Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Carl got a slap on the wrist, just a 3 race probation. NASCAR coming out and saying that they were going to cut the guys loose was a main reason for not punishing him more severly like a fine or suspension. NASCAR also said that the issue wasnt as much Carl wrecking Brad as much as it was Brad being flipped up in the air.... maybe this will make them look at taking that wing off. They are pretty much at 3 short tracks in the next month, hopefully they'll get that part worked out. They also are planning a meeting between NASCAR officals and the owners and drivers involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 From what I have read and heard Carl is a pretty boy with a camera in front of him and a jerk in real life. He should have gotten worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Brad got what he deserved, someone should have done that to him long before now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 If NASCAR has a problem with what Carl did, then they should have never cut the drivers loose. How can you punish someone for doing something you gave them permission to do? There is no way Carl thought, hmmm Im gonna flip him over. He just wanted to send him around and it didnt go the way he wanted. maybe this will make them look at taking that wing off. They are pretty much at 3 short tracks in the next month, hopefully they'll get that part worked out. I agree, go back to the spoilers. Those wings not only look dumb but they give those cars major lift when they stick them into the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 If NASCAR has a problem with what Carl did, then they should have never cut the drivers loose. How can you punish someone for doing something you gave them permission to do? There is no way Carl thought, hmmm Im gonna flip him over. He just wanted to send him around and it didnt go the way he wanted. I agree, go back to the spoilers. Those wings not only look dumb but they give those cars major lift when they stick them into the wind. I think that is why he didnt get a fine or suspension. They said have at it and when someone does they cant punish someone for it but being under probation he wont be able to do what he did last race or he will see a fine or suspension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 NASCRAP wimped out again. Carl should have been suspended for at least 1 race. He is too much of a wimp to settle it like a man, and instead sucker punches him at 185 mph. Lucky he isn't facing manslaughter charges. DUMB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 You should have been there! This incident happened directly in front of us. My wife, daughter, son in law and two of my grandchildren and me. It was downright scary watching that car lift up and over and sliding up the track the way it did. Some spectators did get hit with flying debris but it could have been a lot worse. We were sitting four rows up in the stands and had a ring side seat. I have been a fan of Carl's a long time but can honestly say I lost a lot of respect for him after this incident. Someone could have been badly hurt or worse. NASCAR is about racing. Not a melee like an out of control hockey game! Mr. Edwards should be suspended for a couple races, both drivers sat down and talked to, and if it continues they should sit out the rest of the season. Racing is a passion of mine but I never want to see anyone hurt at the hands of an intentional dumping like I saw. This was a blatant assault on another driver. I came away very thankful it wasn't one of my family who got hurt. We went to the race to have a good time, which we did. We weren't looking to see someone get taken out like that. Nuff said! Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 NASCRAP wimped out again. Carl should have been suspended for at least 1 race. He is too much of a wimp to settle it like a man, and instead sucker punches him at 185 mph. Lucky he isn't facing manslaughter charges. DUMB. And if that had happened (all aside from Brad getting killed) Yall would be saying he shouldnt be a hot head and just let it go or say that he shouldve wrecked him instead of fighting him. Wether he wrecks him or fights him it dosent look good on Nascar either way. There is no right answer to this.... Brad tapped Carl, Carl wrecked Brad, its been going on that way for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camoman1 Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I also think NA$CAR dropped the ball on this one...whether Brad "had it coming' or not is pretty irrelavant I think. By looking the other way, I think they have opened the door for more on track stunts like this one.....Racing is racing, bumping, shoving etc is great to see, but putting someone into wall intentionally going that fast is not acceptable in my eyes. And you can whine all you want about "well he didnt mean to flip him"....remember Dale Sr's wreck that took his life..?? it didnt really look like much, but it sure did have a big outcome.....A car doesnt have to flip or be crushed to pieces for someone to get hurt. After the race is the time