] Where do the Clinton's even figure into this, honestly, the Republican party needs to stop running like they are still trying to destroy the Clinton's. He served 8 years, even though everyone seemed to hate him, his wife was elected to the US Senate, even though everyone hates her, and he balanced the budget and created a surplus. Get in the now GOP, the Clinton era is over. And for all those who say Kerry is gonna raise taxes, where do you think Bush is gonna get all the money to pay for his wars and rising Defense spending and rising deficit, even his oil buddies don't have that kind of money, but the American people, paying taxes as a whole, do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! Think this post was about the costs related to catering to the needs of our current and former leaders. The Clintons have exploited the presidency more than any other to the best of my understanding, in the end putting that burden on the taxpayers. That said, it is a realtively small amount and will always be part of securing our nation whoever the current and former leaders may be democrat or republican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! The difference is Bush is still the President and we are paying for his mistakes and will be paying for them for awhile. The RNC is still running against Clinton and brings him up every chance they get, there wouldn't have been so much money involved investigating the Clintons had the RNC not tried to turn everything they did into -gate this and -gate that and tried to destroy him every chance they got. You don't see campaign ads with Reagan, Bush sr. , and Bush Jr. all together and them tearing them down. The campaign ad for Richard Burr here in NC running against Erskine Bowles for Senate has more references to Clinton than Bowles. Doesn't matter, cause Burr isn't going to win anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! "He served 8 years, even though everyone seemed to hate him, his wife was elected to the US Senate, even though everyone hates her, and he balanced the budget and created a surplus." You forgot the recession he put us in; turning the White House into a branch of the Playboy mansion; lying to us and Congress; creating the atmosphere for 9/11; turning down the opportunity to capture/kill bin Laden four times; and so on and so on. But, other than that he was a good president. (cough, cough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] creating the atmosphere for 9/11; [/ QUOTE ] That statment is pure BS the atmosphere for 9/11 has been around since carter was alive and well through regan, bush sr. and clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] turning down the opportunity to capture/kill bin Laden four times; and so on and so on. [/ QUOTE ] Pure fiction. The opportunity was brought up by someone trying to make money off the US Government. All leads were followed and turned out to be bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] creating the atmosphere for 9/11; [/ QUOTE ] That statment is pure BS the atmosphere for 9/11 has been around since carter was alive and well through regan, bush sr. and clinton. [/ QUOTE ] Aaron that is your opinion. I happen to agree with oldksnarc on this. I think the way in which Clinton handled things did lead into the mentality by terrorists and some foreign nations that Americans are weak and that we would just cower down to terrorist acts. Think they figured wrong. btw, on Reagan, after Carter I think the perspectives changed as he was viewed as a much stronger leader, and think that was pretty evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] btw, on Reagan, after Carter I think the perspectives changed as he was viewed as a much stronger leader, and think that was pretty evident. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read the post named world war three??? it was pretty blatent in the regards to terrorism, i believe regan lossed a few marines under his watch??? I dont see any rebuttle in there about him bringing said people to justice. Regan may have been a strong leader but he didnt do anything to prevent terrorism, in fact if ya look at iran contra he may have facilitated them.Regan won the cold war by putting military spening into a whole other world, and that is fine, but he didnt use any of that military strenght to battle terrorists, who where commiting acts against US citizens for the duration of his presidency. None of the presidents i posted about above did anything to fight terrorism, and The current bush didnt do anything either untill 9-11. You are both chanting the party line by blaming the ex-president first when the blame should be placed apon all previous presidents and to some part us as citizens for not making terrorism more of an issue instead we sat back and watched these events but since they didnt strike closer to home we acted shocked and then went back into sleep mode. Im going to point it out to you real clearly here during regan this is what happened, all with little or no intervention [ QUOTE ] In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept. Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 [/ QUOTE ] This are all under regan yet you as the the person who wrote this email did, all ascertain that this is clintons fault??????? LMAO we've been bending over and grabbing our ankles for the terrorists since carter period. we are all at fault, trying to blame one person is just kissing the elephents you know what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] btw, on Reagan, after Carter I think the perspectives changed as he was viewed as a much stronger leader, and think that was pretty evident. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read the post named world war three??? it was pretty blatent in the regards to terrorism, i believe regan lossed a few marines under his watch??? I dont see any rebuttle in there about him bringing said people to justice. Regan may have been a strong leader but he didnt do anything to prevent terrorism, in fact if ya look at iran contra he may have facilitated them.Regan won the cold war by putting military spening into a whole other world, and that is fine, but he didnt use any of that military strenght to battle terrorists, who where commiting acts against US citizens for the duration of his presidency. None of the presidents i posted about above did anything to fight terrorism, and The current bush didnt do anything either untill 9-11. You are both chanting the party line by blaming the ex-president first when the blame should be placed apon all previous presidents and to some part us as citizens for not making terrorism more of an issue instead we sat back and watched these events but since they didnt strike closer to home we acted shocked and then went back into sleep mode. Im going to point it out to you real clearly here during regan this is what happened, all with little or no intervention [ QUOTE ] In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept. Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 [/ QUOTE ] This are all under regan yet you as the the person who wrote this email did, all ascertain that this is clintons fault??????? LMAO we've been bending over and grabbing our ankles for the terrorists since carter period. we are all at fault, trying to blame one person is just kissing the elephents you know what. [/ QUOTE ] I pointed out the same thing Aaron when it was first posted, but they seem to think everything that happens to this country is the fault of Clinton or Democrats. I'm surprised they don't blame Vietnam on Clinton since he didn't even go over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! You are entitled to your views and opinions as I am. My thoughts and what I was getting at is that the world, middle east and terrorists included, generally viewed the United States differently with Ronald Reagan than they did with Clinton or Carter. I think the perspectives of the United States has also changed with President Bush. That is my own opinion. As far as Clinton in Viet Nam sluggo, he was too busy getting high chasing skirts. Oh wait he did not inhale. Had he been there, maybe he and Kerry might have put an end to our soldiers killing and raping all those "innocent" vietnamese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] As far as Clinton in Viet Nam sluggo, he was too busy getting high chasing skirts. Oh wait he did not inhale. [/ QUOTE ] a big differance to bush who was blowing coke and chasing skirts I would like to ask the people who lost loved ones during the reagn adm. to terror, what they think of his effort against terror, i think they would laugh at you above statment. My opinion is your spouting the party line and nothing more, there is no way to look at the numbers posted above and come to your opinion objectivly. He may have ended the cold war but terror against americans was alive and well during his adm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] creating the atmosphere for 9/11; [/ QUOTE ] That statment is pure BS the atmosphere for 9/11 has been around since carter was alive and well through regan, bush sr. and clinton. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. It wasn't all the current Bush's fault as Kerry and the Democrats tried to make it sound during the intelligence and 9/11 Commission hearings. But, Clinton did turn down the opportunity to capture or kill bin Laden at least 4 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] I pointed out the same thing Aaron when it was first posted, but they seem to think everything that happens to this country is the fault of Clinton or Democrats. I'm surprised they don't blame Vietnam on Clinton since he didn't even go over there. [/ QUOTE ] And that's different than Kerry and the dems blaming everything (hurricanes, recession, economy, corporate scandals, flu vaccine, and so on) on Bush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] creating the atmosphere for 9/11; [/ QUOTE ] That statment is pure BS the atmosphere for 9/11 has been around since carter was alive and well through regan, bush sr. and clinton. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. It wasn't all the current Bush's fault as Kerry and the Democrats tried to make it sound during the intelligence and 9/11 Commission hearings. But, Clinton did turn down the opportunity to capture or kill bin Laden at least 4 times. [/ QUOTE ] You must have missed the post a few up from this one. The story of the Clinton Admin getting an opportunity for Bin Laden was pure BS. The tips were started by someone trying to get money out of the government, all leads followed, all dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! Blame Bush blah blah blah. LMBO. You know what, plywood and steel prices are through the roof just like fuel. Blame Bush for that too right. He is gaining in the lumber and steel industry too see. It is all a great big conspiracy. Bush admits he was not so innocent in his younger years, he has not made a mockery of our nations highest office as clinton did. I personally still believe that our nation was viewed to be much weaker while clinton was in office. I may be wrong, but my opinion is that perspective has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] You must have missed the post a few up from this one. The story of the Clinton Admin getting an opportunity for Bin Laden was pure BS. The tips were started by someone trying to get money out of the government, all leads followed, all dry. [/ QUOTE ] Not according to Dick Morris, Clinton's political advisor during his term of office, who would have first hand knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You must have missed the post a few up from this one. The story of the Clinton Admin getting an opportunity for Bin Laden was pure BS. The tips were started by someone trying to get money out of the government, all leads followed, all dry. [/ QUOTE ] Not according to Dick Morris, Clinton's political advisor during his term of office, who would have first hand knowledge. [/ QUOTE ] Dick Morris also let a prostitute listen to a private phone conversation between himself and Clinton, I wouldn't trust a dang word he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! [ QUOTE ] Dick Morris also let a prostitute listen to a private phone conversation between himself and Clinton [/ QUOTE ] At least Clinton associated with people much like himself . Priorities huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted October 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Re: What You Don\'t Know, Can Really Hurt!!! It might not be as much as was claimed but if it is more the 25 cents it is too much to protect him!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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