for whining between drivers....face to face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I also think NA$CAR dropped the ball on this one...whether Brad "had it coming' or not is pretty irrelavant I think. By looking the other way, I think they have opened the door for more on track stunts like this one.....Racing is racing, bumping, shoving etc is great to see, but putting someone into wall intentionally going that fast is not acceptable in my eyes. And you can whine all you want about "well he didnt mean to flip him"....remember Dale Sr's wreck that took his life..?? it didnt really look like much, but it sure did have a big outcome.....A car doesnt have to flip or be crushed to pieces for someone to get hurt. After the race is the time for whining between drivers....face to face. They coulddnt have dropped the ball when they never had it.... they gave the ball up when thye said we'll let them police themselves. In Dale Sr's wreck he didnt have as much protection as they do today, but that dosent mean it cant happen. What I dont understand is how this has been going on for YEARS and YEARS but yet when Carl did it this time he should be suspended? If its the wing's fault for the car flipping then you cant blame the car flipping on Carl, thats a problem with the cars themselves. Anyone can be flipped up in the air if they get turned around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I will tell you who is happy about this. Kyle Busch. He just got a free pass to wreck whoever he pleases and not have to worry about any consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I will tell you who is happy about this. Kyle Busch. He just got a free pass to wreck whoever he pleases and not have to worry about any consequences. thats the truth, they shouldnt have just came out and said have at it, they should have allowed some more rubbing and bump drafting tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 They coulddnt have dropped the ball when they never had it.... they gave the ball up when thye said we'll let them police themselves. In Dale Sr's wreck he didnt have as much protection as they do today, but that dosent mean it cant happen. What I dont understand is how this has been going on for YEARS and YEARS but yet when Carl did it this time he should be suspended? If its the wing's fault for the car flipping then you cant blame the car flipping on Carl, thats a problem with the cars themselves. Anyone can be flipped up in the air if they get turned around. The drivers are aware of this. They know the wing is a problem. Carl says he didn't intend to flip Brad's car. He knows full well with that stupid wing on there it can and did happen. What would be the difference if you did this on the freeway? If you ended up killing someone, would everybody say "Oh, it was just driving". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 The drivers are aware of this. They know the wing is a problem. Carl says he didn't intend to flip Brad's car. He knows full well with that stupid wing on there it can and did happen. What would be the difference if you did this on the freeway? If you ended up killing someone, would everybody say "Oh, it was just driving". Well Im guessing the difference would be that that is NASCAR on a TRACK in a SAFE vehicle...... That is an absolute rediculous arguement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 The punishment is justifiable in my opinion. Drivers wreck each other all the time. Dale Sr. was the KING of doing it. Rub me once ok....rub me twice and I'm putting your ass in the wall was his motto. Unless of course your were Jeff Gordon, then you were going no matter what. It coulda been bad, but so could alot of other intentional wrecks. I was a Texas, when Kavipil kvpail, or whatever his name was came clear across the track and wrecked Jaun Pablo at 190. Where was everyone crying about intentional wrecks then? I know nothing was said in here. Brad is an arrogant you know what, alot like Kyle Busch without the talent. Have you not noticed a trend with him....he WRECKS every race and its usually his fault. He had a racing accident where he flipped carl last year. He has bumped him several other times.....including once before he wrecked carl and lagano. He had it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Well Im guessing the difference would be that that is NASCAR on a TRACK in a SAFE vehicle...... That is an absolute rediculous arguement. Does a track make that much difference? Hurt is hurt and dead is dead. Regardless of the outcome for the drivers the spectators were at risk also. Ridiculous? I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 perhaps they should wear skirts instead of drivers suits too. The freeway argument is weak. You could say the same thing about MMA, Boxing. Fighting is illegal on the streets, but not in a sanctioned ring. Just as racing isn't on a track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Guess you are right perhaps they should wear skirts instead of drivers suits too. The freeway argument is weak. You could say the same thing about MMA, Boxing. Fighting is illegal on the streets, but not in a sanctioned ring. Just as racing isn't on a track. Makes sense to me now. Just because you are on a track you have the right to hurt, maim or kill someone. Pretty good thinking. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 perhaps they should wear skirts instead of drivers suits too. The freeway argument is weak. You could say the same thing about MMA, Boxing. Fighting is illegal on the streets, but not in a sanctioned ring. Just as racing isn't on a track. That and last time I checked it wasnt a race for me to get to work or make more money for being first. If I had somebody wreck me by driving stupidly and I had my kid in the car, I would either A wreck them back or B Beat their living brains out, BUT since that wouldnt happen anywhere but a TRACK with safety BARRIERS and hans system, there really isnt a comparison for the freeway arguement :hammer1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Makes sense to me now. Just because you are on a track you have the right to hurt, maim or kill someone. Pretty good thinking. Lynn Who was hurt killed or mamed? We havent said it was smart to wreck him when he did or how he did, were saying he deserved to be wrecked. Nobody deserves to be hurt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Makes sense to me now. Just because you are on a track you have the right to hurt, maim or kill someone. Pretty good thinking. Lynn You do get an A+ for putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say in my posts it was anyones right to do any of those things. My point was countering your point on how it is illegal. It's not illegal due to the competition going on. Let me break this down and draw it out to make it a little easier for you to grasp..... You and I are at wal-mart. I don't like that you stole my parking spot, proceed to confront you and hit you in the face. That would be illegal. You and I are both trained cage fighters at a sanctioned fight. We enter the ring and begin punching each other silly. Not Illegal. You and I are on I-70 and you go to pass me, I don't like it and ram into you causing you to wreck. That would be illegal. You and I are at Texas Motor Speedway and you go to pass me, I don't like the way you've pushed me around the track and I ram you. That would not be illegal. Again my point is your point about the freeway is totally pointless in this argument because it was done in a competition where wrecking, spinouts, attitudes happen. Like I posted before, Dale Sr. was known as the Intimidator for doing EXACTLY what Carl did. He was a hero for it, and YES he caused some almost DEADLY accidents. Carl flips Brad and now lets all blast on Carl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Thats what I cant figure out is how this has happened hundreds of times before but Carl did it and he's a bad guy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 It is the way it is because Carl has the jewels to say he did it on purpose. He doesn't dodge the fact, and people don't know what to think of his boldness. If he was chickenpoop and said it just ran up the track, or just snapped around on me and I got caught up with Brad it wouldn't be an issue. But Carl tells it like it is. On a side note, I'd love to see him and Brad behind the garage. Brad would get his cocky butt handed to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 It is the way it is because Carl has the jewels to say he did it on purpose. He doesn't dodge the fact, and people don't know what to think of his boldness. If he was chickenpoop and said it just ran up the track, or just snapped around on me and I got caught up with Brad it wouldn't be an issue. But Carl tells it like it is. On a side note, I'd love to see him and Brad behind the garage. Brad would get his cocky butt handed to him. It would have been hard for him to take that stance with the cameras showing what they showed. You keep bringing up Earnhardt, how many times did he wreck a guy going down the straightaway at 185 mph? I would bet the majority of his were not like that. Still pretty stupid and cowardly of Carl to do it the way he did. If he was really upset, he should have done what Spencer did, with his helment off, of course. Face it, no matter how you look at it, you know what he did was wrong. He is just lucky he didn't get someone seriously hurt or killed. And I am not talking about Brad, he had all the protection in the world. The fans didn't. And that is where Carl knowing almost put Brad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 It is the way it is because Carl has the jewels to say he did it on purpose. He doesn't dodge the fact, and people don't know what to think of his boldness. If he was chickenpoop and said it just ran up the track, or just snapped around on me and I got caught up with Brad it wouldn't be an issue. But Carl tells it like it is. On a side note, I'd love to see him and Brad behind the garage. Brad would get his cocky butt handed to him. :argue::flex::boxing::fish::hammer2:..... Here's to hoping for some more fireworks at Bristol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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